Ben Simmons/Sixers/Is he getting fined? (updated)

[HMFFL]

Ben Simmons and Markell's Fultz. Two number one picks who had major mental issues develop in their games-- both about shooting.

Most obvious common factor--Sixers. Is this just really bad luck or is there more to this story that links these two?

We live in an era where mental health is the primary excuse for many. Ben has forever wanted to be a Laker, we have known this, Magic Johnson tossed bread crumbs on floor in the past, but some people ignore the facts. Golden State is option #2. Use mental health to get what you want is the popular thing to do and it's happening in several leagues.

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[dhsilv2]

What buy the sixers time is maxey developing to a pointguard offensive status equal to Simmons and even Seth curry having a career season .
It’s hard to have an off-season during the middle of the season especially with such a big piece .

They almost gave bigger fish to fry as in what they want to do with Harris who is an having a rough season . When you practically have the superstars replacement already ( Simmons and maxey ) maybe you need a longer look at how to improve the team .

Doc rivers is pretty underrated here. Granted he isn’t elite but I think he got voted as a bottom 1/3 coach which I wouldn’t agree.
Just goes to show that coaching isn’t as bad as maybe other years .

Doc's a good player developer with young guys and I think we saw that on the Clippers. He's not a great x's and o's or game strategy guy. Essentially, doc would be an OKC rebuild dream coach. I don't want him coaching a contender.

That said you nailed both why the 76ers are looking better despite the loss of Simmons AND why it's so hard to now trade Simmons. Harris is sucking but he's still a legit starter and he takes up 36M in salary. Meanwhile Maxey is looking like a possible future low level allstar and Curry is playing great. So now all these guys that the 76ers could have traded for potentially make no sense on this team. You don't need another small guard like Fox or CJ who aren't much better than Maxey and don't project to stay much better even next year.

[dhsilv2]

Ben Simmons and Markell's Fultz. Two number one picks who had major mental issues develop in their games-- both about shooting.

Most obvious common factor--Sixers. Is this just really bad luck or is there more to this story that links these two?

We live in an era where mental health is the primary excuse for many. Ben has forever wanted to be a Laker, we have known this, Magic Johnson tossed bread crumbs on floor in the past, but some people ignore the facts. Golden State is option #2. Use mental health to get what you want is the popular thing to do and it's happening in several leagues.

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We've had a LOT of players over the years clearly dealing with mental health and it was bad for their careers and lives.

[Creativetran]

Ben Simmons has made mental health a complete joke. Fine him until he plays, or the next CBA is going to install a rule for people like him

For real, I can't believe he is getting away with this BS...

[SelfishPlayer]

Harden is an elite player, why did you phrase this like him being in trade talks for Harden is some despicable move on the part of the Sixers? Embiid and Doc messed up with what they said to the media last year, but since then Doc, Embiid, and Ben's teammates have trend to mend things. Thybulle went on record saying he's the one that missed the FTs and didn't understand why Ben got all the flack. Embiid addressed the crowd and asked them to support Ben, and publicly praised him.

Obviously things didn't work out and things went south after that. But Simmons could have put it behind him and done something special this season, look at how good the Sixers look right now. This situation definitely could have played out differently.

It wasn't just simple trade talks, ownership hired Morey with the belief that he could get it done. Now the Sixers are still beating a dead horse (Harden's aquisition for Simmons) for what will be a third off-season coming up this summer. As long as Morey is with the Sixers Harden rumors will exist.

Harden won't be in the league forever. Morey isn't going anywhere. They hired Morey because he is the ideal GM for the 76ers and he's the most similar guy they could get to Hinkie who the owners clearly liked and who knew how to discuss basketball in ways they understood.

There is no such thing as an ideal GM that has never taken a team to the Finals. Harden not being in the league forever is a Morey problem much like Duncan not being in the league forever is a Pop problem.

[bbalnation]

Ben Simmons and Markell's Fultz. Two number one picks who had major mental issues develop in their games-- both about shooting.

Most obvious common factor--Sixers. Is this just really bad luck or is there more to this story that links these two?

We live in an era where mental health is the primary excuse for many. Ben has forever wanted to be a Laker, we have known this, Magic Johnson tossed bread crumbs on floor in the past, but some people ignore the facts. Golden State is option #2. Use mental health to get what you want is the popular thing to do and it's happening in several leagues.

