2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[LukaTheGOAT]

Anthony Edwards last 18 games, 24.5 points per game on 62.2% TS

He might be an all-star sooner rather than later.

Its crazy looking at him both in comparison to other shooting guards of today and in NBA History.

Statistically he most resembles 2nd year Kobe [Kobe being a year younger however] and he [ANT] blows guys like Booker and LaVine out of the water at this stage in their careers--and I would argue ANT's defensive potential is closer to Kobe than it is either of the other two guys.

After last year I thought his 90% outcome was [Peak/Prime] Jaylen Brown. Now I think his 90% outcome is something closer to a perennial/fringe All-NBA player.

Highest PPG in a season in NBA history, age-20 or younger:
1. Luka Doncic (19-20) - 28.8
2. LeBron James (04-05) - 27.2
3. Zion Williamson (20-21) - 27.0
4. Kevin Durant (08-09) - 25.3
5. Shaquille O’Neal (92-93) - 23.4
6. Anthony Edwards (21-22) - 22.7

[itsxtray]

Anthony Edwards last 18 games, 24.5 points per game on 62.2% TS

He might be an all-star sooner rather than later.

Its crazy looking at him both in comparison to other shooting guards of today and in NBA History.

Statistically he most resembles 2nd year Kobe [Kobe being a year younger however] and he [ANT] blows guys like Booker and LaVine out of the water at this stage in their careers--and I would argue ANT's defensive potential is closer to Kobe than it is either of the other two guys.

After last year I thought his 90% outcome was [Peak/Prime] Jaylen Brown. Now I think his 90% outcome is something closer to a perennial/fringe All-NBA player.

Highest PPG in a season in NBA history, age-20 or younger:
1. Luka Doncic (19-20) - 28.8
2. LeBron James (04-05) - 27.2
3. Zion Williamson (20-21) - 27.0
4. Kevin Durant (08-09) - 25.3
5. Shaquille O’Neal (92-93) - 23.4
6. Anthony Edwards (21-22) - 22.7

Man i hope Zion can get healthy and stay healthy, he was so fun to watch.

[70sFan]

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I know that competition wasn't the greatest back then and all, but you can't watch this and tell me that Mikan wasn't a skilled basketball player. He could make long hooks from either hand, he made a nice face up move after pump fake and he even used spin move in the post.

Enjoy watching the first NBA GOAT in his absolute prime!

[70sFan]

Also, don't hate me for spamming random oldschool videos, but old Sabonis was really special to watch:

Watch on YouTube

I can understand the Jokic comparisons, even if he was much worse at this point of his career.

[yoyoboy]

As far as player attributes grossly overrated by casual fans, Rondo's playmaking and basketball IQ have to be up there. Going from Rubio to Rondo you really see the differences in how the two operate despite being viewed by many as having similar skillsets.

[falcolombardi]

Also, don't hate me for spamming random oldschool videos, but old Sabonis was really special to watch:

Watch on YouTube

I can understand the Jokic comparisons, even if he was much worse at this point of his career.

jamaalstar had a fascinating take on this in the general board than arvydas was closer to embiid than jokic

he said that sabonis was a incredible body with good passing and skill for a center, but jokic has incredible skill and passer and just happens to be 7 foot

sabonis apparently had terribad turnovers to assists ratios whether in europe or nba which doesnt seem really jokic like

instead it was his combo of size and athletism that really made him really impactful rather than his passing

looking at his ast/to stats amd the athletism in his highlights from europe at 7'3~ it makes a lot of sense

[Fadeaway_J]

As far as player attributes grossly overrated by casual fans, Rondo's playmaking and basketball IQ have to be up there. Going from Rubio to Rondo you really see the differences in how the two operate despite being viewed by many as having similar skillsets.

Can confirm this after watching him spend half the shot clock pointing for two and a half seasons.

[HeartBreakKid]

Also, don't hate me for spamming random oldschool videos, but old Sabonis was really special to watch:

Watch on YouTube

I can understand the Jokic comparisons, even if he was much worse at this point of his career.

jamaalstar had a fascinating take on this in the general board than arvydas was closer to embiid than jokic

he said that sabonis was a incredible body with good passing and skill for a center, but jokic has incredible skill and passer and just happens to be 7 foot

sabonis apparently had terribad turnovers to assists ratios whether in europe or nba which doesnt seem really jokic like

instead it was his combo of size and athletism that really made him really impactful rather than his passing

looking at his ast/to stats amd the athletism in his highlights from europe at 7'3~ it makes a lot of sense

Oh really? I do remember posting in that thread for the general board.

Actually that is my comp for Joel Embiid also (as opposed to Olajuwon). I remember years ago I said this and I got absolutely BLASTED because people are overly fixated on Sabonis' passing.

Glad to see at least someone else kind of has a similar opinion. I think Embiid and Sabonis have a lot in common. I think Olajuwon and Jokic is more so because...they're from Africa and Europe tbh.

[falcolombardi]

we meme'd so much about the nets tanking for homecourt disadvantage to get kirie for 4 games that we spoke it into existence

East playoffs first round could be insane with hawks and nets in the lower seedings

[falcolombardi]

a bit off topic but is there a way to fact check this?

