K-DOT wrote:strummer wrote:K-DOT wrote:I like how you acknowledge you're doing the same thing you complain about others doing, but then say your complaints are valid while all others are bs lol
It's just cause you're sympathetic to Obi and not to any of the other guys that you think it's valid to say he never got a fair chance and isn't being set up for success while everyone else was
If you didn't like him, you'd be saying he is being given chances, but he's not good enough so it's justified to move on from him.
When looking at actual on court time, he has a valid point.
Frank's first three years he averaged over 20 minutes per game every season.
RJ has started 171 of 172 games in his first three years, averaging over 30 minutes.
Even Knox started 57 games his first year, averaging 28.8 minutes a game.
Obi received 11 minutes/game year 1 and is now at 15.8. Most fans clamoring for more Obi, would be thrilled if he were receiving the playing time Frank, RJ or Knox got as rookies.
It's not just about playing time, though
Frank got 20 mpg, but the GM who took him was fired the next day and replaced with someone who didn't want him. I'm not saying he would've been good if we kept Phil, but that didn't help, and the fact is, watching the games, he wasn't given much leeway to make mistakes, which combined with his natural tendency to play timid, limited his ability to grow
RJ and Knox got minutes, but that's not all there is to it. Chanel is claiming that RJ is in the best environment to succeed right now, and that's just blatantly untrue. He's clearly better when not playing with Randle and being allowed to handle the ball, but he's played almost exclusively next to Randle and is being relegated to more of a spot-up role most of the time. That's not helping him grow
And Knox has the opposite problem Frank did, he got too many minutes. He needed to be coached tough, to be pulled when he made a mistake so he learned not to make them, instead of given free reign to reinforce his bad habits
Obi's being set up to fail, too. I'm just pointing out that it's funny when people say "I'm saying the same things, but when everyone else says them, it's bs but mine are totally valid".
Frank was not an NBA-caliber player here. He played timid because he didn't know what to do with the basketball. No feel for the game, no aggressiveness, no ability to create anything. Yet he wanted to be a point guard. The coaches first tried to play him at point guard. Then as a wing. On-ball. Off-ball. None of it worked, because he didn't have NBA talent. But he averaged 5 points per game in the French league before coming to the NBA, so what did you expect? Maybe it's time to look at your own expectations instead of blaming the organization for their supposed mismanagement of an obvious bust.
RJ again is second on the team in usage and field goal attempts per game. He's getting his fair share of opportunities on the ball. In fact, his inefficiency would suggest that the Knicks would be better if he took fewer shots. This notion that RJ is simply being held back by Randle (a player I don't like myself), as if young players aren't supposed to share the wealth as part of their development, is really simplistic to me.
RJ is better without Randle because those minutes come mostly against opposing bench units, playing with bench players. As we know, the Knicks' success the past two seasons has been driven by our bench. And we can also find line-ups with Randle and bench players that have positive net ratings too.
RJ developing in a spot-up role has helped him grow, because that's arguably the only role in which he's developed as an efficient scorer. That should be viewed as a blessing more than anything, since worst-case scenario he can be used as a dependable spot-up shooter.
While I agree that Knox wasn't held accountable his rookie season, I highly doubt that was the reason he's not a good NBA player today. But sure, I agree he wasn't developed properly. He wasn't exactly held back like Obi is however.
Regarding the last sentence, I don't even know what it means. I believe that some players can be held back or set up to fail by their organizations. I just do not think it was the case for Frank or RJ. I do believe it is true to some extent with Obi. Spare me your gross exaggeration and caricature of my point. It's called disagreement.