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Can you cite some proven examples from the NBA where its been clear that a player (other than Ben Simmons) has used mental health as an excuse to get what they want?

You have a lot of confidence and feelings in this stance. Id like to see it backed by some facts?

[dhsilv2]

It wasn't just simple trade talks, ownership hired Morey with the belief that he could get it done. Now the Sixers are still beating a dead horse (Harden's aquisition for Simmons) for what will be a third off-season coming up this summer. As long as Morey is with the Sixers Harden rumors will exist.

Harden won't be in the league forever. Morey isn't going anywhere. They hired Morey because he is the ideal GM for the 76ers and he's the most similar guy they could get to Hinkie who the owners clearly liked and who knew how to discuss basketball in ways they understood.

There is no such thing as an ideal GM that has never taken a team to the Finals. Harden not being in the league forever is a Morey problem much like Duncan not being in the league forever is a Pop problem.

Both these statements couldn't be more false. Morey was a great GM before Harden and has been great for the 76ers so far as well. Morey at this point is one of the most important and impactful people in NBA history. His impact on the league and the game will be felt for generations to come.

[kuclas]

Ben Simmons and Markell's Fultz. Two number one picks who had major mental issues develop in their games-- both about shooting.

Most obvious common factor--Sixers. Is this just really bad luck or is there more to this story that links these two?

We live in an era where mental health is the primary excuse for many. Ben has forever wanted to be a Laker, we have known this, Magic Johnson tossed bread crumbs on floor in the past, but some people ignore the facts. Golden State is option #2. Use mental health to get what you want is the popular thing to do and it's happening in several leagues.

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We've had a LOT of players over the years clearly dealing with mental health and it was bad for their careers and lives.

Those players actually cooperated with their teams. Actually showed up.

Simmons real reason for not showing up cause he just doesn’t want to be on the team. All good and all. But he’s under contract. The issue hasn’t been handled well by both sides.

At the end of the day. Simmons really has no leverage as the ESPN article Stated. Even klutch sports has come to realize this.

It will be interesting how long this drags out.

[Nate505]

Simmons could be the worst person on planet Earth and that still wouldn't change the fact that a toxic work environment is hurtful to someone's mental health. I mean, that's something that you can see every day. A toxic work environmental is detrimental to everyone's mental health, even to people who don't struggle from mental health issues. Now, imagine what it can do to someone who does suffer from mental health issues.

Great. He should probably retire then. It's obvious if the 6ers are a "toxic work environment" to him then any NBA team will be eventually.

Why do you think that? Simmons wouldn't be the first player to have a particular problem with a certain team and be totally fine in another. When bridges are burned between a player and a team's management/coaching staff it doesn't extend to the rest of the league. It only pertains to these particular individuals.

Why? Because his whiney little complaints seem to be about how his teammates criticized him and how the fans are doing so. That's kind of a universal thing in professional sports where location plays little part in how that goes. The fact he's going to these lengths just shows what a weak fragile mind he has, which also isn't great when it comes to professional sports.

[dhsilv2]

We live in an era where mental health is the primary excuse for many. Ben has forever wanted to be a Laker, we have known this, Magic Johnson tossed bread crumbs on floor in the past, but some people ignore the facts. Golden State is option #2. Use mental health to get what you want is the popular thing to do and it's happening in several leagues.

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We've had a LOT of players over the years clearly dealing with mental health and it was bad for their careers and lives.

Those players actually cooperated with their teams. Actually showed up.

Simmons real reason for not showing up cause he just doesn’t want to be on the team. All good and all. But he’s under contract. The issue hasn’t been handled well by both sides.

At the end of the day. Simmons really has no leverage as the ESPN article Stated. Even klutch sports has come to realize this.

It will be interesting how long this drags out.

meanwhile they slipped down the rocky road into drugs and alcohol abuse to address their depression and mental issues. Simmons could be full of crap here, but people dismissing mental health need to stop.

[kuclas]

We've had a LOT of players over the years clearly dealing with mental health and it was bad for their careers and lives.

Those players actually cooperated with their teams. Actually showed up.

