Shams: Pacers Moving toward Rebuild; Receptive to Trade Talks

[pacers33granger]

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Simon won't ever get it. The team isn't good enough to even compete for a playoff spot at this point, yet he still wants to move players for players. Not saying it couldn't work, but the odds are super low that we can just swap players and succeed.

Luckily it seems like we should get a good pick either way.

[Wizop]

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Simon won't ever get it. The team isn't good enough to even compete for a playoff spot at this point, yet he still wants to move players for players. Not saying it couldn't work, but the odds are super low that we can just swap players and succeed.

Luckily it seems like we should get a good pick either way.

Herb has always been largely hands off. He never has wanted to intentionally get worse, but he's no Jerry Jones or Al Davis. He'll listen to KP.

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[Scoot McGroot]

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Simon won't ever get it. The team isn't good enough to even compete for a playoff spot at this point, yet he still wants to move players for players. Not saying it couldn't work, but the odds are super low that we can just swap players and succeed.

Luckily it seems like we should get a good pick either way.

So, to be clear, Kravitz was just repeating what Simon said a month or two ago when he interviewed with the local media. He’s not saying that today.

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[Topofthekey]

Chris Duarte. Isaiah Jackson. Duane Washington. And Terry Taylor apparently

Looks like Pacers did a solid job this draft class

Is this enough to redeem KP from drafting Leaf over Anunoby?

[Wizop]

Chad Ford says in a subscribers only post that he's heard rumors of Sabonis and McConnell for Mitchell, Bagley, Thompson and a FRP top 5 protected. he also says Kings would be better off with Turner if his foot weren't an issue.

[Scoot McGroot]

Chad Ford says in a subscribers only post that he's heard rumors of Sabonis and McConnell for Mitchell, Bagley, Thompson and a FRP top 5 protected. he also says Kings would be better off with Turner if his foot weren't an issue.

That would be tough giving up 2 of our only efficient ball handlers and getting only a lesser efficiency ball handler back.

[Scoot McGroot]

Chris Duarte. Isaiah Jackson. Duane Washington. And Terry Taylor apparently

Looks like Pacers did a solid job this draft class

. Keifer Sykes, too.

Is this enough to redeem KP from drafting Leaf over Anunoby?

Oh, no. There’s no redeeming that. It was a terrible move and it’ll always be on his record. He’s done better every year since, but dang. That was bad. He had 3 guys widely mocked to Indy and he picked the only one that couldn’t make it in the nba, while the other 2 became key starters.

[Tom White]

Chad Ford says in a subscribers only post that he's heard rumors of Sabonis and McConnell for Mitchell, Bagley, Thompson and a FRP top 5 protected. he also says Kings would be better off with Turner if his foot weren't an issue.

From what I can find, the only Kings player of those three who is not an expiring contract is Mitchell. Maybe the others could be flipped to teams looking for future cap relief in exchange for future draft picks + a player with a bit longer contract?

Also, at this point, I would rather send out Turner than Sabonis.

[Tom White]

Keifer Sykes, too.

Sykes didn't get in on the party last night. Is he nursing an injury or something?

The only time I saw him was when he hugged Washington from behind, then did a Lance air guitar thing with his arms still around Wash. That was pretty funny.

I really hope they don't give up any of these younger guys in whatever trade they might come up with. Let's move out whichever of the vets we can, but the young guys could all be part of a fun future with this team.

[Wizop]

Also, at this point, I would rather send out Turner than Sabonis.

me too. I like IJax and Damos as the 4/5 starters.

[Wizop]

That would be tough giving up 2 of our only efficient ball handlers and getting only a lesser efficiency ball handler back.

I'd only do it for Turner as I agree we need Sabonis at point center. I like Mitchell though for his defense on point guards.

[Scoot McGroot]

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[Wizop]

The Cleveland Cavaliers are believed to be offering their 2022 first-round pick (projected to be in the 18-22 range) for the best combo guard they can get

LeVert for an expiring contract and a FRP!!!

[Scoot McGroot]

The Cleveland Cavaliers are believed to be offering their 2022 first-round pick (projected to be in the 18-22 range) for the best combo guard they can get

LeVert for an expiring contract and a FRP!!!

