Former Miami Dolphins HC Brian Flores SUES the NFL FOR RACIAL DISCRIMINATION;owner offered HC $100k per loss 4 draft

[Nate505]

What is so damning about the Belicheck text? It's possible the Giants already made up their mind first before they interviewed Flores. Now if they did the right thing to do could be to cancel the interview, but maybe they thought they could give Flores a chance to wow them or whatever.

They had to interview Flores. The Rooney rule makes it so teams have to interview a black coach before announcing who their next coach is.

I did remember the Rooney rule, but also read that the Giants interviewed Leslie Frasier a day after Flores so it wouldn't have mattered if they interviewed him or not. That said I can also see why Flores would be peeved about it, that he believes they were only interviewing him to satisfy the Rooney rule...though in that case why bother interviewing Frasier.

[JDR720]

The Rooney Rule is dumb. Most of the time, teams know who they want to hire before they interview them.

If people don't want to be interviewed just so the team can follow a rule, the issue is the rule not the teams following it. It's wasting everyone's time and giving false hope to some of the candidates who aren't actually candidates.

[KingDavid]

They had to interview Flores. The Rooney rule makes it so teams have to interview a black coach before announcing who their next coach is.

The Rooney Rule:

The Rooney Rule is a National Football League policy that requires league teams to interview ethnic-minority candidates for head coaching and senior football operation jobs. It is an example of affirmative action, even though there is no hiring quota or hiring preference given to minorities, only an interviewing quota. It was established in 2003, and variations of the rule are now in place in other industries.

Ya I know, that’s exactly what I said it was.

Oh I wasn't correcting you, just giving the definition in case anyone wanted to know the specifics of it.

[Duke4life831]

Giants hired Daboll because of how successful he was as the OC with Josh Allen as their QB. Giants have a big young QB with a big arm and also fast. Not crazy that they had their minds made up for Daboll to be their next coach.

I don’t think it’s racism because they already knew who they wanted their next coach to be. And again it’s a very easy and rational explanation on why they wanted Daboll.

If you’re going to sue the league, I would think he has more evidence that this was race based, either than just the Giants already knowing who they wanted as their next coach before they interviewed Flores.

It's a more NFL specific thing, imo, than a Giants specific thing (but probably what spurred him to make his decision to file a class action). Part of a bigger picture of there only being one current black head coach despite there being a number of openings every offseason. Also the whole Dolphins owner bribing him to lose on purpose and be a fall guy seems like something that should be extremely punishable/made to lose the team.

Interestingly enough, this article came out a few days ago before any of this which highlights some issues that were already there:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/black-nfl-head-coach-candidates-data-16815822.php

I’m waiting to see actual evidence to come out about the owner bribing him to lose games. I assume if he has evidence for that, that owner will be forced to sell the team (rightfully so).

I get the point of all of this. What I’m saying is, if you’re going to bring a law suit, you better have some actual evidence of discrimination. It seems like the only evidence being shown at the moment is him knowing the Giants already chose Daboll before interviewing Flores and his allegations about Miami (which is a different situation all together).

[Duke4life831]

The Rooney Rule:

Ya I know, that’s exactly what I said it was.

Oh I wasn't correcting you, just giving the definition in case anyone wanted to know the specifics of it.

Oh haha my bad.

[SOUL]

I get the point of all of this. What I’m saying is, if you’re going to bring a law suit, you better have some actual evidence of discrimination. It seems like the only evidence being shown at the moment is him knowing the Giants already chose Daboll before interviewing Flores and his allegations about Miami (which is a different situation all together).

Going against the NFL is tough in general especially with (potentially) not much proof, but if you can't hurt them financially, the optics of this is going to bring some of the issues to light.

[falcolombardi]

Is there racism there? How can you say no? They’re so bad they force teams to interview black coaches and still there is currently one black head coach. It’s hilarious people are even asking this question when I’m old enough to remember black QBs being controversial in this league.

Having said that, Flores won’t win his case. NFL just has too much money and power and I don’t see how he’s going to be able to prove that racism was behind his firing and lack of work.

you mean black qb's were controversial in the 60's and earlier right?....right?

[KingDavid]

Giants hired Daboll because of how successful he was as the OC with Josh Allen as their QB. Giants have a big young QB with a big arm and also fast. Not crazy that they had their minds made up for Daboll to be their next coach.

I don’t think it’s racism because they already knew who they wanted their next coach to be. And again it’s a very easy and rational explanation on why they wanted Daboll.

If you’re going to sue the league, I would think he has more evidence that this was race based, either than just the Giants already knowing who they wanted as their next coach before they interviewed Flores.

