strummer wrote:K-DOT wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:It's time for the Knicks to trade Randle and see what they have in Obi.
I don't think he will ever fit with Mitch, but who cares. Worst-case scenario, you know who's worth building around/with more than the other, and you can adjust expectations if not tweak the roster accordingly.
I (and others) was always told that Frank didn't get a fair chance. That RJ isn't in the best environment to thrive right now. That was all BS. Those were excuses.
Want to know who never got a fair chance? Obi, although he's also responsible for his own shortcomings (most notably his 3-point shooting). But he's the one draft prospect who was set up to fail. None of the other guys were.
I like how you acknowledge you're doing the same thing you complain about others doing, but then say your complaints are valid while all others are bs lol
It's just cause you're sympathetic to Obi and not to any of the other guys that you think it's valid to say he never got a fair chance and isn't being set up for success while everyone else was
If you didn't like him, you'd be saying he is being given chances, but he's not good enough so it's justified to move on from him.
When looking at actual on court time, he has a valid point.
Frank's first three years he averaged over 20 minutes per game every season.
RJ has started 171 of 172 games in his first three years, averaging over 30 minutes.
Even Knox started 57 games his first year, averaging 28.8 minutes a game.
Obi received 11 minutes/game year 1 and is now at 15.8. Most fans clamoring for more Obi, would be thrilled if he were receiving the playing time Frank, RJ or Knox got as rookies.
It's not just about playing time, though
Frank got 20 mpg, but the GM who took him was fired the next day and replaced with someone who didn't want him. I'm not saying he would've been good if we kept Phil, but that didn't help, and the fact is, watching the games, he wasn't given much leeway to make mistakes, which combined with his natural tendency to play timid, limited his ability to grow
RJ and Knox got minutes, but that's not all there is to it. Chanel is claiming that RJ is in the best environment to succeed right now, and that's just blatantly untrue. He's clearly better when not playing with Randle and being allowed to handle the ball, but he's played almost exclusively next to Randle and is being relegated to more of a spot-up role most of the time. That's not helping him grow
And Knox has the opposite problem Frank did, he got too many minutes. He needed to be coached tough, to be pulled when he made a mistake so he learned not to make them, instead of given free reign to reinforce his bad habits
Obi's being set up to fail, too. I'm just pointing out that it's funny when people say "I'm saying the same things, but when everyone else says them, it's bs but mine are totally valid".
but i agree Langford is Tatum 2.0.
