2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[brettski]

People are smoking that peace pipe if they think Jokic is the front runner, it’s Embiid no doubt about it, 2nd seed and could take the 1st seed soon.

or he could lead the 6ers to a loss against the 11th placed Wizards who were on a back to back without Beal. Irrespective of that declaring leading a team to a top 2 seed in the east is more meaningless than usual when the difference between 1st and 6th is 3 games.

[dygaction]

Not good for Embiid.
Rested last game against red hot Memphis, 76ers won in OT without him.
Came back to take down Wizards without Beal, but lost.

[ty 4191]

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/02/01/nikola-jokic-joel-embiid-nba-mvp-debate

Jokić vs. Embiid Is the MVP Debate That Matters

Who is more deserving of the MVP? Who is the better player? Let’s debate!

MICHAEL PINA AND ROHAN NADKARNIFEB 1, 2022

Nikola Jokić versus Joel Embiid. Who is more deserving of the MVP? Who is the better player? Why do people assume Embiid is having a better season or is more valuable to his team? Michael Pina and Rohan Nadkarni weigh in on the debate.

Michael Pina: So this email comes in from Alex, who writes:

"All I seem to hear from the media is praise for Joel Embiid and how he has put the 76ers on his back and is "leading the MVP race." I just can't help but ask a question. Why is everyone seemingly pretending that Nikola Jokić is not doing what he is doing on a nightly basis?

"Jokić leads Embiid in every per 36 category, aside from turnovers with an almost negligible difference points. Not to mention, if you pull up advanced stats, it is ludicrous how many categories Jokić leads in. I understand that Jokić is not the "sexiest player" and from a marketing standpoint, he probably isn't the best choice to label as the face of the NBA. But when you look at the numbers, he is almost undoubtedly the best player in the world.

"Why is everyone just ignoring what Jokić is doing without two of the three best players on his team? In my eyes, Jokić is running away with MVP. And I'm not trying to downplay the season Embiid is having at all, but he is simply just not the better player."

So, I just want to say off the top, like every so often we get an email here that turns me into the Antonio Banderas gif from the movie Assassins, where he's leaning back and exhaling after he takes a glance at the laptop. That was me after I read this because ...

Rohan Nadkarni: You were a born Sixers hater.

Michael Pina: This has nothing to do with that, but I will say that I have noticed this wave of "Joel Embiid is the MVP" from certain media members and the narrative that is forming. And I'm just like, this is very annoying stuff.

I'll throw it to you before I rattle off even more points about why this upsets me. What are your thoughts about the Joel Embiid-Jokic MVP race? And is it a two-person race for you, or are there more players involved?

Rohan Nadkarni: I'll say in a macro sense, Embiid versus Jokić is truly one of the great basketball questions of our time. And I mean that genuinely. Don't you want to see what happens if they switched places for a week? Like, give them each 10 games with the other's team and see what happens? That would be a fascinating experiment. I have no idea how it would go.

Listen, I've picked Jokić as my midseason MVP. Alex, if you're looking for "media members" or "national media guys" who are conducting the Jokić train, that's me. We're Chris Pine and Denzel Washington. We're unstoppable, baby. That train is rolling down the tracks. And I made my case, I believe he's still in the 100th percentile, according to Cleaning the Glass, in on-off differential; the Nuggets play like one of the best teams in the NBA when Jokić is on the floor, they're one of the worst teams of the century when he's off the floor. He's made a massive impact.

At the same time, I think Embiid's gaining ground. How can you deny that he's put himself in the race?

I think it's fair to say Kevin Durant's almost certainly not winning MVP anymore. Steph Curry is close to Jokić in terms of impact, on-off numbers. There's no doubting what Steph means when he's on the floor. I believe I wrote this recently, the threat of his shot probably means more than whether or not his actual shots are going in or not. That's how dangerous ...

Michael Pina: Which is good news for the Warriors. They're not really going in anymore.

Rohan Nadkarni: Which is terrifying for defenses at the same time. I just think that the shooting dip, I just think it's ultimately going to hurt Curry in terms of MVP.

So I do think Embiid is in the race. You make it sound like it's almost not close. I think it's close. And there's just a lot of season left.

