Jalyen Brown vs Pascal Siakam

[Floody100]

Bizarre how arrogant Celtics fans are even though every single year their elite contending Celtics are never better than the crappy raps.

You figure they'd learn one of these years.

Head to Head in Regular Season:
Celtics (62 wins) Raptors (41 wins)

Head to Head in Playoffs:
Celtics won 4-3 to win the only playoff series they’ve been in.


Overall records of both teams from the 1995/96 season onwards when the Raptors joined the NBA.

Total wins & %:
Celtics- 1100 wins (52%)
Raptors- 1007 wins (47.7%)

Overall playoff appearances:
Celtics- 17
Raptors- 12

Overall playoff wins & percentage:
Celtics- 110 (51.4%)
Raptors- 55 (47%)

Championships:
Celtics- 1
Raptors- 1

Finals appearances:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Conference finals appearances:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 2

Conference Titles:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Division Titles:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 7

Besides both franchises being tied in championships & divisional titles, the Celtics are ahead in every other statistical category.

So yes, the Celtics have always been better than your “crappy raps”.

[everdiso]

Bizarre how arrogant Celtics fans are even though every single year their elite contending Celtics are never better than the crappy raps.

You figure they'd learn one of these years.

Head to Head in Regular Season:
Celtics (62 wins) Raptors (41 wins)

Head to Head in Playoffs:
Celtics won 4-3 to win the only playoff series they’ve been in.


Overall records of both teams from the 1995/96 season onwards when the Raptors joined the NBA.

Total wins & %:
Celtics- 1100 wins (52%)
Raptors- 1007 wins (47.7%)

Overall playoff appearances:
Celtics- 17
Raptors- 12

Overall playoff wins & percentage:
Celtics- 110 (51.4%)
Raptors- 55 (47%)

Championships:
Celtics- 1
Raptors- 1

Finals appearances:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Conference finals appearances:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 2

Conference Titles:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Division Titles:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 7

Besides both franchises being tied in championships & divisional titles, the Celtics are ahead in every other statistical category.

So yes, the Celtics have always been better than your “crappy raps”.

Congrats on being better than an expansion team.

Last 10yrs:

TOR 460-306 (.600) --- Plyf: 10-5 series (.667), 44-42 games (.512), 1 championships
BOS 432-347 (.555) --- Plyf: 7-8 series (.467), 39-44 games (.470), 0 championships


And every single one of those years we had to hear Celtics fans claiming their team was an elite contender while the raps were chumps. Every single year. And literally get angry and call people idiots for even daring to compare the raps to the elite Celtics talent. Every damn year.

And after all this time, Celtics fans keep doing it. It's hilarious.

[Floody100]

Bizarre how arrogant Celtics fans are even though every single year their elite contending Celtics are never better than the crappy raps.

You figure they'd learn one of these years.

Head to Head in Regular Season:
Celtics (62 wins) Raptors (41 wins)

Head to Head in Playoffs:
Celtics won 4-3 to win the only playoff series they’ve been in.


Overall records of both teams from the 1995/96 season onwards when the Raptors joined the NBA.

Total wins & %:
Celtics- 1100 wins (52%)
Raptors- 1007 wins (47.7%)

Overall playoff appearances:
Celtics- 17
Raptors- 12

Overall playoff wins & percentage:
Celtics- 110 (51.4%)
Raptors- 55 (47%)

Championships:
Celtics- 1
Raptors- 1

Finals appearances:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Conference finals appearances:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 2

Conference Titles:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Division Titles:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 7

Besides both franchises being tied in championships & divisional titles, the Celtics are ahead in every other statistical category.

So yes, the Celtics have always been better than your “crappy raps”.

Congrats on being better than an expansion team.

Last 10yrs:

TOR 460-306 (.600) --- Plyf: 10-5 series (.667), 44-42 games (.512), 1 championships
BOS 432-347 (.555) --- Plyf: 7-8 series (.467), 39-44 games (.470), 0 championships


And every single one of those years we had to hear Celtics fans claiming their team was an elite contender while the raps were chumps. Every single year. And literally get angry and call people idiots for even daring to compare the raps to the elite Celtics talent. Every damn year.

And after all this time, Celtics fans keep doing it. It's hilarious.

Uh I see. Using sample sizes to favour your argument.
Why only 10 though ? Why not a 15 year sample size ?
I mean the Raptors were already in the NBA for 10 years at that point. Surely you guys weren’t still calling your team an “expansion team” ?

So as I kindly asked before. Could you all do us the generous favour of giving us that 15 year sample size ?

I’ll wait.

[everdiso]

Head to Head in Regular Season:
Celtics (62 wins) Raptors (41 wins)

Head to Head in Playoffs:
Celtics won 4-3 to win the only playoff series they’ve been in.


Overall records of both teams from the 1995/96 season onwards when the Raptors joined the NBA.

Total wins & %:
Celtics- 1100 wins (52%)
Raptors- 1007 wins (47.7%)

Overall playoff appearances:
Celtics- 17
Raptors- 12

Overall playoff wins & percentage:
Celtics- 110 (51.4%)
Raptors- 55 (47%)

Championships:
Celtics- 1
Raptors- 1

Finals appearances:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Conference finals appearances:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 2

Conference Titles:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Division Titles:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 7

Besides both franchises being tied in championships & divisional titles, the Celtics are ahead in every other statistical category.

So yes, the Celtics have always been better than your “crappy raps”.

