Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition)

[WolfAddict]

That’s a fact, Jack!!!


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That’s it… I’m off to watch Bill Murray movies for the rest of the day

[Dewey]

Is the Ben Simmons trade to the Wolves completed or are there still i's to dot and Ts to cross?

Your comment is misleading. There is literally no reason to suspect Simmons is coming here. In fact there is a ton of direct evidence to the contrary.

Lighten up, Francis.

classic

[shrink]

That’s a fact, Jack!!!


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That’s it… I’m off to watch Bill Murray movies for the rest of the day

You couldn’t have chosen a better day. Don’t drive angry!

[KGdaBom]

It's a quote from the movie Stripes

Great movie

That’s a fact, Jack!!!


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That one I know. Ant does too

That's a fact Jack can be found anywhere. Lighten up Francis is one of the best movie quotes of all time and unique to Stripes. You really need to watch that movie.

[winforlose]

That’s a fact, Jack!!!


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That one I know. Ant does too

That's a fact Jack can be found anywhere. Lighten up Francis is one of the best movie quotes of all time and unique to Stripes. You really need to watch that movie.

Won’t be today, but I will look out for it. Do you know if it is on a streaming services?

[shrink]

That one I know. Ant does too

That's a fact Jack can be found anywhere. Lighten up Francis is one of the best movie quotes of all time and unique to Stripes. You really need to watch that movie.

Won’t be today, but I will look out for it. Do you know if it is on a streaming services?

Free on xfinity and Netflix right now.

[winforlose]

That's a fact Jack can be found anywhere. Lighten up Francis is one of the best movie quotes of all time and unique to Stripes. You really need to watch that movie.

Won’t be today, but I will look out for it. Do you know if it is on a streaming services?

Free on xfinity and Netflix right now.

I have both. Thank you.

[KGdaBom]

Won’t be today, but I will look out for it. Do you know if it is on a streaming services?

Free on xfinity and Netflix right now.

I have both. Thank you.

Great! Come back and thank us when you're done. Another great line to watch for is "The Big Toe".

[KGdaBom]

Stripes (1981) is over 40 years old now. Hard to believe. Warren Oates who was amazing as Sgt. Hulka made his first movie in 1956. Wow.

[Klomp]

I get all of the reasons why people don't want Simmons. But I can't help but watch the ways Vanderbilt is flourishing and think that Simmons would be deployed in a similar fashion here. The offensive role, the hustle plays, the defensive versatility both inside and outside. It would all be very familiar.

Price point and current chemistry are where I start getting hesitant somewhat, but I don't understand the people who believe he would be a bad fit on the court. In my mind, he's the prototypical fit for the things we want right now.

That being said, I used to believe we needed a jolt like this in order to make a big jump in the standings outside of the play-in. The way the group is playing makes be believe that could no longer be the case. But could a move like this still bump up the team's ceiling and is the price point worth it? That's what the front office has to decide for any move on the table.

[Mattya]

I get all of the reasons why people don't want Simmons. But I can't help but watch the ways Vanderbilt is flourishing and think that Simmons would be deployed in a similar fashion here. The offensive role, the hustle plays, the defensive versatility both inside and outside. It would all be very familiar.

Price point and current chemistry are where I start getting hesitant somewhat, but I don't understand the people who believe he would be a bad fit on the court. In my mind, he's the prototypical fit for the things we want right now.

That being said, I used to believe we needed a jolt like this in order to make a big jump in the standings outside of the play-in. The way the group is playing makes be believe that could no longer be the case. But could a move like this still bump up the team's ceiling and is the price point worth it? That's what the front office has to decide for any move on the table.

I agree that what Vando has shown makes it very obvious that Simmons would have been a great fit, but I also am not crazy about breaking up the chemistry after what the team has shown so far. I also think having Simmons and Vando on the court would not work on offense. Also, Vando has out in the work and while I don’t buy a lot of the narrative around Simmons, Vando seems to have the never give up grit to him that I don’t think Simmons has.

[shrink]

Price point and current chemistry are where I start getting hesitant somewhat, but I don't understand the people who believe he would be a bad fit on the court. In my mind, he's the prototypical fit for the things we want right now..

Yes, the problem isn’t on the defensive end - it’s the offense.

1. Simmons has said he wants the ball in his hands, and may not be happy if he doesn’t get it.

2. Simmons believes he’s a star, and will want to average 20 PPG. I don’t think we have the shots.

3. Simmons has said he wants to be the star of a team, constructed around him.

Now, all of these things could rub other Timberwolves the wrong way, and hurt our team chemistry. But an even bigger concern is, what does Simmons do if he doesn’t get his way? The other Timberwolves won’t just ignore their contract if things get frustrating, but if Simmoms chooses again not to play, the team is done.

We should appreciate Vando for what he is, particularly his unselfishness and team-first mentality.

[Klomp]

Price point and current chemistry are where I start getting hesitant somewhat, but I don't understand the people who believe he would be a bad fit on the court. In my mind, he's the prototypical fit for the things we want right now..

Yes, the problem isn’t on the defensive end - it’s the offense.

1. Simmons has said he wants the ball in his hands, and may not be happy if he doesn’t get it.

2. Simmons believes he’s a star, and will want to average 20 PPG. I don’t think we have the shots.

3. Simmons has said he wants to be the star of a team, constructed around him.

Now, all of these things could rub other Timberwolves the wrong way, and hurt our team chemistry. But an even bigger concern is, what does Simmons do if he doesn’t get his way? The other Timberwolves won’t just ignore their contract if things get frustrating, but if Simmoms chooses again not to play, the team is done.

