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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#781 » by JBreezeNY » Tue Feb 1, 2022 12:25 am

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Lakers, Kings, or Portland may be our only hope to move Randle.

Kings our best shot.

He can be Chris Webber for them, get his stats in a small market & no show when it counts.

Crazy thing too is I could see him fit with Dallas as well :lol:

But obviously that won’t happen.
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#782 » by Marty McFly » Tue Feb 1, 2022 8:09 am

Randle put up 24/10/6 won MIP and was top ten in MVP voting. he's 27 years old.

He's putting up 18/9/5 this year, whilst having a bad shooting year.

taking two less field goals a game, scoring two less field goals a game. making one less three pointer than last year.

Anyone who doesn't think he has value isn't thinking clearly. does him being a basket case lower his value? sure. that doesn't mean he doesn't have value.

he needs a change of scenery.
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#783 » by HopelessKnick » Tue Feb 1, 2022 12:27 pm

Marty McFly wrote:Randle put up 24/10/6 won MIP and was top ten in MVP voting. he's 27 years old.

He's putting up 18/9/5 this year, whilst having a bad shooting year.

taking two less field goals a game, scoring two less field goals a game. making one less three pointer than last year.

Anyone who doesn't think he has value isn't thinking clearly. does him being a basket case lower his value? sure. that doesn't mean he doesn't have value.

he needs a change of scenery.


I absolutely agree that he does have value around the league. His career average shooting % is also aronud 47%---as much as last year has been an aberration ,this season is as well. He'll probably be shooting 45% and 35% next season whereever he may end up. We will get some ok assets back if we trade him I believe. Especially small market teams who can't sign free agents will be ok with his contract as well. My motive for wanting to trade all the vets is not because none can play and all suck at basketball, but rather because the combinatin with Thibs playing veterans and trying to win further games will be a bad direction for this franchise at this point. That's why I'm also willing to give up Randle for even less than his current diminishing market value---not because I think he'll ever have a good season again.
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#784 » by snadler » Tue Feb 1, 2022 1:21 pm

Marty McFly wrote:Randle put up 24/10/6 won MIP and was top ten in MVP voting. he's 27 years old.

He's putting up 18/9/5 this year, whilst having a bad shooting year.

taking two less field goals a game, scoring two less field goals a game. making one less three pointer than last year.

Anyone who doesn't think he has value isn't thinking clearly. does him being a basket case lower his value? sure. that doesn't mean he doesn't have value.

he needs a change of scenery.


Here’s the biggest issue, Randle at this years salary tradeable, next years 28 million for the next 4, makes him untradeable..because you not only need a team to want him but also pay that 113 million which is unlikely unless another team wants to dump their high priced underachieving player, hence Fox and maybe Only a few others fit that which means he’s very very unlikely to be moved
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#785 » by HerSports85 » Tue Feb 1, 2022 1:57 pm

Wait does Randle have a trade kicker on this current salary or the upcoming season??
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#786 » by WargamesX » Tue Feb 1, 2022 2:23 pm

snadler wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:Randle put up 24/10/6 won MIP and was top ten in MVP voting. he's 27 years old.

He's putting up 18/9/5 this year, whilst having a bad shooting year.

taking two less field goals a game, scoring two less field goals a game. making one less three pointer than last year.

Anyone who doesn't think he has value isn't thinking clearly. does him being a basket case lower his value? sure. that doesn't mean he doesn't have value.

he needs a change of scenery.


Here’s the biggest issue, Randle at this years salary tradeable, next years 28 million for the next 4, makes him untradeable..because you not only need a team to want him but also pay that 113 million which is unlikely unless another team wants to dump their high priced underachieving player, hence Fox and maybe Only a few others fit that which means he’s very very unlikely to be moved

That’s not how his salary works it starts at $23 Mil and goes up to $29 Mil. The average year is not the real amount which means he is still tradeable a year later at 23. It’s not until the last two years that the salary is near 28 Mil a year.
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#787 » by snadler » Tue Feb 1, 2022 2:41 pm

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Marty McFly wrote:Randle put up 24/10/6 won MIP and was top ten in MVP voting. he's 27 years old.

He's putting up 18/9/5 this year, whilst having a bad shooting year.

taking two less field goals a game, scoring two less field goals a game. making one less three pointer than last year.

Anyone who doesn't think he has value isn't thinking clearly. does him being a basket case lower his value? sure. that doesn't mean he doesn't have value.

he needs a change of scenery.


Here’s the biggest issue, Randle at this years salary tradeable, next years 28 million for the next 4, makes him untradeable..because you not only need a team to want him but also pay that 113 million which is unlikely unless another team wants to dump their high priced underachieving player, hence Fox and maybe Only a few others fit that which means he’s very very unlikely to be moved

That’s not how his salary works it starts at $23 Mil and goes up to $29 Mil. The average year is not the real amount which means he is still tradeable a year later at 23. It’s not until the last two years that the salary is near 28 Mil a year.


It’s 113 over the next 4..so the question is, if Randle was a free agent this summer how many teams would be willing to play him 4-113.. not many at that price coming of this season
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#788 » by WargamesX » Tue Feb 1, 2022 3:01 pm

snadler wrote:
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Here’s the biggest issue, Randle at this years salary tradeable, next years 28 million for the next 4, makes him untradeable..because you not only need a team to want him but also pay that 113 million which is unlikely unless another team wants to dump their high priced underachieving player, hence Fox and maybe Only a few others fit that which means he’s very very unlikely to be moved

That’s not how his salary works it starts at $23 Mil and goes up to $29 Mil. The average year is not the real amount which means he is still tradeable a year later at 23. It’s not until the last two years that the salary is near 28 Mil a year.


