OT: NFL Draft Thread

[TerrenceClarke]

I have come to the conclusion that Leslie Frazier was the PATSY. To make the Flores situation look genuine. Fraizer was NEVER a candidate and they STILL brought him back in, FRONTING like he had a chance. The Giants FRONTED ON THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

All I see is a bunch of guys in here who keep finding ways to defend the Giants, and give the benefit of the doubt, when everything points to this being a Sham.

Frazier proves this was the Sham to me.. He is Lee Harvey Oswald. He was USED to camouflage this whole THING with Flores not going to be picked as if they was really being genuine about this search.... FOH

"we are doing our due diligence"



**** the Giants. This is not a coincidence....

Not a Mofo in here can tell me that Frazier had a chance. Its was a SHAM!

[KnixtapeH20]

Flores' attorneys are saying one of the amendments/requirements they are looking to add to the Rooney rule is that there must be a Black or minority decision maker involved in the process of hiring GMs and coaches.

They are going to run into another hurdle of NFL teams not having black decision makers that high up in the organization to begin with.

Its a good problem. Cause it will continue to highlights all the areas of change thats needed. I saw some former players even suggesting that some players be involved. In the NBA star players have input on these things, I have never known in the NFL teams would move like that. The NFL is operating in a outdated way.

I mean we are going a little bit far there. I don't want any players with the giants determining the next GM/HC. That isn't there role.

I wouldn't want anyone on the Knicks determining that either. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule. Like a superstar of LeBron stature that probably has say in certain things like that.

Daniel Jones/Saquan Barkley/Andrew Thomas...who knows if they would be on the team in a year or so let alone having an impact on who is running the franchise.

There needs to be change but that is not very likely IMO.

You can't force someone who owns a billion dollar organization to have certain people in the room they don't want to have in the hiring process.

There are certain players that should qualify. Take a guy like Eli whie hes not black he doesn't see color, he treats everyone as an equal and would hold true to that in his decision making.

Antonio Pierce very equipped to coach in this league prolly more than a lot of others and he's looking for employment as a coach. I've wanted him to be part of this team in any capacity since he retired. Who wouldn't run thru a brick wall for that guy? He's also someone I'd want to be involved in decision making being a minority.

[mpharris36]

Its a good problem. Cause it will continue to highlights all the areas of change thats needed. I saw some former players even suggesting that some players be involved. In the NBA star players have input on these things, I have never known in the NFL teams would move like that. The NFL is operating in a outdated way.

I mean we are going a little bit far there. I don't want any players with the giants determining the next GM/HC. That isn't there role.

I wouldn't want anyone on the Knicks determining that either. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule. Like a superstar of LeBron stature that probably has say in certain things like that.

Daniel Jones/Saquan Barkley/Andrew Thomas...who knows if they would be on the team in a year or so let alone having an impact on who is running the franchise.

There needs to be change but that is not very likely IMO.

You can't force someone who owns a billion dollar organization to have certain people in the room they don't want to have in the hiring process.

There are certain players that should qualify. Take a guy like Eli whie hes not black he doesn't see color, he treats everyone as an equal and would hold true to that in his decision making.

Antonio Pierce very equipped to coach in this league prolly more than a lot of others and he's looking for employment as a coach. I've wanted him to be part of this team in any capacity since he retired. Who wouldn't run thru a brick wall for that guy? He's also someone I'd want to be involved in decision making being a minority.

I get your point. For sure they're outliers.

A franchise type QB would probably qualify for that. Justin Tuck/Strahan also great leaders. For a coach I would def probably get there impact.

But since it was a new GM and Mara was letting him bring along his guy and the Giants roster is in shambles I don't think any current player would qualify for that.

Eli defended Mara...and so did Tiki Barber today.

From all reports if Mara had the final decision he would have went with Flores because Flores is a Mara guy.

In this case he wouldn't have gotten schoen or any GM worth a damn if he meddled in the GM's HC search. That was part of the process where Mara had to take a step back and let Schoen make his choice. This was very unlike the "giants way" to hand over the keys to an outsider.