It's a more NFL specific thing, imo, than a Giants specific thing (but probably what spurred him to make his decision to file a class action). Part of a bigger picture of there only being one current black head coach despite there being a number of openings every offseason. Also the whole Dolphins owner bribing him to lose on purpose and be a fall guy seems like something that should be extremely punishable/made to lose the team.

Interestingly enough, this article came out a few days ago before any of this which highlights some issues that were already there:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/black-nfl-head-coach-candidates-data-16815822.php

I’m waiting to see actual evidence to come out about the owner bribing him to lose games. I assume if he has evidence for that, that owner will be forced to sell the team (rightfully so).

I get the point of all of this. What I’m saying is, if you’re going to bring a law suit, you better have some actual evidence of discrimination. It seems like the only evidence being shown at the moment is him knowing the Giants already chose Daboll before interviewing Flores and his allegations about Miami (which is a different situation all together).

Yeah, the allegations against Stephen Ross, yikes. He's like a mega billionaire, I just can't see him slipping up and leaving a trail like that.

[Lunartic]

Unless there's further information - this ain't evidence of racism. Paying a coach to lose games on purpose is just sad and probably unethical but whatever.

Ask yourself, the owners of the NFL teams are businessmen and have to answer to their shareholders. Do you really think that if there was some uber-qualified, competent HC candidate available but he happened to be black in a league dominated by black people, he wouldn't be hired? They only care about profit.

But now that Flores is apparently okay with leaking private text messages and communications, I'm sure a team would just love to hire him moving forward.

[JDR720]

Yeah, the allegations against Stephen Ross, yikes. He's like a mega billionaire, I just can't see him slipping up and leaving a trail like that.

Kraft was just busted going to Florida massage parlors. Being wealthy doesn't necessarily mean being smart.

[azcatz11]

The John Elway anecdote is going to kill this. I really have no idea why that was included.

[Sofia]

Giants hired Daboll because of how successful he was as the OC with Josh Allen as their QB. Giants have a big young QB with a big arm and also fast. Not crazy that they had their minds made up for Daboll to be their next coach.

I don’t think it’s racism because they already knew who they wanted their next coach to be. And again it’s a very easy and rational explanation on why they wanted Daboll.

If you’re going to sue the league, I would think he has more evidence that this was race based, either than just the Giants already knowing who they wanted as their next coach before they interviewed Flores.

It's a more NFL specific thing, imo, than a Giants specific thing (but probably what spurred him to make his decision to file a class action). Part of a bigger picture of there only being one current black head coach despite there being a number of openings every offseason. Also the whole Dolphins owner bribing him to lose on purpose and be a fall guy seems like something that should be extremely punishable/made to lose the team.

Interestingly enough, this article came out a few days ago before any of this which highlights some issues that were already there:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/black-nfl-head-coach-candidates-data-16815822.php

I’m waiting to see actual evidence to come out about the owner bribing him to lose games. I assume if he has evidence for that, that owner will be forced to sell the team (rightfully so).

I get the point of all of this. What I’m saying is, if you’re going to bring a law suit, you better have some actual evidence of discrimination. It seems like the only evidence being shown at the moment is him knowing the Giants already chose Daboll before interviewing Flores and his allegations about Miami (which is a different situation all together).

It’s a civil suit, he doesn’t need “actual evidence” to prove it happened without doubt like a criminal matter requires. Circumstantial evidence to show that it probably happened will suffice.

[Duke4life831]

What is so damning about the Belicheck text? It's possible the Giants already made up their mind first before they interviewed Flores. Now if they did the right thing to do could be to cancel the interview, but maybe they thought they could give Flores a chance to wow them or whatever.

They had to interview Flores. The Rooney rule makes it so teams have to interview a black coach before announcing who their next coach is.

I did remember the Rooney rule, but also read that the Giants interviewed Leslie Frasier a day after Flores so it wouldn't have mattered if they interviewed him or not. That said I can also see why Flores would be peeved about it, that he believes they were only interviewing him to satisfy the Rooney rule...though in that case why bother interviewing Frasier.

I forgot about them interviewing Fraiser. And ya I totally get why Flores is pissed about the situation.

To be completely honest the situation could be as simple as this.

Giants had all of their interviews scheduled. Daboll could’ve been their favorite to begin with (again wouldn’t be surprising at all with what he was able to do with Allen). Then they had the interview with Daboll and that just reassured everything. Then they still had the Flores interview scheduled and went through with it, just in case Flores was a surprise hit.

A situation like that, really isn’t all that uncommon when conducting interviews for jobs in basically any work environment.