Congrats on being better than an expansion team.

Last 10yrs:

TOR 460-306 (.600) --- Plyf: 10-5 series (.667), 44-42 games (.512), 1 championships
BOS 432-347 (.555) --- Plyf: 7-8 series (.467), 39-44 games (.470), 0 championships


And every single one of those years we had to hear Celtics fans claiming their team was an elite contender while the raps were chumps. Every single year. And literally get angry and call people idiots for even daring to compare the raps to the elite Celtics talent. Every damn year.

And after all this time, Celtics fans keep doing it. It's hilarious.

Uh I see. Using sample sizes to favour your argument.
Why only 10 though ? Why not a 15 year sample size ?
I mean the Raptors were already in the NBA for 10 years at that point. Surely you guys weren’t still calling your team an “expansion team” ?

So as I kindly asked before. Could you all do us the generous favour of giving us that 15 year sample size ?

I’ll wait.

How long exactly do you think being good 15yrs ago means you should keep claiming your team is great year after year after year?

[YogurtProducer]

Bizarre how arrogant Celtics fans are even though every single year their elite contending Celtics are never better than the crappy raps.

You figure they'd learn one of these years.

Head to Head in Regular Season:
Celtics (62 wins) Raptors (41 wins)

Head to Head in Playoffs:
Celtics won 4-3 to win the only playoff series they’ve been in.


Overall records of both teams from the 1995/96 season onwards when the Raptors joined the NBA.

Total wins & %:
Celtics- 1100 wins (52%)
Raptors- 1007 wins (47.7%)

Overall playoff appearances:
Celtics- 17
Raptors- 12

Overall playoff wins & percentage:
Celtics- 110 (51.4%)
Raptors- 55 (47%)

Championships:
Celtics- 1
Raptors- 1

Finals appearances:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Conference finals appearances:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 2

Conference Titles:
Celtics- 2
Raptors- 1

Division Titles:
Celtics- 7
Raptors- 7

Besides both franchises being tied in championships & divisional titles, the Celtics are ahead in every other statistical category.

So yes, the Celtics have always been better than your “crappy raps”.

Congrats on being better than an expansion team.

Last 10yrs:

TOR 460-306 (.600) --- Plyf: 10-5 series (.667), 44-42 games (.512), 1 championships
BOS 432-347 (.555) --- Plyf: 7-8 series (.467), 39-44 games (.470), 0 championships


And every single one of those years we had to hear Celtics fans claiming their team was an elite contender while the raps were chumps. Every single year. And literally get angry and call people idiots for even daring to compare the raps to the elite Celtics talent. Every damn year.

And after all this time, Celtics fans keep doing it. It's hilarious.

In his defense, it only really started when the Celtics got Tatum, so really the last 5 years.

TOR 223-134 (.625) --- Plyf: 6-2 series (.750), 1 championship
BOS 215-145 (.597) --- Plyf: 5-4 series (.555), 0 championship

I guess that does not really help them either... Toronto even tanked one of those years

[ballup]

LOL So you guys dont believe in stats and advanced stats. Good to know.

Most advanced stats are calculations based on correlation rather than actual measurements. But that's a topic for another day.

We all have seen Siakam have playoff troubles in multiple series. Man is not good at creating a shot. Jaylen has developed much more offensive tools, especially in the two seasons when these two teams have squared off, to not be the liability Siakam has been. The Raptors offense stagnated, and still does, against tighter defenses. It's why Kawhi was essential to their championship.

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ORL: 23/8/3 on 53/36/90 splits
PHI: 19/6/2 on 44/27/76 splits
MIL: 15/7/2 on 40/25/67 splits
GSW: 20/8/4 on 51/24/76 splits
BKN: 21/8/5 on 42/29/71 splits
BOS: 15/7/3 on 38/13/73 splits

So really Siakam had one awful series against the Celtics and one tough series against the Bucks. He was pretty good against the Sixers and Nets while he was great against the Magic and Warriors. "Multiple playoff series" is a bit of a stretch.

What you said about Brown developing in the last 2 seasons since that Celtics/Raptors matchup applies to Siakam too. He has become a significantly better playmaker and he has gone back to his strengths (cut his 3FGA in half while attempting more shots in the paint).

Siakam struggled when he had Embiid or Giannis on him. Credit they are both incredible defenders, but point still stands that good defenses can adjust to his playstyle and put a wrench in his scoring.

LOL So you guys dont believe in stats and advanced stats. Good to know.

Most advanced stats are calculations based on correlation rather than actual measurements. But that's a topic for another day.

We all have seen Siakam have playoff troubles in multiple series. Man is not good at creating a shot. Jaylen has developed much more offensive tools, especially in the two seasons when these two teams have squared off, to not be the liability Siakam has been. The Raptors offense stagnated, and still does, against tighter defenses. It's why Kawhi was essential to their championship.

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The Celtics offense has been stagnating even this regular season... And Brown had like 70% of his field goals assisted in his last playoffs in 2020

Jaylen added an inbetween game the following summer and continued to improve his array of finishing moves. As a result, his shooting percentage at the rim has increased each season. It's in the 70s, which is rim running big territory. He's doing it as a 6'6" wing. When the Celtics had Kemba and Hayward, Stevens pushed Brown to the corners much more since there were two additional playmaking scorers. That's no longer the case.

As for how the Celtics are now, they don't have a real identity offensively. The team being a mess doesn't detract how good both Jays are.