Embiid I think obviously at the moment is scoring in a more exciting way at least. You wrote about his mid-range last year, Mike. I haven't looked at the numbers. Anecdotally, at least I just think he's shooting the hell out of the ball a lot more, a lot better than he was at the start of the season and that's helped in terms of some of his scoring uptick. But it's hard to separate those guys, it really is, because we will never know what they would do if they trade places.

Michael Pina: Embiid's scoring in the last 15 games—I mean, he's averaging 34, shooting 54% from the floor ...

Nadkarni: It's nuts.

Pina: It's insane stuff.

Nadkarni: There's a thing about Embiid that when you watch him, and this isn't to take anything away from Jokić, who's obviously incredibly effective as a scorer, and I think for a long time had the best effective field goal percentage in the league or he's been high up there all year long, especially in terms of people who take as many shots a game as he does. There's just a certain dominance to the way Embiid plays sometimes.

I feel like Nuggets fans are going to get mad at me for this—even though I picked Jokić as the MVP and he is still my MVP—I think you can more credibly guard Jokić one-on-one than you can Embiid. I just don't think there's anybody in the league who can guard Embiid, I don't. That is not to say that that's why Embiid should be the MVP. But I think that's why he gets that extra bump that Nikola Jokić doesn't get. There's a brutishness to some of Jokić's scoring, not his overall game, that I think people just, they don't know what to do.

Pina: I think Embiid is amazing. I think that he would be second if I had to vote right now. I agree with you that there is a lot of more basketball to be played. Embiid could easily shoot ahead. If he continues to average 34 and 12 and when he's on the floor, his team is plus-8 or whatever it is, then yeah. Especially if the Sixers finish with the top seed in the East, he's just going to win the award because the Nuggets aren't going to finish in the top two in the West because of where the Warriors and the Suns are. And a lot of voters look at winning and they value that a lot.

I will say it's really interesting for you to bring that specific point up about Embiid being unstoppable one-on-one which he is, no doubt about it.

The Milwaukee Bucks played the Denver Nuggets Sunday night. The Nuggets won in a blowout. And after the game Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jrue Holiday, both were upset about Mike Budenholzer's defensive strategy against Jokić. Because they were showing help every single time Jokić touched the ball. They would double, they would shade over, they would pre-rotate. And Jokić was just picking them apart. Like that's what he does. He loves passing, he loves finding open cutters, open shooters, and the Nuggets shot like 53% from behind the three-point line and ended up winning by a very large margin. And Jokić didn't even have to score.

And after the game Giannis was like, I wish that we guarded this guy straight up, one-on-one. And the reason that they didn't is because Jokić would obliterate Bobby Portis one-on-one. Like he would score 55 points if that was the defensive strategy. And the Nuggets still would've won by probably a lot of points. So I get what you're saying about Embiid and him being unstoppable. And I don't think you're discrediting Jokić but Jokić is truly unstoppable in the post. And in a different type of way, viscerally and aesthetically, but he is also unstoppable.

Nadkarni: That's a good way to put it. They're both unstoppable. I think Embiid just somehow does it in a way that resonates more with people. We live in a society that is still quite not ready to know what to do with Nikola Jokić.

Pina: It's true. We don't.

Pina: Real quick, I said I would go back to this. You mentioned the on- offs, and I want to sit on this question for a while, 'cause I it's really been bothering me as you can tell.

As you said, Jokic leads the league in on-off differential at plus-22.2. The next highest is George Hill at plus-18.3. Joel Embiid ranks 21st at plus-10.8. Steph Curry is 11th at plus-12.6. Jokic is plus-22.2. Like it's just, I know on-off isn't everything, and if you want to go through every other statistical measurement we can, and Jokic will be better.

But like that right there to me is like, it's called most valuable player. That's just what it's called.

Nadkarni: They have a net rating with Jokic on the floor that I believe would be the best in the NBA. I mean, obviously the Warriors have a great net rating when Steph is on the floor, you know, there's reasons for that, etc. But the Nuggets play like the Suns or the Warriors when Jokic is on the floor, and they are truly one of the worst teams of the millennium when Jokic isn't playing. It's that stark of a difference.

[Wolfgang630]

Media is garbage. They control narratives for sure.