[JimmyPlopper]

The John Elway anecdote is going to kill this. I really have no idea why that was included.

Fill me in like craig david. I didn't see that part

[MrBigShot]

So essentially they brought him in to interview for a job they had no intention of hiring him for. Very bad look, but I imagine it would very tough to prove discrimination in court even with that text.

The bribing to lose thing seems like far and away the most damning here. I can't imagine the reaction if something like that were exposed in the NBA.

[KingDavid]

Unless there's further information - this ain't evidence of racism. Paying a coach to lose games on purpose is just sad and probably unethical but whatever.

Ask yourself, the owners of the NFL teams are businessmen and have to answer to their shareholders. Do you really think that if there was some uber-qualified, competent HC candidate available but he happened to be black in a league dominated by black people, he wouldn't be hired? They only care about profit.

But now that Flores is apparently okay with leaking private text messages and communications, I'm sure a team would just love to hire him moving forward.

An owner paying a contracted coach to throw games affects other teams. To add money under the table to throw games in a league where gambling is being pushed? It's a little bit bigger than "whatever". If the offer was 100k per loss and he accepted it, well we lost 11 games that season. Was that gain reported to the IRS?

[Duke4life831]

It's a more NFL specific thing, imo, than a Giants specific thing (but probably what spurred him to make his decision to file a class action). Part of a bigger picture of there only being one current black head coach despite there being a number of openings every offseason. Also the whole Dolphins owner bribing him to lose on purpose and be a fall guy seems like something that should be extremely punishable/made to lose the team.

Interestingly enough, this article came out a few days ago before any of this which highlights some issues that were already there:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/black-nfl-head-coach-candidates-data-16815822.php

I’m waiting to see actual evidence to come out about the owner bribing him to lose games. I assume if he has evidence for that, that owner will be forced to sell the team (rightfully so).

I get the point of all of this. What I’m saying is, if you’re going to bring a law suit, you better have some actual evidence of discrimination. It seems like the only evidence being shown at the moment is him knowing the Giants already chose Daboll before interviewing Flores and his allegations about Miami (which is a different situation all together).

Yeah, the allegations against Stephen Ross, yikes. He's like a mega billionaire, I just can't see him slipping up and leaving a trail like that.

Ya those are some hefty allegations. Again if they end up being true, Ross will lose his team and probably have some big legal issues coming his way.

I assume Flores has some kind of evidence to back up that meeting went down the way it did on the yacht.

[KingDavid]

Yeah, the allegations against Stephen Ross, yikes. He's like a mega billionaire, I just can't see him slipping up and leaving a trail like that.

Kraft was just busted going to Florida massage parlors. Being wealthy doesn't necessarily mean being smart.

......That's true.

[Duke4life831]

It's a more NFL specific thing, imo, than a Giants specific thing (but probably what spurred him to make his decision to file a class action). Part of a bigger picture of there only being one current black head coach despite there being a number of openings every offseason. Also the whole Dolphins owner bribing him to lose on purpose and be a fall guy seems like something that should be extremely punishable/made to lose the team.

Interestingly enough, this article came out a few days ago before any of this which highlights some issues that were already there:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/black-nfl-head-coach-candidates-data-16815822.php

I’m waiting to see actual evidence to come out about the owner bribing him to lose games. I assume if he has evidence for that, that owner will be forced to sell the team (rightfully so).

I get the point of all of this. What I’m saying is, if you’re going to bring a law suit, you better have some actual evidence of discrimination. It seems like the only evidence being shown at the moment is him knowing the Giants already chose Daboll before interviewing Flores and his allegations about Miami (which is a different situation all together).

It’s a civil suit, he doesn’t need “actual evidence” to prove it happened without doubt like a criminal matter requires. Circumstantial evidence to show that it probably happened will suffice.

Sure but this is lacking even circumstantial evidence. All we have is the Giants had made up their mind on who they wanted as their next coach before completely all of their interviews. That isn’t even enough for a civil suit.

[NyKnicks1714]

Is there racism there? How can you say no? They’re so bad they force teams to interview black coaches and still there is currently one black head coach. It’s hilarious people are even asking this question when I’m old enough to remember black QBs being controversial in this league.

Having said that, Flores won’t win his case. NFL just has too much money and power and I don’t see how he’s going to be able to prove that racism was behind his firing and lack of work.

They should start requiring interviews of Indian, Chinese, Korean, Russian, etc. coaches as well because I don’t think there any of those in the NFL.

The Rooney Rule just specifies that teams must interview an ethnic minority candidate, not a black candidate. But yes we see the narrative you're trying to push without regard for facts.