Options to fix the PF hole

[NecessaryEvil]

I was clamoring for Hartenstein in the preseason. He was totally available to us. he had the size and a fair amount of playing experience for a 2nd round pick.

It seems like the Wizards have too many bigs. Wonder if Deni Advija can play some pf for us, even though he is listed as a shooting guard on the Wizards. He is 6 9, which seems huge for a shooting guard. Is he way too weak physically to play at pf? He has the height. I think his playing time has gone down recently. What would it take to get Rui or Deni? Could they help us? What would we have to give up?

We need an actual big, not another tweener. I don’t know much about Rui but Deni is no big man

[sco]

I was clamoring for Hartenstein in the preseason. He was totally available to us. he had the size and a fair amount of playing experience for a 2nd round pick.

It seems like the Wizards have too many bigs. Wonder if Deni Advija can play some pf for us, even though he is listed as a shooting guard on the Wizards. He is 6 9, which seems huge for a shooting guard. Is he way too weak physically to play at pf? He has the height. I think his playing time has gone down recently. What would it take to get Rui or Deni? Could they help us? What would we have to give up?

We need an actual big, not another tweener. I don’t know much about Rui but Deni is no big man

I think Deni is the sort of guy who Billy likes, due to his ability to switch 1-4. He's had a rough 2nd year, but his defense is very good. I like Rui as he seems like another buy-low candidate with upside. The problem I see is that both are young, with upside on rookie deals. I can't see nabbing either without using White, Pat or POR 1st, and while I might use the POR 1st, I would want more back, but then you get into salary matching problems.

[GOBlazers]

I now lean towards getting Robert Covington

The math doesn't work without either including Coby or Pat or a 3rd team, because we can't trade DJJ back.

That said. We could trade Coby, TBJ, Bradley, Marko and Thomas for Covington and Little. If POR is trading McCollum or Dame, Coby might be enticing for them. Ideally, I'd like to trade their 1st back because it has more value to them as a trade piece (because they can remove the protections and are limited on trading 1sts because of its protections) than anyone else, but they don't have pieces that I'd want that work $-wise (except maybe a future 1st with different protections).

Blazer fans would love to trade RoCo for a late first. The Bull have one of Portland firsts... Are we sure DJJ can't be traded back to the Blazers? I know the RealGM trade checker states that is the case, but I haven't been able to find that rule written anywhere else yet.

[FriedRise]

I now lean towards getting Robert Covington

The math doesn't work without either including Coby or Pat or a 3rd team, because we can't trade DJJ back.

That said. We could trade Coby, TBJ, Bradley, Marko and Thomas for Covington and Little. If POR is trading McCollum or Dame, Coby might be enticing for them. Ideally, I'd like to trade their 1st back because it has more value to them as a trade piece (because they can remove the protections and are limited on trading 1sts because of its protections) than anyone else, but they don't have pieces that I'd want that work $-wise (except maybe a future 1st with different protections).

Blazer fans would love to trade RoCo for a late first. The Bull have one of Portland firsts... Are we sure DJJ can't be traded back to the Blazers? I know the RealGM trade checker states that is the case, but I haven't been able to find that rule written anywhere else yet.

Just tried it on fanspo.



It's too bad because I think most of us would've loved this trade. Might need to include a third team to take DJJ.

[HomoSapien]

Just wanted to add that if we can trade for a defensive-minded PF, it'll allow JaVonte to spend some time defending guards again which will go a long way towards holding us over until Caruso and Ball return.

[jordanwilliams6]

Just wanted to add that if we can trade for a defensive-minded PF, it'll allow JaVonte to spend some time defending guards again which will go a long way towards holding us over until Caruso and Ball return.

He’s already pretty much doing it now. Unless our opponent has a PF that the offense runs through, we play Green on guards. He was guarding CJ against the Blazers while DDR sat on RoCo.

[NecessaryEvil]

I was clamoring for Hartenstein in the preseason. He was totally available to us. he had the size and a fair amount of playing experience for a 2nd round pick.

It seems like the Wizards have too many bigs. Wonder if Deni Advija can play some pf for us, even though he is listed as a shooting guard on the Wizards. He is 6 9, which seems huge for a shooting guard. Is he way too weak physically to play at pf? He has the height. I think his playing time has gone down recently. What would it take to get Rui or Deni? Could they help us? What would we have to give up?