[Freighttrain]

Whoever wins the MVP, it's not going to be a memorable one that's for sure. Either it's going to be player x with great stats but an average to bad record, or player y as the best player on the team with a great record, but not that individually special. No clear MVPs such as Giannis, LeBron, KD, or Steph where both criteria were clearly present

[eyeatoma]

Not good for Embiid.
Rested last game against red hot Memphis, 76ers won in OT without him.
Came back to take down Wizards without Beal, but lost.

Jokic played last game, and they lost. He didn't play today, and they lost. Hmmmm

See what I did there?

[BelgradeNugget]

Not good for Embiid.
Rested last game against red hot Memphis, 76ers won in OT without him.
Came back to take down Wizards without Beal, but lost.

Jokic played last game, and they lost. He didn't play today, and they lost. Hmmmm

See what I did there?

Hm, you didn't get it right.
76ers WON against GOOD TEAM WITHOUT Embiid.
76ers LOST against BAD TEAM MISSING THEIR BEST PLAYER WITH Embiid
Nuggets LOST WITH Jokic AGAINST GOOD TEAM (10-15 in their last 15 games)
Nuggets LOST against team missing 2 best players (and 4 best of 6) that had won 4 of their last 15 games WITHOUT Jokic.
See a difference?

[eyeatoma]

Not good for Embiid.
Rested last game against red hot Memphis, 76ers won in OT without him.
Came back to take down Wizards without Beal, but lost.

Jokic played last game, and they lost. He didn't play today, and they lost. Hmmmm

See what I did there?

Hm, you didn't get it right.
76ers WON against GOOD TEAM WITHOUT Embiid.
76ers LOST against BAD TEAM MISSING THEIR BEST PLAYER WITH Embiid
Nuggets LOST WITH Jokic AGAINST GOOD TEAM (10-15 in their last 15 games)
Nuggets LOST against team missing 2 best players (and 4 best of 6) that had won 4 of their last 15 games WITHOUT Jokic.
See a difference?

No, all of this is just dumb. Just wait till the end.

[ty 4191]

Not good for Embiid.
Rested last game against red hot Memphis, 76ers won in OT without him.
Came back to take down Wizards without Beal, but lost.

Jokic played last game, and they lost. He didn't play today, and they lost. Hmmmm

See what I did there?

Lifetime:
--Nuggets record without Jokic: 10-16 (.385)

--76ers record without Embiid: 62-85 (.422)

2021-2022:
--Nuggets sans Jokic: 1-5 (.167)

--76ers sans Embiid 4-8: (.333)

2021-2022:
-Jokic on/off: +21.9
-Embiid on/off: +10.7

See what I did there?

[eyeatoma]

Not good for Embiid.
Rested last game against red hot Memphis, 76ers won in OT without him.
Came back to take down Wizards without Beal, but lost.

Jokic played last game, and they lost. He didn't play today, and they lost. Hmmmm

See what I did there?

Lifetime:
--Nuggets record without Jokic: 10-16 (.385)

--76ers record without Embiid: 62-85 (.422)

2021-2022:
--Nuggets sans Jokic: 1-5 (.167)

--76ers sans Embiid 4-8: (.333)

2021-2022:
-Jokic on/off: +21.9
-Embiid on/off: +10.7

See what I did there?

Take a look at the lifetime records with Embiid playing and with Jokic playing. Sixers have a better record.

[Hussien Fatal]

People are smoking that peace pipe if they think Jokic is the front runner, it’s Embiid no doubt about it, 2nd seed and could take the 1st seed soon.

or he could lead the 6ers to a loss against the 11th placed Wizards who were on a back to back without Beal. Irrespective of that declaring leading a team to a top 2 seed in the east is more meaningless than usual when the difference between 1st and 6th is 3 games.

Well even with the loss last night the sixers record when he plays stand at 27-12 which is still the highest win percentage in the east. Nobody expected the sixers to be playing nearly as well as they have. The narrative is goat level.

[Dutchball97]

People are smoking that peace pipe if they think Jokic is the front runner, it’s Embiid no doubt about it, 2nd seed and could take the 1st seed soon.

or he could lead the 6ers to a loss against the 11th placed Wizards who were on a back to back without Beal. Irrespective of that declaring leading a team to a top 2 seed in the east is more meaningless than usual when the difference between 1st and 6th is 3 games.

Well even with the loss last night the sixers record when he plays stand at 27-12 which is still the highest win percentage in the east. Nobody expected the sixers to be playing nearly as well as they have. The narrative is goat level.

