2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

dukes_wild · Post #1801 » by **dukes_wild** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 6:06 pm

MikeM wrote:Achiuwa is the answer at C if he can hit corner 3s.

He would need a lot more than that to even reach replacement level.

Dalek · Post #1802 » by **Dalek** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 6:30 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:Williams is pretty much nothing more than a rim runner who will have little to no impact come Playoff time. If we're gonna use our FRP, Turner should be the minimum goal in mind. Don't wanna see it squandered just to add a rotation player like Williams or Poeltl...

But for me the goal of the FRP shouldn't be to just get another rotation player. At minimum it should be a very high impact player that has the potential to push someone out of the starting lineup whether that's a more established name like Turner, adding it to OG or GT Jr to find another young star or on it's own with Goran to pry away a younger player who may become one like Hunter, Hali etc and at worst dealt on it's own for guys with upside to be something like Turner in Bamba, Smith, Oneyka...but again not just a rotation guy like Williams, Poeltl etc, that's not changing the fate of the team long or short term.

I think we need to be realistic about the FRP Toronto has. If we end up around 20th pick in this draft who are we potentially missing out on: Ochai Agbaji? Jeremy Sochan? Max Christie? Nikola Jovic? I think this is the right year to move it because we have a very good core of guys.

I hear what you are saying about Williams and Poeltl, but Toronto is just not a conventional team. We are a possession battling team and even with relative non-shooters like Williams and Poeltl, we do have a use for guys who defend in space well and can crash the boards. Poeltl and Williams rank 2 and 4 in the NBA in offensive rebounding. Given our style of play, I can see why they could be a target - even if they end up just rotation guys. With a mid to late first that is what you would be lucky to be getting.

MikeM · Post #1803 » by **MikeM** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 6:37 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
MikeM wrote:Achiuwa is the answer at C if he can hit corner 3s.

The 3PT% thing is a nice bonus, but its inside the paint that really really needs to improve.
His 2PT% have dropped by nearly 10% year over year.

If he can finish better in the paint on offense and develop a semi reliable 3PT shot that would require him to command coverage on the line I would be over the moon.

It's all shot selection. He had the green light early, like everyone did. Now we locked it in and took his usage away. His efficiency will go up if he's just a roller and a corner sitter.

The only question is whether we want to develop him that way. A centre this strong defensively, at this age, is not usually available.

If you just put him on the Ibaka usage diet, then I have no doubt he'll be a competent role player. The problem is he shows a bit of a handle and first step, that's why we had the governor off him early in the season. But his decision making is just not there.

Ref_from_hell · Post #1804 » by **Ref_from_hell** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:06 pm

Read on Twitter

Interesting.

Asif16 · Post #1805 » by **Asif16** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:34 pm

Ref_from_hell wrote:

Read on Twitter

Interesting.

Would put us over the tax

bballsparkin · Post #1806 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:35 pm

Ref_from_hell wrote:

Read on Twitter

Interesting.

How's Kennard's defence? He's shooting 43.3% from three this year. 4 years at $13.3 million is concerning. Although he's only 25.

I wonder about the financial implications too. Toronto brings back roughly $1.5M more. And what about the LAC's? The Ibaka to OKC rumour for a SRP is supposed to save them around $40M.

Ref_from_hell · Post #1807 » by **Ref_from_hell** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:36 pm

Asif16 wrote:
Ref_from_hell wrote:

Read on Twitter

Interesting.

Would put us over the tax

Yeah, that would suck but it's appealing. This team could use a guy like serge off the bench. Although I much rather we try and find a backup point guard.

Asif16 · Post #1808 » by **Asif16** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:37 pm

A few trade options:

Goran + Top 20 Protected Pick (turns into 2 2nd rounders) for TJ McConnell + TJ Warren
Goran + Malachi Flynn for Devonte Graham + Satoransky
Goran + Lottery Protected FRP for Valanciunas
Goran for Dinwiddie

I think we need ball handling/shooting more than Size right now

Madhouse · Post #1809 » by **Madhouse** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:37 pm

Serge is washed

Psubs · Post #1810 » by **Psubs** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:47 pm

Madhouse wrote:Serge is washed

I'd trade Boucher for him. Situationally Serge can still play 20mpg off the bench.

Asif16 · Post #1811 » by **Asif16** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:49 pm

Psubs wrote:
Madhouse wrote:Serge is washed

I'd trade Boucher for him. Situationally Serge can still play 20mpg off the bench.

