Is James Wiseman becoming the next Greg Oden?

[wfiles]

The last time he played a game was last April. Now there are reports of a setback and no timetable for his return. Warriors really messed up by not taking LaMelo Ball.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Oden was projected to be so much better than Wiseman ever was. Wiseman was really bad last year but the jury is still out on what he'll become

[amcoolio]

He was always a big project, especially on defense. Regardless we don't need this thread every few weeks

Also Oden was incredibly good when he was healthy, like Mobley is now. Wiseman doesn't have that defensive awareness or quickness.

[Mr Puddles]

Oden was way more highly touted than Wiseman. Outside of Lebron probably the most hyped-up prospect in the past quarter-century.

Also, let's also remember that Embiid was anointed the next Greg Oden not too long ago, and he's been in the MVP conversation for the past couple of seasons.

[HardenandWilt]

Show of hands of people who don’t even think wiseman is actually injured?

Me: (raises hand)

[BostonCouchGM]

Oden was projected to be so much better than Wiseman ever was. Wiseman was really bad last year but the jury is still out on what he'll become

rEalLy bAd lAsT yEar

12-6 32% from three as a 7 foot 19 y/o rookie that played sporadically. 52% FG

I know I shouldn't bother with people like this but I can't help myself.

To answer OP. It was expected it would take until near the break for Wiseman to begin playing. He's slightly behind schedule. I am concerned though. I think they're just being super cautious with him which is understandable. I figured he's be back by now. I think he'll play in the 2nd half of the season whether it's for the Warriors or after the trade. I give centers 3-4 years to get their feet under them as it takes longer for bigs to develop. He has immense talent and very high upside. And no Oden wasn't "so much better than Wiseman ever was" lmao. Wiseman had similar (better) numbers in limited time in college than Oden did.

Wiseman-20-11 with 3 blocks
Oden-16-10 with 3 blocks

I love when people quite literally don't know what they're talking about but talk with so much certainty lol

[BostonCouchGM]

Oden was way more highly touted than Wiseman. Outside of Lebron probably the most hyped-up prospect in the past quarter-century.

Also, let's also remember that Embiid was anointed the next Greg Oden not too long ago, and he's been in the MVP conversation for the past couple of seasons.

another poster literally making crap up. No he was not. In fact many were surprised as hell he was taken over KD. I love all the revisionist history. 16-10 with 3 blocks people. He wasn't "generational" or any other such nonsense. Too funny

[MrBigShot]

Oden was way more highly touted than Wiseman. Outside of Lebron probably the most hyped-up prospect in the past quarter-century.

Also, let's also remember that Embiid was anointed the next Greg Oden not too long ago, and he's been in the MVP conversation for the past couple of seasons.

another poster literally making crap up. No he was not. In fact many were surprised as hell he was taken over KD. I love all the revisionist history. 16-10 with 3 blocks people. He wasn't "generational" or any other such nonsense. Too funny

Meh raw college stats are not indicative of how good a player can become. Oden had all the makings of 20/10+ guy that wins multiple DPOYs. Generational might be a bit much but he was expected to be great.

[Ballerhogger]

He’s a bust . But he wasn’t ever close to odens hype or potential

[ROballer]

Show of hands of people who don’t even think wiseman is actually injured?

Me: (raises hand)

He's not.

The Warriors are clearly shutting him down on purpose to either:

A) Not destroy his confidence. This guy was baaad last year and this years team is not only way more stacked, but contending.
Kerr is not experimenting anything. He's giving him the Kuminga/Moody treatment if he had to play him.
He's not sniffing more than 10 mpg in any circumstance with lots of DNP's in close games. That for a #2 pick can be career threatening mentally.

B) To preserve any semblance of a trade value should they choose to pull the trigger. Because if he did play and the point A) would be on board, his value takes a tremendous hit. It's already lower than it was, but they can at least maintain an "aura" with him not playing and maybe suckering a team to bite on something.

It's a meniscus tear for Pete's sake. It's approaching ACL tear timetable for a return.
Everybody with a brain should see what's going on here.

[Raptors Realtor]

I don't really get why people call Oden a bust... When healthy he was a defensive beast & could muscle his way to the rim almost at will. His only flaw, was his body let him down, but that was completely out of his control... Had his body held up he would have undoubtedly been an all star & made the all defensive team multiple times.

When I think of busts, I think of guys who had a lot of hype heading into the nba, and then just never put things together because of skill, drive, bball iq and/or heart.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Oden was projected to be so much better than Wiseman ever was. Wiseman was really bad last year but the jury is still out on what he'll become

rEalLy bAd lAsT yEar

12-6 32% from three as a 7 foot 19 y/o rookie that played sporadically. 52% FG

I know I shouldn't bother with people like this but I can't help myself.

To answer OP. It was expected it would take until near the break for Wiseman to begin playing. He's slightly behind schedule. I am concerned though. I think they're just being super cautious with him which is understandable. I figured he's be back by now. I think he'll play in the 2nd half of the season whether it's for the Warriors or after the trade. I give centers 3-4 years to get their feet under them as it takes longer for bigs to develop. He has immense talent and very high upside. And no Oden wasn't "so much better than Wiseman ever was" lmao. Wiseman had similar (better) numbers in limited time in college than Oden did.

