2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[dukes_wild]

If Serge is bought out, would we try and bring him back dirt cheap?

If he was open to return I would be in favour.
He isn't anywhere near the same guy he was when he was here last, but there is value in guys like Barnes, OG, and Precious having to bang against him in practice every day.

I don't think Ibaka practices a ton at this stage

Maybe the odd 5 on 5 scrimmage but like 90% of his practice would probably just be shoot-around

[Morris_Shatford]

If Serge is bought out, would we try and bring him back dirt cheap?

If he was open to return I would be in favour.
He isn't anywhere near the same guy he was when he was here last, but there is value in guys like Barnes, OG, and Precious having to bang against him in practice every day.

I don't think Ibaka practices a ton at this stage

Maybe the odd 5 on 5 scrimmage but like 90% of his practice would probably just be shoot-around

He seemed to work pretty closely with OG while he was here in whatever capacity that was.
From my perspective its maybe more about having a vet around who could assist some of the younger bigs and if he can play 10 - 15 MPG that would also be quite useful.

[Rodrickle]

everything you complained about was said ad nauseum on this board 5-6 years ago, same talk about only having robins, tear it down, why are raptors content to be good etc etc

yes it more than likely we wont repeat the blueprint from then, but tanking/picks are not guaranteed to make you any better than you are now and will only waste 2-3 years. and even if you hit on picks there is financial problems, see hawks.

the leap from bad to good is hard, the leap from good to contender level is a smaller leap. one trade, one draft pick that is amazing( and that pick doesn't necessarily need to be top of the lotto)

"why are raptors content to be good"

But that's the thing, we are not a good team. We are just okay. A lot of our wins have been against teams missing their best players, and some people are amazingly refusing to acknowledge that as a real factor.

The 60-win teams of prime Lowry and Derozan days would mop the floor with our current team, and they still weren't even close to being real contenders. We can get a bit of a boost this deadline when we deal Dragic and Boucher to shore up our bench and the C spot, but we are almost certainly folding in the 1st round when teams actually gameplan against us.

This team is far away from being a real contender and the only piece we have that will show star-level improvement might be Barnes. I'm just not a fan of the current team, call me a hater w/e. You have to seriously believe that FVV, Siakam, and OG still have serious room left to improve to really elevate this team. I don't see it. They are all peaking.

We're not a 60 win team right now, but with some minor tweaks we could be a 50-55 win team as early as next year. We're starting to get chemistry. We're still a very young team, and Scottie ( and possibly Trent) are likely to get better. Tanking by trading away our good vets who are only entering their prime would be horrible move right now.

Yes you normally need a top ten player to win it all, and this front office may think Scottie may become that. If he does, I think we're a title contender with an added big man and bench pieces along with internal development
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[Madhouse]

everything you complained about was said ad nauseum on this board 5-6 years ago, same talk about only having robins, tear it down, why are raptors content to be good etc etc

yes it more than likely we wont repeat the blueprint from then, but tanking/picks are not guaranteed to make you any better than you are now and will only waste 2-3 years. and even if you hit on picks there is financial problems, see hawks.

the leap from bad to good is hard, the leap from good to contender level is a smaller leap. one trade, one draft pick that is amazing( and that pick doesn't necessarily need to be top of the lotto)

"why are raptors content to be good"

But that's the thing, we are not a good team. We are just okay. A lot of our wins have been against teams missing their best players, and some people are amazingly refusing to acknowledge that as a real factor.

The 60-win teams of prime Lowry and Derozan days would mop the floor with our current team, and they still weren't even close to being real contenders. We can get a bit of a boost this deadline when we deal Dragic and Boucher to shore up our bench and the C spot, but we are almost certainly folding in the 1st round when teams actually gameplan against us.

This team is far away from being a real contender and the only piece we have that will show star-level improvement might be Barnes. I'm just not a fan of the current team, call me a hater w/e. You have to seriously believe that FVV, Siakam, and OG still have serious room left to improve to really elevate this team. I don't see it. They are all peaking.

We're not a 60 win team right now, but with some minor tweaks we could be a 50-55 win team as early as next year. We're starting to get chemistry. We're still a very young team, and Scottie ( and possibly Trent) are likely to get better. Tanking by trading away our good vets who are only entering their prime would be horrible move right now.

Yes you normally need a top ten player to win it all, and this front office may think Scottie may become that. If he does, I think we're a title contender with an added big man and bench pieces along with internal development
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we'll probably be what Memphis is this year, next year. Title contender seems unlikely but we will a lot of regular season games.

[brownbobcat]

"why are raptors content to be good"

But that's the thing, we are not a good team. We are just okay. A lot of our wins have been against teams missing their best players, and some people are amazingly refusing to acknowledge that as a real factor.

The 60-win teams of prime Lowry and Derozan days would mop the floor with our current team, and they still weren't even close to being real contenders. We can get a bit of a boost this deadline when we deal Dragic and Boucher to shore up our bench and the C spot, but we are almost certainly folding in the 1st round when teams actually gameplan against us.

