Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition

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We should target teams over tax to trade our veterans for expiring contracts. One trade that comes to my mind is Beverley for Kemba. That would put Minny under the tax and we would get rid of Kemba’s salary for next year.

I am sure there are other options. The worse the player we get would be better for forcing Thibs to just play the youth. Heck we can just do the trade and buy out the incoming player.

[thebuzzardman]

Everyone has their pet ways to build the team.

There's The Tankers.
The Free Agent Nuthuggers.
The Blended Approach Gang.
The All In or All Out Crew
etc
And then the variations where people put in their favorite players or team composition make up and then stake out hills to die on.

It's always pretty simple in concept, just hard in actual execution.

Talent acquisition
Asset management*

*Where asset management is paying players their proper value in actual $ and years, so they are not roster burdens and easily moved, and where that enables roster flexibility, either in the context of being under the cap or over the cap. And cap management, in terms of years being over and for who is part of asset management, where any stances taken (we're in to win now!) don't cripple future moves or ability to restack.

The order of events doesn't specifically manner.
We can ARGUE it's better to tank first, where, with a FO having actual ability in drafting (talent acquisition) can get the cheap young "building bloc" and then add the FA's after, and considering how $ get handed out, that's probably true. But it doesn't have to be.

It's the same way that trading for older expensive players isn't necessarily bad, depending on situation and context.
CP3 was fine for the Suns because they had a base of youth and whatever happened with him, it was ok.
Even Beal coming to the Knicks, if it shed Fournier/Kemba/some fungible youth in IQ and maybe Obi, wouldn't be the end of the world if the Knicks kept enough picks and youth around to continue building when the Beal experiment went south.

I'm not advocating for Beal. I'd dislike it. But there are ways stuff like this can happen where it's not the end of the world.
Fox is a younger version of the story. It's basically an exchange of Randle's salary and even style from PF to PG. If you consider the modern NBA as everything from 1-4 is damn near "a wing", then it's kind of treadmill. But, if the team likes giving Obi a shot, nothing specifically wrong with it. Again, not advocating and it's another scenario I doubt happens.

Eh, anyway, this was more a general point. Teams can add players. They can trade players. They can be over or under the cap. It's about getting talent any way possible and managing the money so the team isn't hamstrung, or not for long. A team should only kind of paint itself into a corner very briefly under the strongest of championship run scenarios.

[thebuzzardman]

Last thought, and I hardly think it's unique.

I could give a sh*t if the Knicks traded Randle or Obi, IQ or maybe Grimes, RJ or Cam, Mitch or Noel, whoever.
Sure, I'd prefer it when the Knicks keep a youth worth keeping, when that's the case.
But mainly, I just care if they make the RIGHT moves.

Like, if they can trade Randle and build with Obi and it turns out to be a good move, fine.
They could keep Randle and Obi and if it works out, fine.
They could trade Obi and keep Randle and it works out, fine.

My main preference is the FO be any good.

[Chanel Bomber]

Everyone has their pet ways to build the team.

There's The Tankers.
The Free Agent Nuthuggers.
The Blended Approach Gang.
The All In or All Out Crew
etc
And then the variations where people put in their favorite players or team composition make up and then stake out hills to die on.

It's always pretty simple in concept, just hard in actual execution.

Talent acquisition
Asset management*

*Where asset management is paying players their proper value in actual $ and years, so they are not roster burdens and easily moved, and where that enables roster flexibility, either in the context of being under the cap or over the cap. And cap management, in terms of years being over and for who is part of asset management, where any stances taken (we're in to win now!) don't cripple future moves or ability to restack.

The order of events doesn't specifically manner.
We can ARGUE it's better to tank first, where, with a FO having actual ability in drafting (talent acquisition) can get the cheap young "building bloc" and then add the FA's after, and considering how $ get handed out, that's probably true. But it doesn't have to be.