[blueNorange]

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[GONYK]

If the Giants hire Pep Hamilton they will have 3 black coordinators, now that Patrick Graham is returning.

[F N 11]

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[KnicksGadfly]

Yah I think it was probably Schoen who wanted his guy and always knew he was going to get his guy. At the same time, the Giants did circumvent the Rooney rules and it’s not like that’s a rare thing. They probably need to add much stronger teeth to the rule, to make it hurt when teams break it. It’s also not like the nepotism works in the NFL either. Most recent biggest nepotistic hire was Gruden.

I think the other thing to realize is that it’s not just systematic. There’s probably real racists still running the NFL. I think there’s a reason why the Snyder report wasn’t released and why Gruden was the only guy targeted. There’s a lot more being hidden.

[TerrenceClarke]

Yah I think it was probably Schoen who wanted his guy and always knew he was going to get his guy. At the same time, the Giants did circumvent the Rooney rules and it’s not like that’s a rare thing. They probably need to add much stronger teeth to the rule, to make it hurt when teams break it. It’s also not like the nepotism works in the NFL either. Most recent biggest nepotistic hire was Gruden.

I think the other thing to realize is that it’s not just systematic. There’s probably real racists still running the NFL. I think there’s a reason why the Snyder report wasn’t released and why Gruden was the only guy targeted. There’s a lot more being hidden.

Its Obvious they circumvented it, but all I keep hearing is excuses that it was genuine. I can easily disprove it.


Schoen wanted his man from the rip. He never seriously considered anyone else or the info of Daboll being the guy would have not been made known DAYS earlier before the real interview. Schoen never was genuine with Flores. This is Fact 1

Lets go with the Theory that Mara was genuine to Flores at first.... To me that's irrelevant, because AGAIN. The choice was made DAYS before flores ever came in. So this means that MARA gave his blessing to Schoens choice,something CHANGED, yet he STILL conducted this as if it WAS Genuine, when HE knew the choice was made already. So Mara ALSO BECAME COMPLICIT in this circumvention days before Flores came in, but did the typical schit by smiling in your face, giving you the false impression that they respect you.


You got Boomer and Bill CONFIRMING that they KNEW Daboll was the coach. So Bill and Boomer knew but not Mara? FOH.


The Giants FO and Ownership was playing games with Leslie and Flores. This is why it was a SHAM. Smiling in those blackmen faces, knowing they dont have a chance and the choice was made.


Im a life long G Men fan, but Fucccck the Giants.

[GONYK]

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Cool video from Graham. Happy to have him back. I'd like to see a more aggressive defense since our offense (hopefully) won't have the D out there for 50 mins a game.

[blueNorange]

joe schoen making his mind up that daboll was his coach no matter what is a fact but schoen did nothing wrong — he hired someone he’s known over 10 years over someone he doesn’t.

before the nfl season even ended and they were talking up potential new gm/hc … both schoen and daboll were connected to the hip and were an obvious known package

everything in the flores lawsuit is legit but the giants stuff screams more and more of him being mad because he thought he had the job since he was called by john mara himself.

[mpharris36]

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Cool video from Graham. Happy to have him back. I'd like to see a more aggressive defense since our offense (hopefully) won't have the D out there for 50 mins a game.

I think getting him a few solid pass rushers will help too. Gotta fix that last 2-minute defense.

[blueNorange]

i still don’t get terrence clark whole thing he keeps repeating

if you’re trying to convince that schoen always wanted dabol then you’re not discovering any breaking news —- that was always known

[GONYK]

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Cool video from Graham. Happy to have him back. I'd like to see a more aggressive defense since our offense (hopefully) won't have the D out there for 50 mins a game.

I think getting him a few solid pass rushers will help too. Gotta fix that last 2-minute defense.

I'm thinking 2 of the first 4 picks will be contributing to the pass rush in some way

[mpharris36]

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Cool video from Graham. Happy to have him back. I'd like to see a more aggressive defense since our offense (hopefully) won't have the D out there for 50 mins a game.

I think getting him a few solid pass rushers will help too. Gotta fix that last 2-minute defense.