This team is far away from being a real contender and the only piece we have that will show star-level improvement might be Barnes. I'm just not a fan of the current team, call me a hater w/e. You have to seriously believe that FVV, Siakam, and OG still have serious room left to improve to really elevate this team. I don't see it. They are all peaking.

It's year 1 of the rebuild, what do you expect exactly - championship or tank? 2 superstars or else blow it up? You could go through a lot of drafts and not grab anyone close to being as good as Siakam, FVV or even OG (who's 24, improved every year, but somehow "peaking"). It took time to build up the Lowry/DeRozan Raptors, it didn't happen overnight. And even if that squad never won a championship, it still would've been a worthwhile effort because the whole point of the game is to compete and try to get better.

People who can't seem to grasp that should just exclusively follow super-teams or whoever happens to be the 1-2 seed each year.

[Ell Curry]

Toronto trades Dragic + Flynn + 1st + filler
Orlando trades Bamba + Harris

Orlando is in rebuild mode. They signed Wendell Carter Jr. to an big contract and presumably will pair him with Isaac who is already on a long term deal. Bamba is approaching RFA status with an ~$10M qualifying offer this summer. It doesn’t make sense for the Magic to try and retain Bamba after the Carter signing. Turning Bamba into a late 1st round pick is a solid return.

Toronto hopes to solve its big problem moving forward as well as bench scoring issues this year. Bamba obviously provides size and rim protection but he has also developed the ability to make 3s this year. Harris is a good defender and can provide scoring off the bench and is a good 3pt shooter. He started slow this year but has seemed to find his form.

I can see the Raptors making the QO to Bamba to see if he can be a long term piece. He is a better option than anyone you’d draft with a late 1st in terms of being able to contribute during the current core’s timeline.

I think if we pay Bamba we're not going to keep Boucher, so it's possible we could get Bamba without giving up a first, if Orlando is looking to get off of Ross' money next year:

Raptors - Bamba, Ross
Magic - Team X, 2nd rounder from Toronto,
Team X- Boucher, Flynn

There's also the possibility of swapping our first for the Magic's 31st and/or 37th picks.

[Ell Curry]

This would not be exciting, but if Satoransky gets bought out, he might make sense for us as a big combo guard. Having a horrific year, but the Pelicans are always a mess and he was a decent 7-8th man type in Chicago.

[Raptors_128]

If Serge is bought out, would we try and bring him back dirt cheap?

I think he’s going straight to the Nets if bought-out.

[NotMyKawhi]

I'd like to get one of the grizzlies 1sts for boucher. They have 3 1sts in the 2022 draft. I'm sure they'd give up one to improve their Playoff chances.

The Grizzlies are stacked, one of the best teams, young, have a superstar. A legit #2 in JJJ. Bane is a stud. brooks, Clarke, Ziaire williams, Melton, Steven Adams.

Max money this off-season. They're set for a long time. I'd go after beal. imaige

Ja/ Melton
Beal/ Brooks
Bane/ Ziare
JJJ / Clarke
Adams / boucher

[execoftheyear]

With the recent Dinwiddie rumours, he would be perfect off the bench. Dragic for Dinwiddie and then sign or trade for a big and we should be good. Dinwiddie's contract isn't too bad, his third year is a team option/partially guaranteed. Plus he's another g-league come up lol...fits our identity.

[Madhouse]

I'd like to get one of the grizzlies 1sts for boucher. They have 3 1sts in the 2022 draft. I'm sure they'd give up one to improve their Playoff chances.

The Grizzlies are stacked, one of the best teams, young, have a superstar. A legit #2 in JJJ. Bane is a stud. brooks, Clarke, Ziaire williams, Melton, Steven Adams.

Max money this off-season. They're set for a long time. I'd go after beal. imaige

Ja/ Melton
Beal/ Brooks
Bane/ Ziare
JJJ / Clarke
Adams / boucher

Grizzlies should keep their picks and try to get a superstar.

[RapsFanInOhio]

I mentioned this in the PG thread tonight, but if there’s ever a deadline to make a deal I feel like this is the one. We have the assets to do it, we can avoid the tax, and we need the depth. They’re too good to tank, which means you can probably cross off a top-10 pick being an option at this point, and if that’s the case the only decision that needs to be made is whether you feel like a mid-1st is more valuable long term with our salary situation than adding rotation players.

So here’s a few options and I apologize as I’m sure these have been posted already:

Poeltl and McDermott for Dragic, Flynn, 2022 first unprotected, 2023 second

First, Poeltl and McDermott are two very good players, so this probably isn’t enough, but these two guys are flat out rotation players and make us super scary as soon as this year. They’re adding 25 mpg each and bring two things we lack - rim protection and bench scoring. The downside for us is that Poeltl expires next year with FVV and GTJ; McDermott’s deal extends into 2024, so you’re likely looking at a tax scenario in 23-24 if everyone comes back. On the flip side, we likely can avoid it next year and with the expanding cap in 25 you may not be looking at costly repeater taxes. All that said, I love this deal for us so it probably isn’t realistic.