Simmons real reason for not showing up cause he just doesn’t want to be on the team. All good and all. But he’s under contract. The issue hasn’t been handled well by both sides.

At the end of the day. Simmons really has no leverage as the ESPN article Stated. Even klutch sports has come to realize this.

It will be interesting how long this drags out.

meanwhile they slipped down the rocky road into drugs and alcohol abuse to address their depression and mental issues. Simmons could be full of crap here, but people dismissing mental health need to stop.

People are very skeptical of Simmons issue. He has a right to privacy. But this has not been handled well.

I think klutch is to blame 90%. Just say Simmons needs time off. Period. Don’t say he request a trade People would respect the mental aspect but not still request a trade.

The mental aspect needs to be address first. If his mental illness is with the team (which it seems). It’s a very slippery rope since he’s under long term contract.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Ben Simmons is just wasting his career away.

What point is he trying to prove exactly? Sixers look great without him. Embiid is an MVP candidate.

He has become a meme and the most hated athlete in Philly.

If he just came back and played well they could have easily have traded him by now.

[phanman]

As someone who has battled with mental health, posts like this are a joke. When I eventually told friends and family what I had been through they thought I was joking. From the outside, I had a fantastic life. Amazing friends/family, well travelled, successful business owner yet still battled that ****. It took me years to get through that ****. So unless you are Ben, then you have absolutely no idea.

I actually posted that I think he had mental health issues dating back to last year when he was playing. His on court issues with not shooting 3’s is a huge red flag but the biggest thing is the off court issues surrounding his sister and brother. Ever since that came out there has been a clear drop in his play and attitude throw in the stuff with the playoffs where he took the blame for the teams failures (even though plenty were at fault), then I can see why he’s going through what he is.

Or you know... you've been bamboozled. It's pretty damn telling that he didn't go through the proper channels to ensure he doesn't get fined with his mental health excuse. The only reason why the 76ers are able to actually fine him with this mental health issues, is because he has refused to be transparent with the whole process in getting help.

He played pretty damn well in the first round against the Wizards

The NBPA is one of these proper channels, though. And when the Sixers asked to co-operate with a team psychologist, he did that as well (granted, he didn't do it right away, he delayed that).

From all the reports/articles I have read, he hasn't been transparent with the 76ers organization/medical staff. Therefore, they have continued to be able to fine him. You think that if he was doing everything correctly in regards to getting help and keeping his employer informed that he 76ers would just be able to continue do so?

Straight from the Ramona article: https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33188431/the-specter-saga-haunts-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers

...But the goodwill didn't last long. Simmons refused the mental health services offered by the team, instead telling the Sixers he was seeing a mental health professional he'd found through the National Basketball Players Association but wasn't comfortable sharing details.

...He has worked out separately with his own group of trainers, according to sources close to Simmons. He has organized his own runs with local players. He has lifted weights at a local fitness club that's open to the general public. He has seen his own therapist but hasn't shared information about his treatment with the team. He's living in the Moorestown, New Jersey, house he put up for sale months ago.

Pretty damn revealing.

As far as i know Vince didn't refuse to play.

He asked, it took time, then he just tanked it intentionally.

Which when you compared to what Simmons is doing now, was handle a whole lot better than what Simmons is doing currently abandoning his team and so-called brothers. He may not be close with Doc/Embiid but there has to a be a few guys on the squad/organization that he was close with during his tenure with the 76ers.

[Impuniti]

76ers are up s***'s creek. They've stopped fining Simmons and probably can only trade him to a few places because best believe Paul has been telling certain teams/markets to trade for Ben at their own risk because he won't be happy there. The endgame for Paul is still to eventually get Simmons to the Lakers to team up with AD to form the new post-Lebron core.

Which isn't possible at all.

[Johnny Bball]

Or you know... you've been bamboozled. It's pretty damn telling that he didn't go through the proper channels to ensure he doesn't get fined with his mental health excuse. The only reason why the 76ers are able to actually fine him with this mental health issues, is because he has refused to be transparent with the whole process in getting help.

He played pretty damn well in the first round against the Wizards

The NBPA is one of these proper channels, though. And when the Sixers asked to co-operate with a team psychologist, he did that as well (granted, he didn't do it right away, he delayed that).