I wouldn't. I've seen serge play this season. The man is a shell of his former self. Cant move, can barely jump. He doesn't even contest shots any more.

Boucher fits more of what the Raptors want to do defensively

agkagk · Post #1812 » by **agkagk** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 8:11 pm

Asif16 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Madhouse wrote:Serge is washed

I'd trade Boucher for him. Situationally Serge can still play 20mpg off the bench.

I wouldn't. I've seen serge play this season. The man is a shell of his former self. Cant move, can barely jump. He doesn't even contest shots any more.

Boucher fits more of what the Raptors want to do defensively

he looks like he's playing on one leg lately.

i wonder if he has a nagging back or leg issue.

BHF · Post #1813 » by **BHF** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 9:01 pm

arbsn wrote:I think Dinwiddie is a really smart pickup. We need Fred insurance and more ball handling off the bench

They are both huge huge ball hogs, here i am hoping they get rid of Fred and people are trying to get Fred 2.0 in Dinwiddie on this team, enough iso ball we need a real playmaker who is gonna get everyone involved and not look for his own shot all the time. We are one of the worst if not the worst team in assists and it starts with our pg and so called playmaker Fred.

Post #1814 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 9:04 pm

Ref_from_hell wrote:

Read on Twitter

Interesting.

The Clippers would need to eat an addition 2m or find a home for Svi to get us out of the tax;

I don't hate Kennards contract as much as most folks do, its two years remaining beyond this one whereas he has been a fairly reliable shooter for his career and his game doesn't exactly depend on athleticism so I am not worried about him breaking down.

He is a guy who is slightly overpaid for what he does who can come off the bench and play 30 minutes if he needs to when we need some shooting (which is always)

However, if we are eating two years of Kennard there needs to be more incentive other than the incredible back and forth that will exist with OG, GTJ, and Ibaka all being on the same team.

Jadoogar · Post #1815 » by **Jadoogar** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 9:14 pm

I think the bench is a bigger concern than getting a center. I wouldn't mind trading for someone like Mo Bamba but i think the bench is the bigger issue. We need a competent bench guard in the worst way, preferably someone who can pass and hit threes.
Dinwiddie, Luke Kennard, Malik Beasley, Alec Burks, Cory Joseph, Buddy Hield, TJ McConnell, Killian Hayes (maybe), Trey Burke, Kira Lewis, Jarrett Culver are some potential realistic targets

DreamTeam09 · Post #1816 » by **DreamTeam09** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 9:15 pm

Hell No to Kennard, he doesn't play defense on the level of the other guys on our team. Mo Bamba n Ross should be our targets, no ifs and or buts about it. Those two takes us to another level in my books

dukes_wild · Post #1817 » by **dukes_wild** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 9:17 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Hell No to Kennard, he doesn't play defense on the level of the other guys on our team. Mo Bamba n Ross should be our targets, no ifs and or buts about it. Those two takes us to another level in my books

Saying no to Kennard because of his defense and then saying Ross should be a target right after is funny

DreamTeam09 · Post #1818 » by **DreamTeam09** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 9:23 pm

dukes_wild wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Hell No to Kennard, he doesn't play defense on the level of the other guys on our team. Mo Bamba n Ross should be our targets, no ifs and or buts about it. Those two takes us to another level in my books

Saying no to Kennard because of his defense and then saying Ross should be a target right after is funny

Ross is still a way better defender than Kennard, what exactly is funny?

Los_29 · Post #1819 » by **Los_29** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 9:31 pm

Psubs wrote:
Madhouse wrote:Serge is washed

I'd trade Boucher for him. Situationally Serge can still play 20mpg off the bench.

You don't mean that. Please tell me you don't mean that?

dukes_wild · Post #1820 » by **dukes_wild** » Wed Feb 2, 2022 9:42 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
dukes_wild wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Hell No to Kennard, he doesn't play defense on the level of the other guys on our team. Mo Bamba n Ross should be our targets, no ifs and or buts about it. Those two takes us to another level in my books

Saying no to Kennard because of his defense and then saying Ross should be a target right after is funny

Ross is still a way better defender than Kennard, what exactly is funny?

Ross has been an atrocious defender for the last 2-3 years, especially this season. He's been brutal to watch on that end. Careless off ball defender, dies on any screen, gambles. His lateral quicks aren't as good as they were during his time here either

He's just as bad of a defender as Kennard is