I'm thinking 2 of the first 4 picks will be contributing to the pass rush in some way

hope so. As much as the o-line needs help. You win in the NFL if you can generate a 4 man pass rush. Because elite qb's just pick apart defenses that can't get to the QB and have to blitz to make up for it.

I hope we trade down with at least one of our picks (assuming) Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone (not a big Karlaftis guy). I think he will be solid but not sure he bends the edge the way you need an elite pass rush to do.

I would love to move down a bit and maybe look at David Ojabo (even though he seems to be rising up the boards) and will probably test well because he is a great athlete.

I think we can generate some decent rush up the middle with Leonard Williams and Lawerence + Ojalari is a solid 2nd or 3rd pass rusher on a good team. But we need a few guys that strike fear in the defense that can come around the edge.

[mpharris36]

Boomer also said the WFT would be called the admirals and they ended up being the Commanders

Along with saying Aaron Rodgers would sit out the super bowl to make a point about COVID and Rodgers squashed that rumors and said it was ridiculous.

So I wouldn't take Boomer's word for gold.

The fact is Daboll was also known to be the favorite for the Dolphins job so through back channels they probably had to make it known that Daboll was the favorite but that had to go through the entire process. Whether you like it or not that is how it is. Thats why the Rooney Rule is crap because there can be sham interviews. But in this case I think up until the 11th hour Mara was fighting for Flores to win the job so I think that is why I think Flores claim about the giants is wrong. The fact his nephew reached out to him and told him "go win the f*cking job" after Schoen got the job...suggests there were people in the organization that wanted Flores especially Mara.

They discussed the hires and Schoen got his way...which we have been asking for.

Flores other claims seem fair and I 100% think the Rooney Rule needs to be changed. But the Giants followed protocols . There also nothing wrong with having a favorite prior to other people interviewing for the job. It happens all the time...it doesn't mean the interview was a sham. It just means Flores needed to overcome the Daboll/Schoen connection which he couldn't do. So unless Flores and his attorney's can prove there was a written out agreement with the Giants and Daboll prior to his meeting. Not sure he has a leg to stand on from a legal standpoint.

[TerrenceClarke]

He’s certainly qualified,” Jones said Wednesday from the hallway behind his stadium suite overlooking Senior Bowl practices. “He’s very qualified. Yes, I would consider. If I didn’t have a coach, I would have been interviewing him for coach.”

" I wanted them to be thinking that they were talking to a guy who could be head coach of the Cowboys. I wanted the aura to be friendly to Dan staying and turning down head coaching jobs. That’s my logic and I put my logic with anybody’s.”

WOW.

I was saying this before Jerry even said it yesterday this was the REAL reason why Dan took his name out of the Giants hat and all other teams coaching hat.

I said he would be the next coach of the cowboys and that Jerry had to have promised him something.

Like I said before it Had nothing to do with it being "down" to Flores and Daboll.

[mpharris36]

He’s certainly qualified,” Jones said Wednesday from the hallway behind his stadium suite overlooking Senior Bowl practices. “He’s very qualified. Yes, I would consider. If I didn’t have a coach, I would have been interviewing him for coach.”

" I wanted them to be thinking that they were talking to a guy who could be head coach of the Cowboys. I wanted the aura to be friendly to Dan staying and turning down head coaching jobs. That’s my logic and I put my logic with anybody’s.”

WOW.

I was saying this before Jerry even said it yesterday this was the REAL reason why Dan took his name out of the Giants hat and all other teams coaching hat.

I said he would be the next coach of the cowboys and that Jerry had to have promised him something.

Like I said before it Had nothing to do with it being "down" to Flores and Daboll.

TC that doesn't prove anything. How do you know if all things are equal he would choose the giants HC job over the cowboys HC job?

He was a diehard giants fan growing up...his whole family is and still lives in the area. Why wouldn't he choose his dream job over potentially getting the cowboys job down the road.

It was reported he dropped out because it was a two-man race.

The reason he dropped out of other jobs after is because the Giants were the only job he would leave the Cowboys for because it was his dream job.

[GONYK]

I think getting him a few solid pass rushers will help too. Gotta fix that last 2-minute defense.

