Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we think Duncan gets **** on pretty bad here what until Herro is playing like his last 2 and he’s making double what Duncan makes lol luckily he’ll be doing it on the Jazz!

[dshearn]

There's no world in which Wood is worth 2 1st round picks. Defensively there are questions. He's not Myles Turner. He's 6' 9". For his career he averages 0.9 blocks and this season 0.8 blocks. For the teams he's played for, they've had pretty bad defenses. This not a player you bring in who is going to massively improve your interior defense.
Offensively he might help. He's a better shooter & can take advantage of slower centers on the dribble better than Bam does. But he's a player who is used to touches. Is he going to be happy being the 3rd or 4th option. To make it work, you would need to be in the corner to spread the floor. Judging from his attitude in Houston, the answer is No. The dude has been in on 6 different teams. His latest team wants him out because he wouldn't sub in a game. That's a massive warning flag for me. Players like that just ruin the team chemistry. What happens when he gets benched in 4th quarters because PJ Tucker is better defensively than him ? Numbers aren't everything as the Lakers are learning. Chemistry and willingness to sacrifice matters. And I just don't see it from Wood.
If you are going to bring in a center, it would have to be someone like Myles Turner. Who is an elite rim protector and who won't complain about touches. He's hurt so he's not an option this year. So maybe 2omeone like Mo Bamba. He is averaging 2.0 blocks this season and shooting 35 % from 3. He's only 23 so he can get a lot better and he will be happy fitting in whatever role Spo assigns him. And he wouldn't cost anywhere near as much.

The Character concerns i think are everyone's fear. It is a legitimate fear, but we heard bad things about Jimmy too. I think if the team vets Wood and thinks they can get a full buy in from him, then you take the risk and bring him in.


I would say this, having watched a lot of the guy (good buddy is a Houston fan and I have watched a lot of Wood). I don't think he "might help" on offense as the 3rd or 4th option. I think he will absolutely help and probably be at worst the 3rd option when he is on the floor. Given his mentality and Bam's mentality, I honestly don't think he takes a back seat to Bam inside.

We have so many people that defer on offense, I really don't think Wood is going to hurt for touches. Last year when he had 20+ shot nights, I think you could point towards a big adjustment coming to Miami, this year though his minutes and shot attempts are significantly more manageable.

It would not shock me in the least if Miami got the best version of Wood. I don't think he has ever had a franchise that is this structured and had this much spacing and facilitating. Wood gets referred to as a stretch 5 a lot because he can hit the 3 from anywhere and doesn't just sit in the corner waiting, but people tend to overlook just how good he is at attacking the basket when he drives off the 3 point line. His skill set matches Miami and he plugs in day one.

Dude could be a STAR on Miami

[harlem_ball]

There's no world in which Wood is worth 2 1st round picks. Defensively there are questions. He's not Myles Turner. He's 6' 9". For his career he averages 0.9 blocks and this season 0.8 blocks. For the teams he's played for, they've had pretty bad defenses. This not a player you bring in who is going to massively improve your interior defense.
Offensively he might help. He's a better shooter & can take advantage of slower centers on the dribble better than Bam does. But he's a player who is used to touches. Is he going to be happy being the 3rd or 4th option. To make it work, you would need to be in the corner to spread the floor. Judging from his attitude in Houston, the answer is No. The dude has been in on 6 different teams. His latest team wants him out because he wouldn't sub in a game. That's a massive warning flag for me. Players like that just ruin the team chemistry. What happens when he gets benched in 4th quarters because PJ Tucker is better defensively than him ? Numbers aren't everything as the Lakers are learning. Chemistry and willingness to sacrifice matters. And I just don't see it from Wood.
If you are going to bring in a center, it would have to be someone like Myles Turner. Who is an elite rim protector and who won't complain about touches. He's hurt so he's not an option this year. So maybe 2omeone like Mo Bamba. He is averaging 2.0 blocks this season and shooting 35 % from 3. He's only 23 so he can get a lot better and he will be happy fitting in whatever role Spo assigns him. And he wouldn't cost anywhere near as much.

The Character concerns i think are everyone's fear. It is a legitimate fear, but we heard bad things about Jimmy too. I think if the team vets Wood and thinks they can get a full buy in from him, then you take the risk and bring him in.


I would say this, having watched a lot of the guy (good buddy is a Houston fan and I have watched a lot of Wood). I don't think he "might help" on offense as the 3rd or 4th option. I think he will absolutely help and probably be at worst the 3rd option when he is on the floor. Given his mentality and Bam's mentality, I honestly don't think he takes a back seat to Bam inside.