We should appreciate Vando for what he is, particularly his unselfishness and team-first mentality.

I'd have to go back and find these comments, but I think these have been taken out of context. Simmons was a star in Philadelphia and never averaged above 17 ppg. What he wants is to be respected and appreciated.

[Howard Cosell]

76ers Out: Simmons + 2nd RP
76ers In: Beal

Wizards Out: Beal + Gill
Wizards In: Beasley, Beverly, Reid, McDaniel + 2 FRP’s Twolves + 76ers 2nd RP

Twolves Out: Beasley, Beverly, Reid + McDaniel +2 FRP’s
Twolves In: Simmons + Gill

High price to pay for Twolves but it keeps the core together and gives the franchise a window of 3 years to go for world championship.

We do need Wizards to want to flip the switch and to start over..but I think something like this could get it done. I sent this off to Darrin Wolfson and he didn’t balk at it.. it sounds like Twolves are still looking to get Simmons before trade deadline in 7 days.

[shrink]

PHI would have to give up a lot more than a 2nd round pick to get team-first Bradley Beal for team-last Simmons.

I wouldn’t pay this much for Simmons. I’d rather have Beal, if we are paying for him anyway.

[winforlose]

76ers Out: Simmons + 2nd RP
76ers In: Beal

Wizards Out: Beal + Gill
Wizards In: Beasley, Beverly, Reid, McDaniel + 2 FRP’s Twolves + 76ers 2nd RP

Twolves Out: Beasley, Beverly, Reid + McDaniel +2 FRP’s
Twolves In: Simmons + Gill

High price to pay for Twolves but it keeps the core together and gives the franchise a window of 3 years to go for world championship.

We do need Wizards to want to flip the switch and to start over..but I think something like this could get it done. I sent this off to Darrin Wolfson and he didn’t balk at it.. it sounds like Twolves are still looking to get Simmons before trade deadline in 7 days.

For that price I would rather have Beal. His scoring and playmaking combined with Ant’s would be tough to beat. Add to that KAT and Dlo and watch out.

Simmons true value is a fraction of what you listed. Between his bloated contract, mental health issues, history of injury, history of chocking in the playoffs, time away from the game, and risk of another such holdout (he has four years after this at max money,) Simmons value is at an all time low. The idea that a superstar is coming for Simmons is highly unlikely. Take Harden for example, he wants to be in a state without income tax so realistically Texas or Florida, he wouldn’t be jumping on the Philly bandwagon even if Embiid didn’t have knee issues and Harris was also on the way out.

Simmons real value is probably 2 protected firsts and a young player. My best offer, Leo Bolmaro, Timberwolves 2022 top 8 protected, and 2024 top 8 protected plus Beasley and Prince for salary. You want Reid, throw in Paul reed and a 2nd round pick and we keep Bolmaro. But, we would probably want a third team involved and move Simmons to that 3rd team for a different payoff.

[Howard Cosell]

PHI would have to give up a lot more than a 2nd round pick to get team-first Bradley Beal for team-last Simmons.

I wouldn’t pay this much for Simmons. I’d rather have Beal, if we are paying for him anyway.

Good point on 76ers needing to give up more…but I don’t think a whole lot more.

Full strength Simmons is a much better fit for Twolves than Beal…even though on open market Beal is of greater value.

I’m hoping Wizards are looking to blow it up in next 7 days because if they are I think Twolves are back in it in regards to acquiring Simmons.

[winforlose]

I get all of the reasons why people don't want Simmons. But I can't help but watch the ways Vanderbilt is flourishing and think that Simmons would be deployed in a similar fashion here. The offensive role, the hustle plays, the defensive versatility both inside and outside. It would all be very familiar.

Price point and current chemistry are where I start getting hesitant somewhat, but I don't understand the people who believe he would be a bad fit on the court. In my mind, he's the prototypical fit for the things we want right now.

That being said, I used to believe we needed a jolt like this in order to make a big jump in the standings outside of the play-in. The way the group is playing makes be believe that could no longer be the case. But could a move like this still bump up the team's ceiling and is the price point worth it? That's what the front office has to decide for any move on the table.

I agree that what Vando has shown makes it very obvious that Simmons would have been a great fit, but I also am not crazy about breaking up the chemistry after what the team has shown so far. I also think having Simmons and Vando on the court would not work on offense. Also, Vando has out in the work and while I don’t buy a lot of the narrative around Simmons, Vando seems to have the never give up grit to him that I don’t think Simmons has.

In a vacuum maybe, but in practice it simply doesn’t work that way. For example, Simmons and V8 are redundant. They have similar strengths and weaknesses, but where players like KAT and Jokic would thrive together guys like Simmons and V8 would kill their teams offense. We have already seen the defensive schemes that clog the lane and force us to shoot 3s because of V8 and we just recently made enough adjustments to get V8 scoring more. Even if we had Simmons from the beginning, do you honestly think he outpaces V8 by that much in terms of production?

Also, the issue was always the cost of acquisition and opportunity cost of Simmons. V8 is on a team friendly deal and was signed with bird rights. Simmons would have cost a huge amount of depth and prevented us from brining in any kind of reasonable replacements. If Simmons demands a buyout and is willing to come here for 5 to 7 mil I would thrilled to add him.

[minimus]

Beal next contract is 228/5. I'd rather have Simmons who is 3yrs younger, cheaper and has three more years in contract.

Also Beal has not showing anything as first option.

[winforlose]

Beal next contract is 228/5. I'd rather have Simmons who is 3yrs younger, cheaper and has three more years in contract.

Also Beal has not showing anything as first option.

Ant and KAT would both be higher options, but Beal would thrive because defenses cannot focus on him.