I'm thinking 2 of the first 4 picks will be contributing to the pass rush in some way

hope so. As much as the o-line needs help. You win in the NFL if you can generate a 4 man pass rush. Because elite qb's just pick apart defenses that can't get to the QB and have to blitz to make up for it.

I hope we trade down with at least one of our picks (assuming) Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone (not a big Karlaftis guy). I think he will be solid but not sure he bends the edge the way you need an elite pass rush to do.

I would love to move down a bit and maybe look at David Ojabo (even though he seems to be rising up the boards) and will probably test well because he is a great athlete.

I think we can generate some decent rush up the middle with Leonard Williams and Lawerence + Ojalari is a solid 2nd or 3rd pass rusher on a good team. But we need a few guys that strike fear in the defense that can come around the edge.

I am really high on Ojabo too.

I would hope we either end up with some combination of Hamilton/Ojabo/Neal/Ekwonu with our first 2 picks.

[mpharris36]

I'm thinking 2 of the first 4 picks will be contributing to the pass rush in some way

hope so. As much as the o-line needs help. You win in the NFL if you can generate a 4 man pass rush. Because elite qb's just pick apart defenses that can't get to the QB and have to blitz to make up for it.

I hope we trade down with at least one of our picks (assuming) Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone (not a big Karlaftis guy). I think he will be solid but not sure he bends the edge the way you need an elite pass rush to do.

I would love to move down a bit and maybe look at David Ojabo (even though he seems to be rising up the boards) and will probably test well because he is a great athlete.

I think we can generate some decent rush up the middle with Leonard Williams and Lawerence + Ojalari is a solid 2nd or 3rd pass rusher on a good team. But we need a few guys that strike fear in the defense that can come around the edge.

I am really high on Ojabo too.

I would hope we either end up with some combination of Hamilton/Ojabo/Neal/Ekwonu with our first 2 picks.

The only guy I'm not sold on is Hamilton. Really good talent I just safeties don't have the positional value worth taking in the top 10 in the draft. Also we have a few good ones already too. Same way I feel about taking a corner that high as well. You can get corners via FA too. And the giants have spent there as well.

I would probably add Cross to the list as well for O-line.

For defense I like Ojabo/Dean/Devin Lloyd...(most of those would probably be trade down situations. Where we pick Neal/Cross/Ekwonu with the 1st pick.

I know people love Linderbaum because he is the best center prospect in a while. I just don't know if I can justify taking a center that high. Tackles or Guards please.

[GONYK]

hope so. As much as the o-line needs help. You win in the NFL if you can generate a 4 man pass rush. Because elite qb's just pick apart defenses that can't get to the QB and have to blitz to make up for it.

I hope we trade down with at least one of our picks (assuming) Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are gone (not a big Karlaftis guy). I think he will be solid but not sure he bends the edge the way you need an elite pass rush to do.

I would love to move down a bit and maybe look at David Ojabo (even though he seems to be rising up the boards) and will probably test well because he is a great athlete.

I think we can generate some decent rush up the middle with Leonard Williams and Lawerence + Ojalari is a solid 2nd or 3rd pass rusher on a good team. But we need a few guys that strike fear in the defense that can come around the edge.

I am really high on Ojabo too.

I would hope we either end up with some combination of Hamilton/Ojabo/Neal/Ekwonu with our first 2 picks.

The only guy I'm not sold on is Hamilton. Really good talent I just safeties don't have the positional value worth taking in the top 10 in the draft. Also we have a few good ones already too. Same way I feel about taking a corner that high as well. You can get corners via FA too. And the giants have spent there as well.

I would probably add Cross to the list as well for O-line.

For defense I like Ojabo/Dean/Devin Lloyd...(most of those would probably be trade down situations. Where we pick Neal/Cross/Ekwonu with the 1st pick.

I know people love Linderbaum because he is the best center prospect in a while. I just don't know if I can justify taking a center that high. Tackles or Guards please.

I understand what you're saying about Hamilton, but I'm still feeling very much burned by not taking Parsons, and think if you can take potentially the best player in the draft, you really have to consider it.