Arch-type rebuild - What would you do?

[bkohler]

I've been thinking about how you build a team around at Gobert/Mitchell pairing and we've obviously seen a few different versions and seen what has worked and obviously some flaws and it has me thinking - If you were building a team around these two what types of players would you put in each rotation spot. This isn't talking about specific players just the type of players that they are. For instance:

| Position | Arch-Type

| PG | Tall 3&D PG |
| SG | Mitchell |
| SF | 3&D |
| PF | Playmaking Stretch 4
| C | Gobert |
| 6 | Play making wing
| 7 | 3&D |
| 8 | Hustle Guy
| 9 | Microwave scorer
| 10 | Minimum PG
| 11 | Minimum C
| 12 | Young Shooter
| 13 | Young Athlete
| 14 | Vet Leader
| 15 | Chemistry guy

I'd go with this team make up because I think to maximize what Gobert does you need shooting to open up the lane for his pick and
roll game and you need to make sure you have height in other areas if you're playing Donovan at the 2.

I don't expect anyone to agree with this team make up, I'm just curious what yours would be?

[babyjax13]

I'd do it a little differently:

| PG | Mitchell
| SG | Big defender who moves the ball (Derrick White would be ideal, but think guys like Smart, Hart, and O'neale, as well)
| SF | 3&D, preferably someone with more length than Royce
| PF | 3&D, preferably someone with more length than Royce, would be nice if they were a plus passer/shooter (PJ Washington?)
| C | Gobert |
| 6 | 3/4 who hits threes and rebounds, I think this is a good spot for Royce, or Eric if he keeps developing
| 7 | 3&D 2/3, someone like Danny Green is now, Royce probably fits this, too - he's such a versatile player|
| 8 | True point guard, preferably someone w/a bit of size, but someone heady is the main thing (I love Tyus Jones)
| 9 | elite shooter, preferably multi-position player (someone like Duncan Robinson, Davis Bertans, etc.)

Don't care too much about the rest.

[Inigo Montoya]

I don't see the point of trying to build a team around Mitchell and Gobert --we've tried various paths and none worked well enough. It's time the Jazz built a more 'modern' team that doesn't rely on a guy like Gobert, who is an excellent defender but isn't really a fit for the modern game. He's worth more to the Jazz than to any other team in the league, but in the playoffs teams have managed to neutralize him by playing smaller lineups. Not his fault, doesn't make him a bad player, but the game is moving away from players in his mold who are very limited offensively and can be exploited defensively by smaller, quicker players who can both put the ball on the floor and also shoot from distance. A guy like Gobert is very valuable, but he can't be the highest paid player on your team, taking so much cap space.

Yes, we suck without him, but that is primarily on the coach--who, for several seasons now, can't put together a half-decent defense when Gobert is off the floor- and the front office--who put the roster together. It's time to get what we can for Gobert, who is 29 and will be around 33 by the time him contract ends, and who will probably show declining abilities by then. Build a team around a younger Mitchell with athletic forwards, guards and wings, who can switch and defend multiple positions. It's probably a not very popular take, I know.

[bkohler]

I don't entirely disagree but I think you've also highlighted the reason that a DM/RG core is the path most likely going forward for the next two - three years. Gobert isn't worth as much to other teams as the Jazz and thus the trade compensation coming back is probably so undesirable that you stick with what you've got.

I think you need to take swings at players during this 2/3 year window that work with the core but also will be there beyond the 'Gobert' timeline. Perhaps at the end of his contract his signs for a more reasonable rate but it is really hard to make the economics work in the NBA with your center being your highest paid player.

I would think acquiring anyone for a multi-year non minimum deal that is over 27 should be out of the question.

[bkohler]

I'd do it a little differently:

| PG | Mitchell
| SG | Big defender who moves the ball (Derrick White would be ideal, but think guys like Smart, Hart, and O'neale, as well)
| SF | 3&D, preferably someone with more length than Royce
| PF | 3&D, preferably someone with more length than Royce, would be nice if they were a plus passer/shooter (PJ Washington?)
| C | Gobert |
| 6 | 3/4 who hits threes and rebounds, I think this is a good spot for Royce, or Eric if he keeps developing
| 7 | 3&D 2/3, someone like Danny Green is now, Royce probably fits this, too - he's such a versatile player|
| 8 | True point guard, preferably someone w/a bit of size, but someone heady is the main thing (I love Tyus Jones)
| 9 | elite shooter, preferably multi-position player (someone like Duncan Robinson, Davis Bertans, etc.)

Don't care too much about the rest.