It’s 113 over the next 4..so the question is, if Randle was a free agent this summer how many teams would be willing to play him 4-113.. not many at that price coming of this season


I think a couple would. The Kings and the Wizards have nothing to lose :dontknow:
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#789 » by HerSports85 » Tue Feb 1, 2022 5:06 pm

Randle talk starts at 6:14

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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#790 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Feb 1, 2022 5:15 pm

4 Mo Days

until this guy can get shipped out

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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#791 » by HerSports85 » Tue Feb 1, 2022 5:21 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:4 Mo Days

until this guy can get shipped out

Wake Up Leon!


I thought it was Feb. 3rd.
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#792 » by Spree2Houston » Tue Feb 1, 2022 5:22 pm

If Randle doesn't play tomorrow night, then he's probably being traded on Saturday.
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#793 » by delvec19 » Tue Feb 1, 2022 5:34 pm

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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#794 » by Stannis » Tue Feb 1, 2022 5:46 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:4 Mo Days

until this guy can get shipped out

Wake Up Leon!

Goodbye assets.

Seems like everyone around the league is viewing Randle as a blackhole with negative value.

The times they are a changin... Maybe back in 2008 Knicks could have traded Randle easily. But with all the tools, analytics, and even social media, it's obvious Randle is a negative net value.

Knicks will never learn lol. Amar'e should've been fresh on Dolan's mind. And that's the vibe I got with Randle. I know he's healthier, but he's still a numbers guy that requires too many role players and defenders to make him for his lack of leadership and defense.
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#795 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Feb 1, 2022 5:46 pm

HerSports85 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:4 Mo Days

until this guy can get shipped out

Wake Up Leon!


I thought it was Feb. 3rd.


Woo!
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#796 » by Stannis » Tue Feb 1, 2022 5:52 pm

Marty McFly wrote:Randle put up 24/10/6 won MIP and was top ten in MVP voting. he's 27 years old.

He's putting up 18/9/5 this year, whilst having a bad shooting year.

taking two less field goals a game, scoring two less field goals a game. making one less three pointer than last year.

Anyone who doesn't think he has value isn't thinking clearly. does him being a basket case lower his value? sure. that doesn't mean he doesn't have value.

he needs a change of scenery.

That was last year in his contract year.

What he's shown this year is that he can't make anyone around him better. And his contract is awful. Nobody wants to pay that. He's paid like a #1 man but he's likely the third option on a top team and that's being generous because he'd break any of those teams if he's playing over 30 MPG.

And you can't write off his reduced stat line to a "bad shooting year". That's kinda a big deal. Many times, you don't get it back.

If anything, you'd think his efficiency and shot selection would be better now that he isn't forced to shoot more.
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#797 » by fatalogic » Tue Feb 1, 2022 5:58 pm

Stannis wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:4 Mo Days

until this guy can get shipped out

Wake Up Leon!

Goodbye assets.

Seems like everyone around the league is viewing Randle as a blackhole with negative value.

The times they are a changin... Maybe back in 2008 Knicks could have traded Randle easily. But with all the tools, analytics, and even social media, it's obvious Randle is a negative net value.

Knicks will never learn lol. Amar'e should've been fresh on Dolan's mind. And that's the vibe I got with Randle. I know he's healthier, but he's still a numbers guy that requires too many role players and defenders to make him for his lack of leadership and defense.


....Literally above your post is Brian Windhorst explaining why Randle has value. Randle at his career averages is worth his contract, if he plays like he did last year it's a value contract. When locked in he can defend multiple positions for spurts. All of that is worth a lot more than most fans give him credit for. I still think he may need a change in scenery but they not going to get fleeced in a trade. This FO also has been pretty good in trades so far.
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Re: Randle Trade Talk 

Post#798 » by Stannis » Tue Feb 1, 2022 6:22 pm

fatalogic wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:4 Mo Days

until this guy can get shipped out

Wake Up Leon!

Goodbye assets.

Seems like everyone around the league is viewing Randle as a blackhole with negative value.

The times they are a changin... Maybe back in 2008 Knicks could have traded Randle easily. But with all the tools, analytics, and even social media, it's obvious Randle is a negative net value.

Knicks will never learn lol. Amar'e should've been fresh on Dolan's mind. And that's the vibe I got with Randle. I know he's healthier, but he's still a numbers guy that requires too many role players and defenders to make him for his lack of leadership and defense.


....Literally above your post is Brian Windhorst explaining why Randle has value. Randle at his career averages is worth his contract, if he plays like he did last year it's a value contract. When locked in he can defend multiple positions for spurts. All of that is worth a lot more than most fans give him credit for. I still think he may need a change in scenery but they not going to get fleeced in a trade. This FO also has been pretty good in trades so far.

If If If. Teams don't bite on ifs as much as they used to.

Knicks aren't going to get fleeced because they won't be able to trade him.
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Post#799 » by F N 11 » Tue Feb 1, 2022 6:26 pm

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Post#800 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Feb 1, 2022 6:37 pm

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Quick post this in the actual rumors thread. We live..


That concept has been broached. What did he say after that? Why does it cut off there?
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