Former Miami Dolphins HC Brian Flores SUES the NFL FOR RACIAL DISCRIMINATION;owner offered HC $100k per loss 4 draft

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[Warriors Analyst]

This will end well on the GB.

[Ice Trae]

Did not expect Belichick to be a multiple exclamation point/question mark type of guy

[Quattro]

Is there racism there? How can you say no? They’re so bad they force teams to interview black coaches and still there is currently one black head coach. It’s hilarious people are even asking this question when I’m old enough to remember black QBs being controversial in this league.

Having said that, Flores won’t win his case. NFL just has too much money and power and I don’t see how he’s going to be able to prove that racism was behind his firing and lack of work.

[lakerz12]

Can someone please pinpoint where/when the discrimination took place?

I’m not saying it didn’t. I just haven’t seen it.

Because the Giants chose a candidate before interviewing Flores?

That may violate the Rooney Rule but I don’t see how it is discrimination. Maybe they just actually really really liked the other coach.

Is there more I haven’t seen?

[Nate505]

What is so damning about the Belicheck text? It's possible the Giants already made up their mind first before they interviewed Flores. Now if they did the right thing to do could be to cancel the interview, but maybe they thought they could give Flores a chance to wow them or whatever.

[lakerz12]

Is there racism there? How can you say no? They’re so bad they force teams to interview black coaches and still there is currently one black head coach. It’s hilarious people are even asking this question when I’m old enough to remember black QBs being controversial in this league.

Having said that, Flores won’t win his case. NFL just has too much money and power and I don’t see how he’s going to be able to prove that racism was behind his firing and lack of work.

They should start requiring interviews of Indian, Chinese, Korean, Russian, etc. coaches as well because I don’t think there any of those in the NFL.

[Duke4life831]

Giants hired Daboll because of how successful he was as the OC with Josh Allen as their QB. Giants have a big young QB with a big arm and also fast. Not crazy that they had their minds made up for Daboll to be their next coach.

I don’t think it’s racism because they already knew who they wanted their next coach to be. And again it’s a very easy and rational explanation on why they wanted Daboll.

If you’re going to sue the league, I would think he has more evidence that this was race based, either than just the Giants already knowing who they wanted as their next coach before they interviewed Flores.

[Warriors Analyst]

Can someone please pinpoint where/when the discrimination took place?

I’m not saying it didn’t. I just haven’t seen it.

Because the Giants chose a candidate before interviewing Flores?

That may violate the Rooney Rule but I don’t see how it is discrimination. Maybe they just actually really really liked the other coach.

Is there more I haven’t seen?

If they had already chosen the other guy and interviewed Flores only to meet the conditions of the Rooney rule, do you not see how that's an issue?

Flores has good reason to believe that he was only interviewed to check off a box and that he was never a serious candidate for the position. Now, if he'd been interviewed prior to the other guy, you could at least make an argument that the Giants actually took Flores seriously as a candidate.

[Duke4life831]

What is so damning about the Belicheck text? It's possible the Giants already made up their mind first before they interviewed Flores. Now if they did the right thing to do could be to cancel the interview, but maybe they thought they could give Flores a chance to wow them or whatever.

They had to interview Flores. The Rooney rule makes it so teams have to interview a black coach before announcing who their next coach is.

[SkyHookFTW]

The Rooney Rule is one of those poorly thought-out but well-intended rules. If a team believes a coach can get them to the Super Bowl, it doesn't matter if they are white, black, Asian, or from freaking Mars. An NFL team will back up the money truck and hire him. Having said that, Flores got a really raw deal in Miami. He has a noodle-armed QB that he never wanted, yet kept that team in contention when they could have thrown in the towel halfway through the season. Flores is a very good coach who I believe just burned his bridge to the NFL....maybe.

And if Bill Belicheat gets shade in the face, good.

[Duke4life831]

Can someone please pinpoint where/when the discrimination took place?

I’m not saying it didn’t. I just haven’t seen it.

Because the Giants chose a candidate before interviewing Flores?

That may violate the Rooney Rule but I don’t see how it is discrimination. Maybe they just actually really really liked the other coach.

Is there more I haven’t seen?

If they had already chosen the other guy and interviewed Flores only to meet the conditions of the Rooney rule, do you not see how that's an issue?

Flores has good reason to believe that he was only interviewed to check off a box and that he was never a serious candidate for the position. Now, if he'd been interviewed prior to the other guy, you could at least make an argument that the Giants actually took Flores seriously as a candidate.

Okay that’s not discrimination. That’s a team doing the bare minimum to not get fined for the Rooney rule. If Flores has proof that the Giants hired Daboll because of his skin color, then I’m all for this law suit.

But this just seems like a situation where a team already knew what coach they wanted. Wasn’t a race thing, but a very very clear football reason thing (like I pointed out in my order post). They had to interview Flores not to get fined. I get why Flores would be pissed about getting his time wasted. But I’m not seeing enough to sue the NFL and Giants over this.

[SOUL]

Giants hired Daboll because of how successful he was as the OC with Josh Allen as their QB. Giants have a big young QB with a big arm and also fast. Not crazy that they had their minds made up for Daboll to be their next coach.

I don’t think it’s racism because they already knew who they wanted their next coach to be. And again it’s a very easy and rational explanation on why they wanted Daboll.