Wiseman-20-11 with 3 blocks
Oden-16-10 with 3 blocks

I love when people quite literally don't know what they're talking about but talk with so much certainty lol

Then next time don't bother, Bucko, and that way I won't have to call the authorities

P.S. Wiseman's rookie year stunk to high heaven

[art_tatum]

IMO it’ll be a mistake for the warriors to hold him out just bc they don’t wanna rock the boat.
If they integrate him they will be far better off in the playoffs with him getting some mins against certain bigs like ayton. He brings something they lack with looney. Size length and athleticism. A McGee role with better defense hopefully.
But hi nets will take him off the warriors hands. Dreaming of a 3 long athletic 7 footer frontcourt with harden and kyrie.

[xdrta+]

This thread is too funny. He's a bust....he's not injured....GS is shutting him down for ...reasons.

[yoyoboy]

Oden was projected to be so much better than Wiseman ever was. Wiseman was really bad last year but the jury is still out on what he'll become

rEalLy bAd lAsT yEar

12-6 32% from three as a 7 foot 19 y/o rookie that played sporadically. 52% FG

I know I shouldn't bother with people like this but I can't help myself.

To answer OP. It was expected it would take until near the break for Wiseman to begin playing. He's slightly behind schedule. I am concerned though. I think they're just being super cautious with him which is understandable. I figured he's be back by now. I think he'll play in the 2nd half of the season whether it's for the Warriors or after the trade. I give centers 3-4 years to get their feet under them as it takes longer for bigs to develop. He has immense talent and very high upside. And no Oden wasn't "so much better than Wiseman ever was" lmao. Wiseman had similar (better) numbers in limited time in college than Oden did.

Wiseman-20-11 with 3 blocks
Oden-16-10 with 3 blocks

I love when people quite literally don't know what they're talking about but talk with so much certainty lol

How ironic you accuse people of not knowing what they're talking about considering you're bringing up Wiseman's college stats based on a whole 3 game sample size while Oden as just a freshman was the driving force behind an OSU team that went to the national championship game.

[brutalitops]

Oden was way more highly touted than Wiseman. Outside of Lebron probably the most hyped-up prospect in the past quarter-century.

Also, let's also remember that Embiid was anointed the next Greg Oden not too long ago, and he's been in the MVP conversation for the past couple of seasons.

another poster literally making crap up. No he was not. In fact many were surprised as hell he was taken over KD. I love all the revisionist history. 16-10 with 3 blocks people. He wasn't "generational" or any other such nonsense. Too funny

Uh, No

Go to as many mock drafts in 2007 as possible and Oden was on top for most. Oden was an amazing prospect and was absolutely hyped up

[amcoolio]

Yeah, Oden was I'd say 85-90% as hyped as LeBron. Dude was ridiculous and hitting FT's one handed in college when he hurt his wrist. Most everybody had him as the easy #1 pick, but Durant was recognized as 1B as another can't miss project. Source: here, I was here on RealGM during that draft

[BigGargamel]

Oden was way more highly touted than Wiseman. Outside of Lebron probably the most hyped-up prospect in the past quarter-century.

Also, let's also remember that Embiid was anointed the next Greg Oden not too long ago, and he's been in the MVP conversation for the past couple of seasons.

another poster literally making crap up. No he was not. In fact many were surprised as hell he was taken over KD. I love all the revisionist history. 16-10 with 3 blocks people. He wasn't "generational" or any other such nonsense. Too funny

Huh? He was absolutely the consensus number one overall pick that year. No one batted an eye when he was taken over Durant, even though he was injured in college.

Like..it's not "revisionist history" at all. It's a fact that he was hyped up second only to LeBron in the 00's. In fact, only college Zion was more hyped than Oden.

[BigGargamel]

Just do a random google search and you can find dozens of 2007 and past/retrospective articles on why Oden was chosen above Durant.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/greg-oden/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1188523-remembering-why-the-portland-trail-blazers-chose-greg-oden-over-kevin-durant

Oden was a stud of a prospect. His body/the Portland medical staff just betrayed him unfortunately. It happens.

[Slim Charlez]

Oden was way more highly touted than Wiseman. Outside of Lebron probably the most hyped-up prospect in the past quarter-century.

Also, let's also remember that Embiid was anointed the next Greg Oden not too long ago, and he's been in the MVP conversation for the past couple of seasons.

another poster literally making crap up. No he was not. In fact many were surprised as hell he was taken over KD. I love all the revisionist history. 16-10 with 3 blocks people. He wasn't "generational" or any other such nonsense. Too funny

WTH are you talking about. Oden was hyped since high school and was deemed a generational talent coming into the draft even more so after his performance against Florida. He probably shouldn't have been taken over Durant regardless but he was on another level to Wiseman. He had great hands and his defense was again on another stratosphere compared to Wiseman. I'm guessing you were too young to remember but hardly anyone was surprised he went first overall.