Surely you can't be serious, right?

[AdagioPace]

or he could lead the 6ers to a loss against the 11th placed Wizards who were on a back to back without Beal. Irrespective of that declaring leading a team to a top 2 seed in the east is more meaningless than usual when the difference between 1st and 6th is 3 games.

Well even with the loss last night the sixers record when he plays stand at 27-12 which is still the highest win percentage in the east. Nobody expected the sixers to be playing nearly as well as they have. The narrative is goat level.

Surely you can't be serious, right?

if Embiid doesn't play anymore he still wins MVP because the team record with him playing stays immaculate logically sound!

[SpreeS]

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/02/01/nikola-jokic-joel-embiid-nba-mvp-debate

Jokić vs. Embiid Is the MVP Debate That Matters

Who is more deserving of the MVP? Who is the better player? Let’s debate!

MICHAEL PINA AND ROHAN NADKARNIFEB 1, 2022

Nikola Jokić versus Joel Embiid. Who is more deserving of the MVP? Who is the better player? Why do people assume Embiid is having a better season or is more valuable to his team? Michael Pina and Rohan Nadkarni weigh in on the debate.

Michael Pina: So this email comes in from Alex, who writes:

"All I seem to hear from the media is praise for Joel Embiid and how he has put the 76ers on his back and is "leading the MVP race." I just can't help but ask a question. Why is everyone seemingly pretending that Nikola Jokić is not doing what he is doing on a nightly basis?

"Jokić leads Embiid in every per 36 category, aside from turnovers with an almost negligible difference points. Not to mention, if you pull up advanced stats, it is ludicrous how many categories Jokić leads in. I understand that Jokić is not the "sexiest player" and from a marketing standpoint, he probably isn't the best choice to label as the face of the NBA. But when you look at the numbers, he is almost undoubtedly the best player in the world.

"Why is everyone just ignoring what Jokić is doing without two of the three best players on his team? In my eyes, Jokić is running away with MVP. And I'm not trying to downplay the season Embiid is having at all, but he is simply just not the better player."

So, I just want to say off the top, like every so often we get an email here that turns me into the Antonio Banderas gif from the movie Assassins, where he's leaning back and exhaling after he takes a glance at the laptop. That was me after I read this because ...

Rohan Nadkarni: You were a born Sixers hater.

Michael Pina: This has nothing to do with that, but I will say that I have noticed this wave of "Joel Embiid is the MVP" from certain media members and the narrative that is forming. And I'm just like, this is very annoying stuff.

I'll throw it to you before I rattle off even more points about why this upsets me. What are your thoughts about the Joel Embiid-Jokic MVP race? And is it a two-person race for you, or are there more players involved?

Rohan Nadkarni: I'll say in a macro sense, Embiid versus Jokić is truly one of the great basketball questions of our time. And I mean that genuinely. Don't you want to see what happens if they switched places for a week? Like, give them each 10 games with the other's team and see what happens? That would be a fascinating experiment. I have no idea how it would go.

Listen, I've picked Jokić as my midseason MVP. Alex, if you're looking for "media members" or "national media guys" who are conducting the Jokić train, that's me. We're Chris Pine and Denzel Washington. We're unstoppable, baby. That train is rolling down the tracks. And I made my case, I believe he's still in the 100th percentile, according to Cleaning the Glass, in on-off differential; the Nuggets play like one of the best teams in the NBA when Jokić is on the floor, they're one of the worst teams of the century when he's off the floor. He's made a massive impact.

At the same time, I think Embiid's gaining ground. How can you deny that he's put himself in the race?

I think it's fair to say Kevin Durant's almost certainly not winning MVP anymore. Steph Curry is close to Jokić in terms of impact, on-off numbers. There's no doubting what Steph means when he's on the floor. I believe I wrote this recently, the threat of his shot probably means more than whether or not his actual shots are going in or not. That's how dangerous ...

Michael Pina: Which is good news for the Warriors. They're not really going in anymore.

Rohan Nadkarni: Which is terrifying for defenses at the same time. I just think that the shooting dip, I just think it's ultimately going to hurt Curry in terms of MVP.

So I do think Embiid is in the race. You make it sound like it's almost not close. I think it's close. And there's just a lot of season left.