We need an actual big, not another tweener. I don’t know much about Rui but Deni is no big man

I think Deni is the sort of guy who Billy likes, due to his ability to switch 1-4. He's had a rough 2nd year, but his defense is very good. I like Rui as he seems like another buy-low candidate with upside. The problem I see is that both are young, with upside on rookie deals. I can't see nabbing either without using White, Pat or POR 1st, and while I might use the POR 1st, I would want more back, but then you get into salary matching problems.

I like Deni too but I'm not sure if he solves any of our issues

[kodo]

Blazer fans would love to trade RoCo for a late first. The Bull have one of Portland firsts... Are we sure DJJ can't be traded back to the Blazers? I know the RealGM trade checker states that is the case, but I haven't been able to find that rule written anywhere else yet.

This is the rule I'm reading:

No Re-Acquisitions — Once a team trades a player, it cannot reacquire that player during the same season. If the team trades a player between seasons, it cannot reacquire that player until the end of the next season. The only exceptions to these rules are if the player is waived and no other team claims the player.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

The math doesn't work without either including Coby or Pat or a 3rd team, because we can't trade DJJ back.

That said. We could trade Coby, TBJ, Bradley, Marko and Thomas for Covington and Little. If POR is trading McCollum or Dame, Coby might be enticing for them. Ideally, I'd like to trade their 1st back because it has more value to them as a trade piece (because they can remove the protections and are limited on trading 1sts because of its protections) than anyone else, but they don't have pieces that I'd want that work $-wise (except maybe a future 1st with different protections).

Blazer fans would love to trade RoCo for a late first. The Bull have one of Portland firsts... Are we sure DJJ can't be traded back to the Blazers? I know the RealGM trade checker states that is the case, but I haven't been able to find that rule written anywhere else yet.

Just tried it on fanspo.



It's too bad because I think most of us would've loved this trade. Might need to include a third team to take DJJ.

We could still make the money work without Coby or Pat, by using the +5M rule instead of the 125% rule. A non-tax team can take back the outgoing salary+5M if the outgoing salary is between 6.5M and 19.6M, which it would be in this case. That means to get Cov, we'd have have to send out his 12.9M - 5M, so at least 7.9M. Unfortunately, some of the players we'd like to add to Brown as filler don't work..Marko and McKinnie's salaries aren't big enough(and McKinnie can't be traded anyway since we signed him later). And obviously we don't want to move Ayo or Javonte.

But what works is Brown+Tony Bradley+Matt Thomas(plus the pick). That would get it done financially. But Portland would have to have room for a 3-for-1 deal.

An additional plus with this is it opens up two roster spots if we want to sign buyout guys after the deadline.

The downside is trading Bradley creates a big hole at backup C. We could get get lucky and sign a good C on the post-deadline buyout market. Or Cov/DJJ/eventually Pat could take turns playing smallball C behind Vuc. Or we could just sign Cook to a real contract and he could be our backup C.

Comes down to whether or not you think including Bradley makes it too much of a lateral move.

With everyone back, we'd look like.

Vuc / buyout guy / Marko
Covington / PWill / DJJ
DeRozan / Ayo / McKinnie
Zach / Coby / Javonte
Lonzo / Caruso / buyout guy
+Cook, Hill on two-way contracts

[NecessaryEvil]

Team will be better going forward in approximately, 10 days.

Excited

I think AK's got something else up his sleeve. Maybe I'll pick my insider's brain a bit this week.





BTW Maurice Cheeks is doing ok, fyi, for those wondering.

Can we get an official trade deadline thread going? Rumors bound to ramp up today.

[sco]

Team will be better going forward in approximately, 10 days.

Excited

I think AK's got something else up his sleeve. Maybe I'll pick my insider's brain a bit this week.





BTW Maurice Cheeks is doing ok, fyi, for those wondering.

Can we get an official trade deadline thread going? Rumors bound to ramp up today.

I'm thinking we only do a small deal or two. I'm just getting too much of a vibe that the FO really loves both Coby and Pat, and no big deal gets done without including one of those two...DJJ, TBJ and POR pick just doesn't feel like it will bring back a better player than either guy. I have to say, DJJ has been really good for us...maybe his smallish role will allow us to resign him on the cheap next offseason.

The sorts of things I expect are something like Thomas for Millsap or RoLo. If we can dump Marko for nothing, that might be a win in just freeing up a roster spot for a buyout.

[holv03]

Serge Ibaka could end up being a target at the deadline and could solve a lot of the defensive issues down low. He played with Vucevic before in Orlando and this team could bring out the best of Ibaka since his focus will mostly be on what he does best.