I've thought a bunch about Mitchell at the 1 and that might be the route you need to go, I just worry that the SG who moves the ball might be a harder thing to find than a complimentary large PG to go next to DM. I've got no real issue with your team make up besides the fact I think that many 3&D players might be hard to find, especially starter quality.

[Inigo Montoya]

I don't entirely disagree but I think you've also highlighted the reason that a DM/RG core is the path most likely going forward for the next two - three years. Gobert isn't worth as much to other teams as the Jazz and thus the trade compensation coming back is probably so undesirable that you stick with what you've got.

I think you need to take swings at players during this 2/3 year window that work with the core but also will be there beyond the 'Gobert' timeline. Perhaps at the end of his contract his signs for a more reasonable rate but it is really hard to make the economics work in the NBA with your center being your highest paid player.

I would think acquiring anyone for a multi-year non minimum deal that is over 27 should be out of the question.

If we still had Lindsey as GM/president or whatever his position was, I'd expect the Jazz to continue to ride this core until Conley's deal ends and then maybe do something. But with a new owner and with Ainge on board, I think there is a possibility the Jazz blow it up earlier, especially if we disappoint again in the playoffs. Also, we are a very old and asset-depleted team, and the best way to replenish our assets and get some young talent and\or draft picks would be to trade Gobert.

[bkohler]

If we still had Lindsey as GM/president or whatever his position was, I'd expect the Jazz to continue to ride this core until Conley's deal ends and then maybe do something. But with a new owner and with Ainge on board, I think there is a possibility the Jazz blow it up earlier, especially if we disappoint again in the playoffs. Also, we are a very old and asset-depleted team, and the best way to replenish our assets and get some young talent and\or draft picks would be to trade Gobert.

Don't disagree with the sentiment just think that Gobert isn't going to bring in very much at all in a trade. I think the best you could do is get matching salaries that expire sooner + maybe a pick.

[Catchall]

The Jazz need a big wing who can create with the ball in the middle of the floor. Jazz should be looking for that piece and should be willing to trade Clarkson, Bogdanovic, O'Neale and draft capital to find it. Honestly, a trio of Mitchell, Gobert and the All Star version of Gordon Hayward would be well balanced. Then the other guys can be 3D players.

[bkohler]

The Jazz need a big wing who can create with the ball in the middle of the floor. Jazz should be looking for that piece and should be willing to trade Clarkson, Bogdanovic, O'Neale and draft capital to find it. Honestly, a trio of Mitchell, Gobert and the All Star version of Gordon Hayward would be well balanced. Then the other guys can be 3D players.

I’ve often thought that Paul George would be the perfect compliment to M/G core.

[vryadli]

I don't think DM can be center of championship offence. A lot of his betters, starting from Iverson and up to Harden never took team to the ring. If you build around one small almost-pure offensive player ,he has to be level of Curry. And by the the way Jordan and Kobe were great defenders too.

[Catchall]

I don't think DM can be center of championship offence. A lot of his betters, starting from Iverson and up to Harden never took team to the ring. If you build around one small almost-pure offensive player ,he has to be level of Curry. And by the the way Jordan and Kobe were great defenders too.

You're right. Whether it's Allen Iverson, Derrick Rose, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, etc., they needed either an All Star big or All Star wing to go all the way. That includes Dwayne Wade too.

The modern game is just made for the 6'8" versatile wing with ball skills. That player can impact virtually every play. They don't even need to be all that athletic.

[Catchall]

The Jazz need a big wing who can create with the ball in the middle of the floor. Jazz should be looking for that piece and should be willing to trade Clarkson, Bogdanovic, O'Neale and draft capital to find it. Honestly, a trio of Mitchell, Gobert and the All Star version of Gordon Hayward would be well balanced. Then the other guys can be 3D players.

I’ve often thought that Paul George would be the perfect compliment to M/G core.

Yup. The Jazz need a Paul George, vintage Gordon Hayward, Luka Doncic, Cade Cunningham, etc. That's why I might have some fringe interest in Julius Randle, if he can be disciplined enough.

[bkohler]

I don’t have Randle near that tier, plus I think he’s a PF- but someone like randle is probably who they’re going to have to take a chance on. Someone who has under preformed as a 1st scoring option but would be an excellent 3rd option and strong 2nd option.

I wonder amongst the young wings in todays game which of them have the chance to hit the Paul George level - maybe Hunter or Anonoby? You really need to hit on someone like that because we’re not going to be in the lottery to get a Luka or Cade any time soon.

Anyone else that might hit that tier that I’m not thinking of?

[dr0welf]

Randle vs Bogie, I'm not sure you get an overall improvement with Randle. In some ways Randle is a much better player but in other ways Bogie is. I don't think Randle is the answer.