Embiid I think obviously at the moment is scoring in a more exciting way at least. You wrote about his mid-range last year, Mike. I haven't looked at the numbers. Anecdotally, at least I just think he's shooting the hell out of the ball a lot more, a lot better than he was at the start of the season and that's helped in terms of some of his scoring uptick. But it's hard to separate those guys, it really is, because we will never know what they would do if they trade places.

Michael Pina: Embiid's scoring in the last 15 games—I mean, he's averaging 34, shooting 54% from the floor ...

Nadkarni: It's nuts.

Pina: It's insane stuff.

Nadkarni: There's a thing about Embiid that when you watch him, and this isn't to take anything away from Jokić, who's obviously incredibly effective as a scorer, and I think for a long time had the best effective field goal percentage in the league or he's been high up there all year long, especially in terms of people who take as many shots a game as he does. There's just a certain dominance to the way Embiid plays sometimes.

I feel like Nuggets fans are going to get mad at me for this—even though I picked Jokić as the MVP and he is still my MVP—I think you can more credibly guard Jokić one-on-one than you can Embiid. I just don't think there's anybody in the league who can guard Embiid, I don't. That is not to say that that's why Embiid should be the MVP. But I think that's why he gets that extra bump that Nikola Jokić doesn't get. There's a brutishness to some of Jokić's scoring, not his overall game, that I think people just, they don't know what to do.

Pina: I think Embiid is amazing. I think that he would be second if I had to vote right now. I agree with you that there is a lot of more basketball to be played. Embiid could easily shoot ahead. If he continues to average 34 and 12 and when he's on the floor, his team is plus-8 or whatever it is, then yeah. Especially if the Sixers finish with the top seed in the East, he's just going to win the award because the Nuggets aren't going to finish in the top two in the West because of where the Warriors and the Suns are. And a lot of voters look at winning and they value that a lot.

I will say it's really interesting for you to bring that specific point up about Embiid being unstoppable one-on-one which he is, no doubt about it.

The Milwaukee Bucks played the Denver Nuggets Sunday night. The Nuggets won in a blowout. And after the game Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jrue Holiday, both were upset about Mike Budenholzer's defensive strategy against Jokić. Because they were showing help every single time Jokić touched the ball. They would double, they would shade over, they would pre-rotate. And Jokić was just picking them apart. Like that's what he does. He loves passing, he loves finding open cutters, open shooters, and the Nuggets shot like 53% from behind the three-point line and ended up winning by a very large margin. And Jokić didn't even have to score.

And after the game Giannis was like, I wish that we guarded this guy straight up, one-on-one. And the reason that they didn't is because Jokić would obliterate Bobby Portis one-on-one. Like he would score 55 points if that was the defensive strategy. And the Nuggets still would've won by probably a lot of points. So I get what you're saying about Embiid and him being unstoppable. And I don't think you're discrediting Jokić but Jokić is truly unstoppable in the post. And in a different type of way, viscerally and aesthetically, but he is also unstoppable.

Nadkarni: That's a good way to put it. They're both unstoppable. I think Embiid just somehow does it in a way that resonates more with people. We live in a society that is still quite not ready to know what to do with Nikola Jokić.

Pina: It's true. We don't.

Pina: Real quick, I said I would go back to this. You mentioned the on- offs, and I want to sit on this question for a while, 'cause I it's really been bothering me as you can tell.

As you said, Jokic leads the league in on-off differential at plus-22.2. The next highest is George Hill at plus-18.3. Joel Embiid ranks 21st at plus-10.8. Steph Curry is 11th at plus-12.6. Jokic is plus-22.2. Like it's just, I know on-off isn't everything, and if you want to go through every other statistical measurement we can, and Jokic will be better.

But like that right there to me is like, it's called most valuable player. That's just what it's called.

Nadkarni: They have a net rating with Jokic on the floor that I believe would be the best in the NBA. I mean, obviously the Warriors have a great net rating when Steph is on the floor, you know, there's reasons for that, etc. But the Nuggets play like the Suns or the Warriors when Jokic is on the floor, and they are truly one of the worst teams of the millennium when Jokic isn't playing. It's that stark of a difference.