If you’re going to sue the league, I would think he has more evidence that this was race based, either than just the Giants already knowing who they wanted as their next coach before they interviewed Flores.

It's a more NFL specific thing, imo, than a Giants specific thing (but probably what spurred him to make his decision to file a class action). Part of a bigger picture of there only being one current black head coach despite there being a number of openings every offseason. Also the whole Dolphins owner bribing him to lose on purpose and be a fall guy seems like something that should be extremely punishable/made to lose the team.

Interestingly enough, this article came out a few days ago before any of this which highlights some issues that were already there:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/black-nfl-head-coach-candidates-data-16815822.php

[JimmyPlopper]

Can someone please pinpoint where/when the discrimination took place?

I’m not saying it didn’t. I just haven’t seen it.

Because the Giants chose a candidate before interviewing Flores?

That may violate the Rooney Rule but I don’t see how it is discrimination. Maybe they just actually really really liked the other coach.

Is there more I haven’t seen?

I know my company has had openings that were always pegged for an internal candidate. Technically they had to list the opening externally and interview other candidates, but it was all just going through the motions. No racial motivation but just wanted to hire a specific person

[lakerz12]

Can someone please pinpoint where/when the discrimination took place?

I’m not saying it didn’t. I just haven’t seen it.

Because the Giants chose a candidate before interviewing Flores?

That may violate the Rooney Rule but I don’t see how it is discrimination. Maybe they just actually really really liked the other coach.

Is there more I haven’t seen?

If they had already chosen the other guy and interviewed Flores only to meet the conditions of the Rooney rule, do you not see how that's an issue?

Flores has good reason to believe that he was only interviewed to check off a box and that he was never a serious candidate for the position. Now, if he'd been interviewed prior to the other guy, you could at least make an argument that the Giants actually took Flores seriously as a candidate.

Huge speculation and reaching.

Was Flores not just a winning head coach in the NFL?

It would be smart for a team looking for a new head coach to schedule interviews with every good prospect.

Now, if we assume they were only interviewing him to placate the Rooney rule…is that discrimination?

No that’s literally not discrimination.

That’s placating a stupid rule.

Discrimination would be if they deliberately NOT CHOOSE Flores because of his race, gender, or other personal characteristic having nothing to do with football.

Any evidence of that?

[KingDavid]

What is so damning about the Belicheck text? It's possible the Giants already made up their mind first before they interviewed Flores. Now if they did the right thing to do could be to cancel the interview, but maybe they thought they could give Flores a chance to wow them or whatever.

They had to interview Flores. The Rooney rule makes it so teams have to interview a black coach before announcing who their next coach is.

The Rooney Rule:

The Rooney Rule is a National Football League policy that requires league teams to interview ethnic-minority candidates for head coaching and senior football operation jobs. It is an example of affirmative action, even though there is no hiring quota or hiring preference given to minorities, only an interviewing quota. It was established in 2003, and variations of the rule are now in place in other industries.

[Duke4life831]

What is so damning about the Belicheck text? It's possible the Giants already made up their mind first before they interviewed Flores. Now if they did the right thing to do could be to cancel the interview, but maybe they thought they could give Flores a chance to wow them or whatever.

They had to interview Flores. The Rooney rule makes it so teams have to interview a black coach before announcing who their next coach is.

The Rooney Rule:

The Rooney Rule is a National Football League policy that requires league teams to interview ethnic-minority candidates for head coaching and senior football operation jobs. It is an example of affirmative action, even though there is no hiring quota or hiring preference given to minorities, only an interviewing quota. It was established in 2003, and variations of the rule are now in place in other industries.

Ya I know, that’s exactly what I said it was.

[KingDavid]

Can someone please pinpoint where/when the discrimination took place?

I’m not saying it didn’t. I just haven’t seen it.

Because the Giants chose a candidate before interviewing Flores?

That may violate the Rooney Rule but I don’t see how it is discrimination. Maybe they just actually really really liked the other coach.

Is there more I haven’t seen?

If they had already chosen the other guy and interviewed Flores only to meet the conditions of the Rooney rule, do you not see how that's an issue?

Flores has good reason to believe that he was only interviewed to check off a box and that he was never a serious candidate for the position. Now, if he'd been interviewed prior to the other guy, you could at least make an argument that the Giants actually took Flores seriously as a candidate.

Huge speculation and reaching.

Was Flores not just a winning head coach in the NFL?

It would be smart for a team looking for a new head coach to schedule interviews with every good prospect.

Now, if we assume they were only interviewing him to placate the Rooney rule…is that discrimination?

No that’s literally not discrimination.

That’s placating a stupid rule.

Discrimination would be if they deliberately NOT CHOOSE Flores because of his race, gender, or other personal characteristic having nothing to do with football.

Any evidence of that?

According to the texts with BB, Daboll was already getting the job BEFORE Flores was scheduled to be interviewed. That's not how it's supposed to go.

And Flores stated that his interview with Elway was exactly that as they showed up to the meeting very late and very hungover. He never had a fair shot at getting hired with that team; that's the premise for that "stupid" rule.

[Sofia]

Bill Belichek, what a boomer

[SOUL]

I mean, on a micro level, if I was at a workplace and 31 out of 32 (Ron Rivera I guess isn't white but whatever) of my managers were white and around 60% of the staff were black, I'd find it bull that those were all the "best candidates". There is definitely an issue even if people hire for best fit/best candidate.