From all the reports/articles I have read, he hasn't been transparent with the 76ers organization/medical staff. Therefore, they have continued to be able to fine him. You think that if he was doing everything correctly in regards to getting help and keeping his employer informed that he 76ers would just be able to continue do so?

Straight from the Ramona article: https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33188431/the-specter-saga-haunts-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers

...But the goodwill didn't last long. Simmons refused the mental health services offered by the team, instead telling the Sixers he was seeing a mental health professional he'd found through the National Basketball Players Association but wasn't comfortable sharing details.

...He has worked out separately with his own group of trainers, according to sources close to Simmons. He has organized his own runs with local players. He has lifted weights at a local fitness club that's open to the general public. He has seen his own therapist but hasn't shared information about his treatment with the team. He's living in the Moorestown, New Jersey, house he put up for sale months ago.

Pretty damn revealing.

As far as i know Vince didn't refuse to play.

He asked, it took time, then he just tanked it intentionally.

Which when you compared to what Simmons is doing now, was handle a whole lot better than what Simmons is doing currently abandoning his team and so-called brothers. He may not be close with Doc/Embiid but there has to a be a few guys on the squad/organization that he was close with during his tenure with the 76ers.

The return for carter was nothing... so hell naw. Unless Simmons gets traded for 2 journeymen.

[Zetsword]

Ben Simmons is just wasting his career away.

What point is he trying to prove exactly? Sixers look great without him. Embiid is an MVP candidate.

He has become a meme and the most hated athlete in Philly.

If he just came back and played well they could have easily have traded him by now.

I have no stance in this so don't assume anything but the response I'm going to give you but it looks like he doesn't respect the organization, like at all. It's obviously a principal thing, and when that happens things can look illogical, especially when lips have been tight from Ben himself.

[phanman]

The return for carter was nothing... so hell naw. Unless Simmons gets traded for 2 journeymen.

What we got back for Carter was never indicative of his skill set... it was the incompetence of Rob Babcock. A guy went ahead with the trade, knowing that the best player coming back was not going to suit up for us

[SelfishPlayer]

Harden won't be in the league forever. Morey isn't going anywhere. They hired Morey because he is the ideal GM for the 76ers and he's the most similar guy they could get to Hinkie who the owners clearly liked and who knew how to discuss basketball in ways they understood.

There is no such thing as an ideal GM that has never taken a team to the Finals. Harden not being in the league forever is a Morey problem much like Duncan not being in the league forever is a Pop problem.

Both these statements couldn't be more false. Morey was a great GM before Harden and has been great for the 76ers so far as well. Morey at this point is one of the most important and impactful people in NBA history. His impact on the league and the game will be felt for generations to come.

If your name isn't Allen Iverson, there isn't a legacy without a championship. History will remember this era for Lebron and Steph. History may remember Harden if he wins a CHIP.

There's a wiretap where a GM is stating that Morey needs to call him with offers because it will not happen the other way around.

[dhsilv2]

There is no such thing as an ideal GM that has never taken a team to the Finals. Harden not being in the league forever is a Morey problem much like Duncan not being in the league forever is a Pop problem.

Both these statements couldn't be more false. Morey was a great GM before Harden and has been great for the 76ers so far as well. Morey at this point is one of the most important and impactful people in NBA history. His impact on the league and the game will be felt for generations to come.

If your name isn't Allen Iverson, there isn't a legacy without a championship. History will remember this era for Lebron and Steph. History may remember Harden if he wins a CHIP.

There's a wiretap where a GM is stating that Morey needs to call him with offers because it will not happen the other way around.

Morey's change basketball. Titles are nothing compared that man.

[SelfishPlayer]

Both these statements couldn't be more false. Morey was a great GM before Harden and has been great for the 76ers so far as well. Morey at this point is one of the most important and impactful people in NBA history. His impact on the league and the game will be felt for generations to come.

If your name isn't Allen Iverson, there isn't a legacy without a championship. History will remember this era for Lebron and Steph. History may remember Harden if he wins a CHIP.

There's a wiretap where a GM is stating that Morey needs to call him with offers because it will not happen the other way around.

Morey's change basketball. Titles are nothing compared that man.

Steph Curry changed the game and has rings to prove it. At best, Morey had a great notion, that smarter more talented people better executed.