It's the same way that trading for older expensive players isn't necessarily bad, depending on situation and context.
CP3 was fine for the Suns because they had a base of youth and whatever happened with him, it was ok.
Even Beal coming to the Knicks, if it shed Fournier/Kemba/some fungible youth in IQ and maybe Obi, wouldn't be the end of the world if the Knicks kept enough picks and youth around to continue building when the Beal experiment went south.

I'm not advocating for Beal. I'd dislike it. But there are ways stuff like this can happen where it's not the end of the world.
Fox is a younger version of the story. It's basically an exchange of Randle's salary and even style from PF to PG. If you consider the modern NBA as everything from 1-4 is damn near "a wing", then it's kind of treadmill. But, if the team likes giving Obi a shot, nothing specifically wrong with it. Again, not advocating and it's another scenario I doubt happens.

Eh, anyway, this was more a general point. Teams can add players. They can trade players. They can be over or under the cap. It's about getting talent any way possible and managing the money so the team isn't hamstrung, or not for long. A team should only kind of paint itself into a corner very briefly under the strongest of championship run scenarios.

The best course of action can't be decided purely based on theory or ideology (not that you suggested otherwise).

The trade market, the free agent market, the value of your own assets, your ability to put yourself in a position to tank, and your ability to evaluate talent in the draft - all those factors should impact your decision-making.

I personally believe the Knicks should blow up their core (and keep some of their young pieces) because I think its ceiling is a treadmill team and some of the players are particularly conducive to that outcome. Not to mention, the current trade market is particularly weak, and our cheap assets likely will no longer be viewed as such (see extensions for Mitch, RJ, Cam, picks conveying) when the landscape finally changes and legit stars are available via trade.

The Knicks had the misfortune of finally having a winning season and having cap space (two key assets to attract free agents) in a year where no difference maker was unrestricted, besides Kawhi who was not going to leave LA.

But if - say - two of Damian Lillard, James Harden and Bradley Beal tell their agents they want to come to the Knicks, and the possibility of brining in a third star via trade presents itself, then it might be wiser to trade shed some of our contracts on draft night and maneuver accordingly, even if it means losing young players and draft picks. And not give away our plan a year too early like Donnie Walsh and Steve Mills did.

But I think in this instance the context suggests that blowing up the core of this team and acquiring draft picks would be the best course of action. But maybe Leon Rose can pull a miracle, or orchestrate a move for Zion, who I think should be the Knicks #1 target.

PS: Interesting point about a Randle-Fox swap putting Obi in a better position to succeed. The flip side however is that some of our younger perimeter players would be further relegated to an off-ball role, which may or may not be a desirable outcome.

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Maybe the Knicks do the massive overpay for a big name

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Interesting

[Zenzibar]

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[br7knicks]

I hate Westbrook, and the thought of him in a knicks uniform makes me want to throw up.


But the dude makes some good points about how he'd help out, as well as technically shedding some salary

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/why-knicks-trading-russell-westbrook-135945026.html

[br7knicks]

And actually, mixing Westbrook with IQ and Obi would be fun as **** to watch

[HarthorneWingo]

And actually, mixing Westbrook with IQ and Obi would be fun as **** to watch

Oh boy. I never would’ve suspected you!

[HarthorneWingo]

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Maybe the Knicks do the massive overpay for a big name

I thought we were brothers.

[br7knicks]

And actually, mixing Westbrook with IQ and Obi would be fun as **** to watch

Oh boy. I never would’ve suspected you!

Hey, hey, hey. Read my previous post. I stand by my pile of regurgitation if Westbrook puts on a knicks jersey.


ALL I'm saying is that the guy made some good points lol.


But you are right in thinking that me wanting Westbrook on the knicks is not something anyone shouldve thought, if they've been around long enough.

Who knows, at this rate, next week I may something like, "yes, the knicks were right to get melo, were smart to do so, and it was a great idea that worked out so well."