Yeah. Right now they’re at the 24th spot, so Pincus is predicting the Cavs to lose some down the stretch? But the Cavs also have the Spurs and Rockets 2nd round picks in this draft, currently slotted in at 38 and 33, respectively. If we could snag either of those, even if we had to add in a Craig or Justin, it really might be worth it. If we could get that Rockets second at 33, and the Cavs end up at 24, maybe we could move up to around 18-20, and get a lotto pick and a decent non lotto pick, much like we did in this last draft?

[Tom White]

....so Pincus is predicting....

Has Pincus improved any over the years?

I remember a few years ago he used to show up and post nonsense on Pacers Digest. It was always stuff like he "heard it on great authority" that the Pacers were trading "name our best player at the time" to the Lakers for "name their worst player at the time" and that it was a done deal, and the Pacers didn't really have a choice in the matter because....well, you know, it's the Lakers.....and we should be honored they were even speaking to us.

He was a real phony jerk back then. I haven't given anything he says one ounce of attention since then.

[Scoot McGroot]

....so Pincus is predicting....

Has Pincus improved any over the years?

I remember a few years ago he used to show up and post nonsense on Pacers Digest. It was always stuff like he "heard it on great authority" that the Pacers were trading "name our best player at the time" to the Lakers for "name their worst player at the time" and that it was a done deal, and the Pacers didn't really have a choice in the matter because....well, you know, it's the Lakers.....and we should be honored they were even speaking to us.

He was a real phony jerk back then. I haven't given anything he says one ounce of attention since then.

Oh, I have no idea. I didn’t know he showed up there. He’s always been more of a knowledgeable cap guy than an actual news breaker or reporter, though.

[pacers33granger]

LeVert for Rubio and a pick is fine. There would have to be some other moves for us to value Rubio's bird rights more than a possible sign and trade though. I just don't see having both he and McConnell as backups for good money coming off injuries as viable.

I am intrigued by Mitchell, but hate that trade. I know Domas has his warts, but that just seems low.

I'm iffy on 2022 picks at this point as a return in general for us (understanding that we're super unlikely to trade for distant picks). I think we have 3 definite keepers from this rookie class in Duarte, Jackson, and Washington. Carlisle may want to keep Sykes as an emergency 3rd guard who he now has some continuity with. Terry Taylor is probably worth one of the two way slots. We are on track to have a top 10 pick added as is. As of now, we also still have Goga and Oshae as older, but still developmental players.

That said, we could always trade the picks for a player. And injuries clearly happen, so being deep is never an issue. Or maybe we just go with a super young bench. I think we need a solid vet or two mixed in there though and I'm not super confident on trying to develop so many guys.

[Scoot McGroot]

I am intrigued by Mitchell, but hate that trade.

In general, I like Mitchell more as a trade option if Myles is the outgoing. Sure, we wouldn't also get a surefire lotto pick in this upcoming draft along with Mitchell for just Turner, but I'd probably still look to do something like that and hope that by strengthening the perimeter defense, we'll ease the interior burden on Sabonis.

[8305]

I am intrigued by Mitchell, but hate that trade.

In general, I like Mitchell more as a trade option if Myles is the outgoing. Sure, we wouldn't also get a surefire lotto pick in this upcoming draft along with Mitchell for just Turner, but I'd probably still look to do something like that and hope that by strengthening the perimeter defense, we'll ease the interior burden on Sabonis.

I know I’m more willing than most to sell low on Turner but, Turner for Mitchell and Thompson works for me. A build around Sabonis requires a strong defender at PG. Mitchell checks off that box.

[Tom White]

In general, I like Mitchell more as a trade option if Myles is the outgoing. Sure, we wouldn't also get a surefire lotto pick in this upcoming draft along with Mitchell for just Turner, but I'd probably still look to do something like that and hope that by strengthening the perimeter defense, we'll ease the interior burden on Sabonis.

If Jackson can keep improving, he can take a lot of the defensive load off Sabonis.

I really only have one problem with Mitchell. He's short. Really short. I just don't like short guards like him. It is a built-in limitation that can't be solved on either end of the court.

On the other hand, if he were to help keep Brogdon off the court, I'd be all for him.