For San Antonio, again, this may not be enough. However, it fits where they logically have to go with that roster - adding two more first rounders to their core this summer (ours and their own) and suddenly you’ve really got something brewing there. You’re not competing for anything this year anyway, and Poeltl is unplayable at times so he probably doesn’t have the value you might think. McDermott doesn’t have a bad contract and he probably ages okay because of the shooting, but he also likely won’t be around for the next great SA team.

Kelly Olynyk and Cory Joseph for Dragic, Flynn, and a second.

This deal also gives us some depth, most importantly at the PG spot where we could use it the most. Olynyk isn’t the best interior defender but he’s another guy you can throw at Embiid come playoff time and he also fits with all of Precious, Boucher, and Birch. The cost isn’t much, although eating Olynyk’s deal in 2024 is a tough pill to swallow. We keep the first this year which helps from a roster construction standpoint.

Detroit gives up two guys that won’t be there for Flynn and a pick. Not a bad haul for them.

[Rapsfan07]

see this is where it gets tricky. Are their values at all time highs or can they still continue to get better? I think they still have room to grow if we start winning more games. If Masai manages to get some quality bench players at the deadline while keeping the core intact and we start winning more games, best believe their values will increase even more. They'll increase even more if they can keep this up during the playoffs.

True but I want a championship and I don't see a cornerstone of a contender on this roster.

I think Siakam and FVV are about as good as they'll ever get. OG and Trent are growing and still have another level to get to. Barnes still has quite a ways to go.

Oh and we really only about a year and a half to sort it. So I'd really rather prevent our guys from getting exposed and make a move to go all in or commit to a full scale rebuild. I see little point in straddling the fence.

exposed? How so? It's not like FVV, OG or Siakam have never played at this level in the past. They're proven commodities. Teams aren't going to all of sudden forget that these were integral pieces to a championship team. Raptors fans need to let those insecurities go, teams want our players.

Right but they've never had THESE roles in the playoffs and as you know, the playoffs is where the boys get separated from the men.

Perhaps more importantly though is that we need to be conscious of the time. Next season in Vanvleets final guaranteed season and again, you'll know that you almost never get full value when you're trading an expiring contract. If we don't become a contender in the next year or so, I see no reason for FVV to spend his prime here unless we seriously overpay which is never a good idea

[execoftheyear]

True but I want a championship and I don't see a cornerstone of a contender on this roster.

I think Siakam and FVV are about as good as they'll ever get. OG and Trent are growing and still have another level to get to. Barnes still has quite a ways to go.

Oh and we really only about a year and a half to sort it. So I'd really rather prevent our guys from getting exposed and make a move to go all in or commit to a full scale rebuild. I see little point in straddling the fence.

exposed? How so? It's not like FVV, OG or Siakam have never played at this level in the past. They're proven commodities. Teams aren't going to all of sudden forget that these were integral pieces to a championship team. Raptors fans need to let those insecurities go, teams want our players.

Right but they've never had THESE roles in the playoffs and as you know, the playoffs is where the boys get separated from the men.

Perhaps more importantly though is that we need to be conscious of the time. Next season in Vanvleets final guaranteed season and again, you'll know that you almost never get full value when you're trading an expiring contract. If we don't become a contender in the next year or so, I see no reason for FVV to spend his prime here unless we seriously overpay which is never a good idea

I feel like Fred's game will age well similar to Lowry's. He's just one of those players that doesn't rely so much on athleticism to be effective. We "overpaid" Lowry at the time he signed a max contract and that turned out well for us. FVV just strikes me as the type of player that will continue to work hard even when he gets his bag and I credit Lowry (and Derozan) for being such a great mentor for our young guys.

[Gold Dragon]

CLE gets: Dragic + Flynn
TOR gets: TRoss + Bamba
ORL gets: Rubio + Windler + TOR 2022 1st (top 4 protected) +SAS 2022 2nd (from CLE)

Bench bigs: Precious, Birch, Boucher, Bamba, Champagnie, Yuta, DJ Wilson
Bench wings/guards: Ross, Banton, Svi, Bonga

[HumbleRen]

[dukes_wild]

Honestly the Turner injury might be a blessing in disguise. He's fools gold. Soft big who just takes jumpers and hunts for blocks. He's not a game changing 5 on either side of the ball.

[HumbleRen]

Honestly the Turner injury might be a blessing in disguise. He's fools gold. Soft big who just takes jumpers and hunts for blocks. He's not a game changing 5 on either side of the ball.

What would be an acceptable but realistic trade for you with that package ?

[Rodrickle]

There's really no reason for the Celtics to trade him. His contract is a steal too

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[Psubs]

I wouldn't mind Ibaka and Bledsoe for Boucher, Dragic and say Mihaliuk or Bonga (to make money line up--we apparently have to take a bit less.

They would save so much on taxes next season while not totally tanking even though PG and Kawhi are out.

Ibaka is good off the bench for 22-24 mpg. If a matchup against Jokic or Embiid maybe he gets the start.