We have so many people that defer on offense, I really don't think Wood is going to hurt for touches. Last year when he had 20+ shot nights, I think you could point towards a big adjustment coming to Miami, this year though his minutes and shot attempts are significantly more manageable.

It would not shock me in the least if Miami got the best version of Wood. I don't think he has ever had a franchise that is this structured and had this much spacing and facilitating. Wood gets referred to as a stretch 5 a lot because he can hit the 3 from anywhere and doesn't just sit in the corner waiting, but people tend to overlook just how good he is at attacking the basket when he drives off the 3 point line. His skill set matches Miami and he plugs in day one.

Dude could be a STAR on Miami

Wood is a role player. Heat have enough of those. Whale or nothing at this point.

[MiamiSun]

Anyone get the feeling Spo didn't want to win last game because he doesn't want to coach the ASG? It's common knowledge Spo doesn't like the ASG.

[harlem_ball]

Turner used to make sense as a trade piece but if Spo is doing this Beasley thing with Yurt he's not going to play Turner much anyways, probably. Maybe a move for Harden next season or something.

[harlem_ball]

Some of you all just want to hear Eric Read say "Christian Wood", so you can giggle. Theres really no other logic to having an overpaid empty stats guy on a basement team come here and be a role player.

[dshearn]

Some of you all just want to hear Eric Read say "Christian Wood", so you can giggle. Theres really no other logic to having an overpaid empty stats guy on a basement team come here and be a role player.

I doubt it is that....

Most likely there is broad attraction to him as a player due to his salary structure and his value as a player. There is not a lot of players that can be plugged in and are available at 15 million. I don't think your gonna find broad consensus that Wood is "overpaid".

Basically he is an established 20/10 guy for what 13 million?

I get whale hunting but considering how Jimmy is the epicenter of the team and his relationship with Lowery, whale hunting is going to be problematic when it comes to salary.

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[AirP.]

Trying to figure out possible trade targets for Miami, could Dinwiddie be a target; Miami has been interested in him in the last year? He's making 17.1 this season and doesn't seem to be meshing with Beal. Would be a great backup PG and has good size.

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[Shewasfly]

The way Bam played last night I think his closest comparison may not be Garnett but perhaps some Garnett/Draymond Green hybrid. Which player was like that?

Bam is not anywhere NEAR KG.

He's closer to Draymond Green on offense for sure, but even then he's not on Draymond's level defensively either. Sorry not sorry. Guys like KG and Draymond control their team on the defensive end. They talk and are very vocal, make sure their team is in the right place, and hold everyone accountable on that end. PJ is more of that than Bam is for us.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Right now Bam is KG stuck with Simmons mindset. We’ll unlock him

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Trade-buyout-then signing with Miami. Just a matter of time, he’s well rested too which he needed.

[harlem_ball]

Some of you all just want to hear Eric Read say "Christian Wood", so you can giggle. Theres really no other logic to having an overpaid empty stats guy on a basement team come here and be a role player.

I doubt it is that....

Most likely there is broad attraction to him as a player due to his salary structure and his value as a player. There is not a lot of players that can be plugged in and are available at 15 million. I don't think your gonna find broad consensus that Wood is "overpaid".

Basically he is an established 20/10 guy for what 13 million?

I get whale hunting but considering how Jimmy is the epicenter of the team and his relationship with Lowery, whale hunting is going to be problematic when it comes to salary.

Kevin Love can give you better value if he's bought out. Gabe Vincent would get 20/10 on that Rockets team.

[harlem_ball]

The way Bam played last night I think his closest comparison may not be Garnett but perhaps some Garnett/Draymond Green hybrid. Which player was like that?

Bam is not anywhere NEAR KG.

He's closer to Draymond Green on offense for sure, but even then he's not on Draymond's level defensively either. Sorry not sorry. Guys like KG and Draymond control their team on the defensive end. They talk and are very vocal, make sure their team is in the right place, and hold everyone accountable on that end. PJ is more of that than Bam is for us.

Hes close to Green defensively for sure. Def in the same tier or below but Bam is not a shot blocker and that's the difference between he and KG. He's too short to be that guy.

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[DayofMourning]

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He would've owned it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The way Bam played last night I think his closest comparison may not be Garnett but perhaps some Garnett/Draymond Green hybrid. Which player was like that?