Lol my dad would assume I'm on some heavy drugs if he ever heard me mutter something positive about melo on the knicks.

[HarthorneWingo]

And actually, mixing Westbrook with IQ and Obi would be fun as **** to watch

Oh boy. I never would’ve suspected you!

Hey, hey, hey. Read my previous post. I stand by my pile of regurgitation if Westbrook puts on a knicks jersey.


ALL I'm saying is that the guy made some good points lol.


But you are right in thinking that me wanting Westbrook on the knicks is not something anyone shouldve thought, if they've been around long enough.

Who knows, at this rate, next week I may something like, "yes, the knicks were right to get melo, were smart to do so, and it was a great idea that worked out so well."

Lol my dad would assume I'm on some heavy drugs if he ever heard me mutter something positive about melo on the knicks.

Yeah, I saw that after. You certainly changed your mind quickly.

I could see it working if Westbrook had his own unit to run.

Westbrook
Grimes
RJ
Obi
Mitch

[br7knicks]

Oh boy. I never would’ve suspected you!

Hey, hey, hey. Read my previous post. I stand by my pile of regurgitation if Westbrook puts on a knicks jersey.


ALL I'm saying is that the guy made some good points lol.


But you are right in thinking that me wanting Westbrook on the knicks is not something anyone shouldve thought, if they've been around long enough.

Who knows, at this rate, next week I may something like, "yes, the knicks were right to get melo, were smart to do so, and it was a great idea that worked out so well."

Lol my dad would assume I'm on some heavy drugs if he ever heard me mutter something positive about melo on the knicks.

Yeah, I saw that after. You certainly changed your mind quickly.

I could see it working if Westbrook had his own unit to run.

Westbrook
Grimes
RJ
Obi
Mitch

i definitely don't see randle and westbrook mixing well at all. randle is already sulking, terribly. now let's take main play maker duty away from him? dude would be terrible in the locker room, most likely.


MAYBE there's a chance that westbrook would have such a positive impact that randle realizes he shouldn't have an offense run through him, and it actually takes enough pressure off of him that his game returns to last year's level.


but i won't hold my breath...asthmatic.

[spree2kawhi]

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Beverley’s is a nice contract.

[spree2kawhi]

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Interesting

Bledsoe‘s is a beautiful contract.

[phuqtup1]

The Toronto Raptors are exploring the trade market by offering the expiring contract of Goran Dragic and a first round pick, sources tell Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report.

The Raptors discussed that scenario with the Indiana Pacers on a deal for Myles Turner before he suffered a stress fracture in his foot.

With the Raptors seeking frontcourt help, they have also been linked with Robert Williams. Williams and the Boston Celtics agreed to a four-year, $55 million extension in August.

JAKE FISCHER/BLEACHER REPORT

[spree2kawhi]

Oh boy. I never would’ve suspected you!

Hey, hey, hey. Read my previous post. I stand by my pile of regurgitation if Westbrook puts on a knicks jersey.


ALL I'm saying is that the guy made some good points lol.


But you are right in thinking that me wanting Westbrook on the knicks is not something anyone shouldve thought, if they've been around long enough.

Who knows, at this rate, next week I may something like, "yes, the knicks were right to get melo, were smart to do so, and it was a great idea that worked out so well."

Lol my dad would assume I'm on some heavy drugs if he ever heard me mutter something positive about melo on the knicks.

Yeah, I saw that after. You certainly changed your mind quickly.

I could see it working if Westbrook had his own unit to run.

Westbrook
Grimes
RJ
Obi
Mitch

Westbrook would actually work well in Philly with all that shooting.

Westbrook
Curry
Korkmaz/Green
Harris
Embiid

[msanchez2725]

Would you trade Randle and Barrett for Donovan Mitchell?And do you think Utah would pull the trigger? Because a lineup of Donovan/Grimes/Cam/Obi/Mitch would be pretty fun.