Everyone could use stats for their own purposes. +/- netrtg depends on how coaches uses 1st and 2nd units. Malone doesnt mix units a lot, he prefers old fashion rotations

For example DEN starters w/o Jokic

Green 428min
Gordon 409min
Barton 291min
Morris 275min

MIL starters w/o Giannis

Holiday 594min
Middleton 557min
Portis 570min
Allen 381min

ofcouse DEN units w/o Jokic and starters would look way worst than MIL units w/o Giannis and vice versa Jokic will look better than Giannis b/c he is playing more with starters.

[AdagioPace]

Everyone could use stats for their own purposes. +/- netrtg depends on how coaches uses 1st and 2nd units. Malone doesnt mix units a lot, he prefers old fashion rotations

For example DEN starters w/o Jokic

Green 428min
Gordon 409min
Barton 291min
Morris 275min

MIL starters w/o Giannis

Holiday 594min
Middleton 557min
Portis 570min
Allen 381min

ofcouse DEN units w/o Jokic and starters would look way worst than MIL units w/o Giannis and vice versa Jokic will look better than Giannis b/c he is playing more with starters.

the problem is that Nuggets' starters are comparable to other teams' bench units! So "Jokic playing a lot with starters, hence he looks better" is a bit superficial as a statement. It requires at least a careful weighting of the starters' quality

[Ballerhogger]

Still 2nd half of basketball to be played . Embiid needs to be relatively healthy .

[SpreeS]

Everyone could use stats for their own purposes. +/- netrtg depends on how coaches uses 1st and 2nd units. Malone doesnt mix units a lot, he prefers old fashion rotations

For example DEN starters w/o Jokic

Green 428min
Gordon 409min
Barton 291min
Morris 275min

MIL starters w/o Giannis

Holiday 594min
Middleton 557min
Portis 570min
Allen 381min

ofcouse DEN units w/o Jokic and starters would look way worst than MIL units w/o Giannis and vice versa Jokic will look better than Giannis b/c he is playing more with starters.

the problem is that Nuggets' starters are comparable to other teams' bench units! So "Jokic playing a lot with starters, hence he looks better" is a bit superficial as a statement. It requires at least a careful weighting of the starters' quality

Its not about starters quality, its how you rotate starters with bench unit.

[Ron Swanson]

I'll preface this by saying Jokic would be my MVP vote as of now, but no, let's please just stop with the "he's carrying a roster of bench guys" thing. It's such an overplayed and inaccurate narrative. Aaron Gordon has been a starter his entire career. Will Barton has been a starter on this same Denver team for the past 4-5 seasons, and his lone season on the bench since coming over from Portland, he was a legit 6th Man of the Year candidate. Monte Morris is one of the best back-up PG's in the league and would probably start for a lot of teams if he wasn't stuck behind Jamal Murray for his entire career thus far. Jeff Green literally started for a championship contending Nets team last year. All of these guys are quality to above-average starting players in this league, and have been for a while. I actually agree with Malone's strategy (playing Jokic as much as they can with the starters then hoping your bench unit can just survive), but it also perfectly illustrates why on/off numbers need context behind them.

[Dutchball97]

I'll preface this by saying Jokic would be my MVP vote as of now, but no, let's please just stop with the "he's carrying a roster of bench guys" thing. It's such an overplayed and inaccurate narrative. Aaron Gordon has been a starter his entire career. Will Barton has been a starter on this same Denver team for the past 4-5 seasons, and his lone season on the bench since coming over from Portland, he was a legit 6th Man of the Year candidate. Monte Morris is one of the best back-up PG's in the league and would probably start for a lot of teams if he wasn't stuck behind Jamal Murray for his entire career thus far. Jeff Green literally started for a championship contending Nets team last year. All of these guys are quality to above-average starting players in this league, and have been for a while. I actually agree with Malone's strategy (playing Jokic as much as they can with the starters then hoping your bench unit can just survive), but it also perfectly illustrates why on/off numbers need context behind them.

There might be a universe out there where Jeff Green, Monte Morris and Will Barton are above average starters but it isn't the one we're living in.

[Statlanta]

Jokic is my MVP but I wouldn't mind if Embiid won it. Joker doesn't care about the award and has won already. Not to mention these awards are used as bonus for these players. Crowning Embiid for a tough situation wouldn't too bad unless Joker is absolutely crushing him in every stat.