Bam is not anywhere NEAR KG.

He's closer to Draymond Green on offense for sure, but even then he's not on Draymond's level defensively either. Sorry not sorry. Guys like KG and Draymond control their team on the defensive end. They talk and are very vocal, make sure their team is in the right place, and hold everyone accountable on that end. PJ is more of that than Bam is for us.

Hes close to Green defensively for sure. Def in the same tier or below but Bam is not a shot blocker and that's the difference between he and KG. He's too short to be that guy.

If he camped in the paint all game he would get more blocks. He’s so much more than that defensively that we don’t have him doing that. See Turner and Gobert, they’ll block your shot but if they get switched on the perimeter they’re going to get cooked

[eddieheatfan]

The way Bam played last night I think his closest comparison may not be Garnett but perhaps some Garnett/Draymond Green hybrid. Which player was like that?

Bam is not anywhere NEAR KG.

He's closer to Draymond Green on offense for sure, but even then he's not on Draymond's level defensively either. Sorry not sorry. Guys like KG and Draymond control their team on the defensive end. They talk and are very vocal, make sure their team is in the right place, and hold everyone accountable on that end. PJ is more of that than Bam is for us.

[dshearn]

Some of you all just want to hear Eric Read say "Christian Wood", so you can giggle. Theres really no other logic to having an overpaid empty stats guy on a basement team come here and be a role player.

I doubt it is that....

Most likely there is broad attraction to him as a player due to his salary structure and his value as a player. There is not a lot of players that can be plugged in and are available at 15 million. I don't think your gonna find broad consensus that Wood is "overpaid".

Basically he is an established 20/10 guy for what 13 million?

I get whale hunting but considering how Jimmy is the epicenter of the team and his relationship with Lowery, whale hunting is going to be problematic when it comes to salary.

Kevin Love can give you better value if he's bought out. Gabe Vincent would get 20/10 on that Rockets team.

Maybe, *if

Love is 33 years old and much slower then 26 year old Wood.

Straight up, Wood is likely to give the Heat the option for more minutes, probably a better rebounder and has recently shown he is more likely to get blocks if he is kept near the basket.

Most importantly tho, he will attack the basket and draw fouls. When that offense breaks down and can't get off clean outside shots, would you rather have love sitting in the corner waiting or someone that is aggressive to the basket?

Back before Wood was taking 6 or so 3s a game, it was not uncommon for him to average 7-8 free throws a game.

Wood is simply more versatile and adds things the Heat don't have. Look at the Dynamic that Tucker gives the offense when he will come off the 3 point line and go on the baseline to the basket, or look at the dynamic we get when Duncan cuts to the basket. Wood can add that from all over the court since he is not just a corner 3 guy... on EVERY possession... that is what he does.

[harlem_ball]

I doubt it is that....

Most likely there is broad attraction to him as a player due to his salary structure and his value as a player. There is not a lot of players that can be plugged in and are available at 15 million. I don't think your gonna find broad consensus that Wood is "overpaid".

Basically he is an established 20/10 guy for what 13 million?

I get whale hunting but considering how Jimmy is the epicenter of the team and his relationship with Lowery, whale hunting is going to be problematic when it comes to salary.

Kevin Love can give you better value if he's bought out. Gabe Vincent would get 20/10 on that Rockets team.

Maybe, *if

Love is 33 years old and much slower then 26 year old Wood.

Straight up, Wood is likely to give the Heat the option for more minutes, probably a better rebounder and has recently shown he is more likely to get blocks if he is kept near the basket.

Most importantly tho, he will attack the basket and draw fouls. When that offense breaks down and can't get off clean outside shots, would you rather have love sitting in the corner waiting or someone that is aggressive to the basket?

Back before Wood was taking 6 or so 3s a game, it was not uncommon for him to average 7-8 free throws a game.

Wood is simply more versatile and adds things the Heat don't have. Look at the Dynamic that Tucker gives the offense when he will come off the 3 point line and go on the baseline to the basket, or look at the dynamic we get when Duncan cuts to the basket. Wood can add that from all over the court since he is not just a corner 3 guy... on EVERY possession... that is what he does.

Good points indeed. Alternatively, you already have Jimmy, Bam, Gabe, Lowry and Caleb to slash and draw fouls. Do you really want to cut depth to add another big that will average around 7 pts and maybe 4 rbs and 0.5 blks in this system?

Maybe Sabonis would be a better target. Hes like a Bam/Yurt hybrid. And better than them both on offense.