Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

[WeekapaugGroove]

I’m amazed there’s people bashing Gute. All gm’s make mistakes, but he’s had more hits than misses


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I have a nuanced opinion of his performance. I think he's generally drafted well and has been really good in FA but I also think he mishandled the Rodgers situation. He's been around Aaron long enough where the hissy fit he threw about the love pick should have been totally predictable. Understanding the personality of your star players is part of being a GM.

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[M-C-G]

The guy we should have hired if we paid him for what he wanted, Rizzi, is available since Payton stepped down


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This right here is what should happen. We might have a ring or two by now if we’d been able to land this guy the first time around.

Wasn't the scoop with Rizzi that his family didn't want to live in Green Bay, so he asked for a huge contract, like as big as the defensive coordinator or something like that? He purposely priced himself out of range, as I recall.

[M-C-G]

I’m amazed there’s people bashing Gute Bellichick. All gm’s make mistakes, but he’s had more hits than misses


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I have a nuanced opinion of his performance. I think he's generally drafted well and has been really good in FA but I also think he mishandled the Rodgers Brady situation. He's been around Aaron Tom long enough where the hissy fit he threw about the love pick should have been totally predictable. Understanding the personality of your star players is part of being a GM.

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This is why everyone thinks Bill sucks. Wait, what, nobody?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I’m amazed there’s people bashing Gute Bellichick. All gm’s make mistakes, but he’s had more hits than misses


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I have a nuanced opinion of his performance. I think he's generally drafted well and has been really good in FA but I also think he mishandled the Rodgers Brady situation. He's been around Aaron Tom long enough where the hissy fit he threw about the love pick should have been totally predictable. Understanding the personality of your star players is part of being a GM.

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This is why everyone thinks Bill sucks. Wait, what, nobody?

Bills the greatest coach in NFL history but I think there's legitimate criticism from how the end of the Brady era played out. Brady won a SB and the AFC was pretty weak this past year to the point where if I was a Pats fan in the back of my mind I would wonder if they'd be in the Superbowl this year if Brady was still there. Now they have enough chips where it shouldn't hurt too bad.

You can do a great job and still make mistakes.

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[th87]

I’m amazed there’s people bashing Gute Bellichick. All gm’s make mistakes, but he’s had more hits than misses


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I have a nuanced opinion of his performance. I think he's generally drafted well and has been really good in FA but I also think he mishandled the Rodgers Brady situation. He's been around Aaron Tom long enough where the hissy fit he threw about the love pick should have been totally predictable. Understanding the personality of your star players is part of being a GM.

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This is why everyone thinks Bill sucks. Wait, what, nobody?

Good point. We all know long-time superstar employees making a mistake are judged the same as newer employees making a mistake on one of their early decisions.

[M-C-G]

I have a nuanced opinion of his performance. I think he's generally drafted well and has been really good in FA but I also think he mishandled the Rodgers Brady situation. He's been around Aaron Tom long enough where the hissy fit he threw about the love pick should have been totally predictable. Understanding the personality of your star players is part of being a GM.

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This is why everyone thinks Bill sucks. Wait, what, nobody?

Good point. We all know long-time superstar employees making a mistake are judged the same as newer employees making a mistake on one of their early decisions.

Nah, I am just saying it to have some fun. I do think, generally speaking though, especially with a passionate fan base of people that have strong opinions on draft, free agency, etc., people have trouble being objective and certainly don't do a good job comparing their GM to the success/failure of a typical GM out there.

[M-C-G]

I have a nuanced opinion of his performance. I think he's generally drafted well and has been really good in FA but I also think he mishandled the Rodgers Brady situation. He's been around Aaron Tom long enough where the hissy fit he threw about the love pick should have been totally predictable. Understanding the personality of your star players is part of being a GM.

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This is why everyone thinks Bill sucks. Wait, what, nobody?

Bills the greatest coach in NFL history but I think there's legitimate criticism from how the end of the Brady era played out. Brady won a SB and the AFC was pretty weak this past year to the point where if I was a Pats fan in the back of my mind I would wonder if they'd be in the Superbowl this year if Brady was still there. Now they have enough chips where it shouldn't hurt too bad.

You can do a great job and still make mistakes.

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I think you could look at it a few ways, one, the Patriots appear to have their QB of the future and already back in the playoffs. They missed out on two years of Brady and really got nothing for him.

For the Packers, if Rodgers wants to go, we get a couple of picks by doing it now, he gets what he wants and if we are back in the playoffs in the next two years under Love or another QB, mission complete.

And yes, all GMs make mistakes, even the ones that do great jobs.

[WeekapaugGroove]

This is why everyone thinks Bill sucks. Wait, what, nobody?

Bills the greatest coach in NFL history but I think there's legitimate criticism from how the end of the Brady era played out. Brady won a SB and the AFC was pretty weak this past year to the point where if I was a Pats fan in the back of my mind I would wonder if they'd be in the Superbowl this year if Brady was still there. Now they have enough chips where it shouldn't hurt too bad.