[jacoby1us]

Serge Ibaka could end up being a target at the deadline and could solve a lot of the defensive issues down low. He played with Vucevic before in Orlando and this team could bring out the best of Ibaka since his focus will mostly be on what he does best.

DJJ for Ibaka works, but I am not sure about Ibaka's health after having back issues last season. I believe he actually had back-surgery in the off-season. He is certainly not the banger he used to be, which is what we need on the boards and PnRs.

[Andi Obst]

Serge Ibaka could end up being a target at the deadline and could solve a lot of the defensive issues down low. He played with Vucevic before in Orlando and this team could bring out the best of Ibaka since his focus will mostly be on what he does best.

DJJ for Ibaka works, but I am not sure about Ibaka's health after having back issues last season. I believe he actually had back-surgery in the off-season. He is certainly not the banger he used to be, which is what we need on the boards and PnRs.

No way I’m trading DJJ for the remains of Serge Ibaka.

Also, am I the only one who’s annoyed by the fact that approximately 95% of the players in this thread are backup center solutions?

[sco]

Serge Ibaka could end up being a target at the deadline and could solve a lot of the defensive issues down low. He played with Vucevic before in Orlando and this team could bring out the best of Ibaka since his focus will mostly be on what he does best.

DJJ for Ibaka works, but I am not sure about Ibaka's health after having back issues last season. I believe he actually had back-surgery in the off-season. He is certainly not the banger he used to be, which is what we need on the boards and PnRs.

No way I’m trading DJJ for the remains of Serge Ibaka.

Also, am I the only one who’s annoyed by the fact that approximately 95% of the players in this thread are backup center solutions?

Totally with you. DJJ > 2022 Ibaka.

[Wingy]

DJJ for Ibaka works, but I am not sure about Ibaka's health after having back issues last season. I believe he actually had back-surgery in the off-season. He is certainly not the banger he used to be, which is what we need on the boards and PnRs.

No way I’m trading DJJ for the remains of Serge Ibaka.

Also, am I the only one who’s annoyed by the fact that approximately 95% of the players in this thread are backup center solutions?

Totally with you. DJJ > 2022 Ibaka.

Fans love corpses w/brand names...Ibaka...Cousins...Millsap.

[sco]

No way I’m trading DJJ for the remains of Serge Ibaka.

Also, am I the only one who’s annoyed by the fact that approximately 95% of the players in this thread are backup center solutions?

Totally with you. DJJ > 2022 Ibaka.

Fans love corpses w/brand names...Ibaka...Cousins...Millsap.

I love those 3 as roster adds, but none worth DJJ in trade. Worth Marko, sure. Worth Thomas, probably. Worth TBJ, maybe.

[Macallan]

No way I’m trading DJJ for the remains of Serge Ibaka.

Also, am I the only one who’s annoyed by the fact that approximately 95% of the players in this thread are backup center solutions?

Totally with you. DJJ > 2022 Ibaka.

Fans love corpses w/brand names...Ibaka...Cousins...Millsap.

Yeah, none of those dudes move the needle. Unfortunately, athletic 6'9" 3&D PFs aren't readily available for what the Bulls have or want to trade.

[FriedRise]

DJJ for Ibaka works, but I am not sure about Ibaka's health after having back issues last season. I believe he actually had back-surgery in the off-season. He is certainly not the banger he used to be, which is what we need on the boards and PnRs.

No way I’m trading DJJ for the remains of Serge Ibaka.

Also, am I the only one who’s annoyed by the fact that approximately 95% of the players in this thread are backup center solutions?

Totally with you. DJJ > 2022 Ibaka.

Agreed, OK now do 2022 Ibaka vs DJJ missing 1 index finger on non-shooting hand?

[sco]

No way I’m trading DJJ for the remains of Serge Ibaka.

Also, am I the only one who’s annoyed by the fact that approximately 95% of the players in this thread are backup center solutions?

Totally with you. DJJ > 2022 Ibaka.

Agreed, OK now do 2022 Ibaka vs DJJ missing 1 index finger on non-shooting hand?

Tell me how much past the deadline DJJ is out. A week or two, then I'm where I was, more than a month and I see warm body value in Ibaka, but only if you told me he can give us minutes at the 4 (which I doubt). Ibaka's marginal benefit over Bradley feels small. He does give 3's, but that's about it.