Read on Twitter

?t=xpubx4rsJNTV9pBrsAhcxQ&s=19

sounds absolutely made up lol

[70sFan]

Also, don't hate me for spamming random oldschool videos, but old Sabonis was really special to watch:

Watch on YouTube

I can understand the Jokic comparisons, even if he was much worse at this point of his career.

jamaalstar had a fascinating take on this in the general board than arvydas was closer to embiid than jokic

he said that sabonis was a incredible body with good passing and skill for a center, but jokic has incredible skill and passer and just happens to be 7 foot

sabonis apparently had terribad turnovers to assists ratios whether in europe or nba which doesnt seem really jokic like

instead it was his combo of size and athletism that really made him really impactful rather than his passing

looking at his ast/to stats amd the athletism in his highlights from europe at 7'3~ it makes a lot of sense

Oh really? I do remember posting in that thread for the general board.

Actually that is my comp for Joel Embiid also (as opposed to Olajuwon). I remember years ago I said this and I got absolutely BLASTED because people are overly fixated on Sabonis' passing.

Glad to see at least someone else kind of has a similar opinion. I think Embiid and Sabonis have a lot in common. I think Olajuwon and Jokic is more so because...they're from Africa and Europe tbh.

Yeah I can see Embiid comparisons for a young Sabonis, though he always was a better passer than Joel. Older Arvydas had similar low post game to Jokic, that's why I like comparing them. Overall, they weren't that close.

[AussieBuck]

a bit off topic but is there a way to fact check this?

Read on Twitter

?t=xpubx4rsJNTV9pBrsAhcxQ&s=19

sounds absolutely made up lol

I don't know why you'd bother, he shot 43% from the field. What the **** were his other shots?

[feyki]

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I know that competition wasn't the greatest back then and all, but you can't watch this and tell me that Mikan wasn't a skilled basketball player. He could make long hooks from either hand, he made a nice face up move after pump fake and he even used spin move in the post.

Enjoy watching the first NBA GOAT in his absolute prime!

He had Hakeem level strenght and Dirk level mobility, incredible combination form. Also, he was even bettter against Harlem in those years and faced Nat Clifton most of the playoffs in the early 50's NBA.

When Lebron played with 35/10 140 ORTG when his team winning with blowouts, but toughest basketball in the NBA history was not competitive . Just lying yourself.

[70sFan]

By the way, Vlade Divac reminds Jokic a lot more in my opinion - unlike Arvydas, he legitimatelly could run the offense and although he wasn't the shooter Jokic is, his passing is very underrated compared to Sabonis:

Watch on YouTube

[feyki]

AD has had 28 games with 25,5 PPG, 11 RPG, 3 APG, +4 rORTG, +6 rDRTG and only second to Gobert in shot defence with 17,5 DFGA and %42,5 DFG.

If no name player played with that level probably he was in the mvp discussion.

Embiid is with ten more games on the numbers looks like; 29 PPG, 11 RPG, 4,5 APG, +8 rORTG, +4 rDRTG and being not in the top 25 for shot defences with 18,8 DFGA and %49,5 DFG.

With a scenario, Embiid missing five or more games and Davis is playing around 30/10/3 with 116 ORTG and 103 DRTG like he did in the last 3 games after returned, I would put AD over Embiid.

[70sFan]

AD has had 28 games with 25,5 PPG, 11 RPG, 3 APG, +4 rORTG, +6 rDRTG and only second to Gobert in shot defence with 17,5 DFGA and %42,5 DFG.

Am I missing something? Davis averages 23.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.8 apg and I don't know where do you get rORtg and rDRtg numbers from either...

[feyki]

AD has had 28 games with 25,5 PPG, 11 RPG, 3 APG, +4 rORTG, +6 rDRTG and only second to Gobert in shot defence with 17,5 DFGA and %42,5 DFG.

Am I missing something? Davis averages 23.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.8 apg and I don't know where do you get rORtg and rDRtg numbers from either...

Excluding 3 games where he averaged 17 minutes...

[70sFan]

AD has had 28 games with 25,5 PPG, 11 RPG, 3 APG, +4 rORTG, +6 rDRTG and only second to Gobert in shot defence with 17,5 DFGA and %42,5 DFG.

Am I missing something? Davis averages 23.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.8 apg and I don't know where do you get rORtg and rDRtg numbers from either...

Excluding 3 games where he averaged 17 minutes...

He has exactly one game when he played less than 17 minutes. Do you exclude all games when Embiid played low minutes as well? If not, why?

Since Embiid came back, he averages 31.4 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 4.5 apg on much better efficiency in 30 games - looks a bit better than Davis, don't you think?

[feyki]

Am I missing something? Davis averages 23.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 2.8 apg and I don't know where do you get rORtg and rDRtg numbers from either...

Excluding 3 games where he averaged 17 minutes...

He has exactly one game when he played less than 17 minutes. Do you exclude all games when Embiid played low minutes as well? If not, why?

Since Embiid came back, he averages 31.4 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 4.5 apg on much better efficiency in 30 games - looks a bit better than Davis, don't you think?

One return game, another left game and also 7 minutes game. I did not include all low minutes AD's game. Also, Embiid 30+ mins games is with 29,5 PPG, it's not like that there's dramatic difference.

[Peregrine01]

Feel like the Nets are falling apart. They look disjointed and uninterested. Harden looks like he doesn't want to be there (or on any team where he doesn't dominate the ball).

I remember how a lot of us questioned how a team like this would even work with the individualist (see: selfish) play styles and diva personalities. Wasn't expecting this to break apart in a wimper but it looks like it's already underway.