You can do a great job and still make mistakes.

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I think you could look at it a few ways, one, the Patriots appear to have their QB of the future and already back in the playoffs. They missed out on two years of Brady and really got nothing for him.

For the Packers, if Rodgers wants to go, we get a couple of picks by doing it now, he gets what he wants and if we are back in the playoffs in the next two years under Love or another QB, mission complete.

And yes, all GMs make mistakes, even the ones that do great jobs.

If I were a Pats fan I would outwardly love and think Jones was the next coming but in the back of my mind I would question if he's actually talented enough to beat the young **** mutant QBs in the AFC. But whatever enough pats talk those **** have won enough.


As far as gute, I think he's done a good job overall but last summer was embarrassing. This is going to sound **** but half measures/trying to have their cake and eat it too is part of how I'll remember the Rodgers era with the Love pick being the final example. Years of trying to compete and keeping a clean cap sheet and draft stash look like mistakes at this point. Although hand up I was in favor of this strategy earlier in Rodgers career.


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[th87]

I mean, how many "strikeouts" are we even talking about here? I have:

Sternberger
Josh Jackson
JK Scott
J'Mon Moore?

Even if you want to throw Amari Rodgers in there (fair because I think he's already done), that's really the list in his entire 4 draft classes as a GM. If you're gonna name guys picked in the 6th-7th round that didn't stick on the roster, then you're reaching. That's almost always a crapshoot.

The whole draft is pretty much luck. If drafting high, you minimize your chances of drafting a bust, which then increases with every passing pick.

I'm pretty sure every GM would eventually have the same whiff rate if allowed to draft for 20 years or more, kind of like coin tosses averaging out over time even if you got like 8 tails in a row. There isn't some secret science Gute and crew figured out; he just happens to be on a favorable run (in some aspects). Therefore he deserves no criticism and no praise really on his picks.

Where he can be judged is on direction, i.e. is now the time to draft a first round QB at the cost of a WR, and based on what transpired thus far, the answer is no thus far.

Fans and media touting the greatness of a GM's draft skills is solely based on how much of a superstar the picks became. Which is probably total luck. Ryan Pace is considered a genius if his coin flip resulted in him taking Mahomes. The same genius who took Rodgers is the same guy picking Kevin King over TJ Watt.

Just found this article making this point far better than I can:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/

[th87]

If I was Gute, it would be tempting to Hinkie it up completely. Trade everyone except those on first contracts, and use that haul to give yourself as many shots in the draft (especially first 3 rounds) as possible.

Suck for two more years, amass as much draft capital as possible, and see where Love is by then. The team should be ascending by year 3, and if Love is good, the team should become a contender. If not, trade for a disgruntled aging QB (maybe the Cowboys tire of Prescott by then).

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That would be one heck of a class. Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben


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[ReginaldDwight]

So anyone who says Rodgers is the best QB ever is just being contrarian right?

[WeekapaugGroove]

So anyone who says Rodgers is the best QB ever is just being contrarian right?

Wrong is probably a better word than contrarian. But do people actually say this? I kind felt like that was always a straw man brought up more by people critical of Aaron who would argue against it.

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[RRyder823]

So anyone who says Rodgers is the best QB ever is just being contrarian right?

Probably. But I'll still never say Brady is the best ever considering I don't think he was the best QB in the league any year he played.

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[msiris]

A big one is Kevin King since a lot of us wanted Watt. Talk about a a big blunder. Not the same gm but.

So not at all relevant to the discussion?

While we are blaming our current GM for strikeouts before he was GM, I am pissed we drafted Tony Mandarich over Barry Sanders. When is Gute going to right this wrong???

Its about the organization as a whole. That was a major screw up. If you look at the draft two years ago it contained some WTF moments.

[ReasonablySober]

Drayton's gone.

[ReginaldDwight]

So anyone who says Rodgers is the best QB ever is just being contrarian right?

Wrong is probably a better word than contrarian. But do people actually say this? I kind felt like that was always a straw man brought up more by people critical of Aaron who would argue against it.

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Heard multple callers on the radio say that today. McAfee likes to call him the best ball thrower ever.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

So anyone who says Rodgers is the best QB ever is just being contrarian right?

Wrong is probably a better word than contrarian. But do people actually say this? I kind felt like that was always a straw man brought up more by people critical of Aaron who would argue against it.

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Heard multple callers on the radio say that today. McAfee likes to call him the best ball thrower ever.

He's the best we've ever seen at avoiding interceptions. That's the one 'best' I think is undisputable with Aaron.

As far as the 'best thrower of a football' it's a fun debate and Aaron would be in the conversation. Mahomes is pretty damn good in that department. We probably overlook some of the older guys too, like Dan Marino could really spin it.

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