Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[jangles86]

Why is it so appealing to the Wizards owner and front office to be stuck on a treadmill for the last two decades.

[mhd]

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At least Abe was authentic and a good guy. Ted sucks as an owner. He can't admit he is ever wrong. Signing Beal to a mega deal will be an Alan Houston type disaster. Going for the play-in every year is a recipe for disaster. REBUILD THE TEAM! There's nothing wrong with going with young guys and doing BOYD trades. Kispert, Deni, and Rui are the only players worth watching on the team at the moment. I'd rather watch young guys than vets. Trade Beal for Simmons+future picks and avoid the disaster that that contract would place on the team.

[Gig18]

Beal --- who's not having the same season he did last year (when he had a point guard) --- is the closest thing we have to a "star" player. If you don't get a "star" player in return, it IS a tear down and start over. It can take YEARS to be bad enough to get a top 3 pick. And even then, you don't always get a "star" player. Otto Porter.

[Dat2U]

Blow it up:

Beal & A. Holiday to the 76ers for Simmons, Maxey & a 2023 unprotected 1st.

Harrell to the Bucks for DiVincenzo, Hood & Olejeye

KCP to the Knicks for Reddish, Arcidiacono & Samanic.

[Frichuela]

Blow it up:

Beal & A. Holiday to the 76ers for Simmons, Maxey & a 2023 unprotected 1st.

Harrell to the Bucks for DiVincenzo, Hood & Olejeye

KCP to the Knicks for Reddish, Arcidiacono & Samanic.

Sorry but PHI ain’t giving us Simmons+Maxey+1st rounder for Beal, not happening…

[Ruzious]

Yeah, I think it's pretty clear by now that Maxey's a keeper for Philly. We'd probably have to throw in at least Avdija to get them to consider that before they decline. And Tommy would be Executive of the Year if Philly throws in an unprotected FRP.

[JAR69]

Is it worth noting that the Wizards and Philly don’t play each other again this year, so no danger of Simmons having to play there if he’s traded to us?

[payitforward]

...I was ready to trade Beal at the Trade Deadline last year rather than make a playoff push. Yes, Sheppard decided to go for the playoffs and was actually successful, but it still wasn't a great long term choice. We could have made the Gafford trade AND traded Beal for future picks and then tanked into a top 7 pick.

But once Sheppard made the decision to go for the playoffs last year, I don't really have much on an issue with his performance afterwards. Like you, I wasn't thrilled with how we squandered the #22 pick, but it's not like Sheppard made a serious of egregious mistakes. Indeed, Sheppard can still salvage the situation if he trades Beal for Simmons and extracts a little value out of Harrell (and maybe KCP and Dinwiddie too, if possible).

Perfect, nate.

In fact, I might just want to keep Dinwiddie if Beal is gone. He's hurt his trade value, & it seems clear that he & Brad didn't get along as teammates.

[pancakes3]

Beal + whatever for Dame.

Definition of treadmill

Our team has a lot of complementary pieces. Arguably too many pieces*. We're just missing is a superstar, which in the modern NBA means that we need a ball-dominant player who can create and finish out games in close situations. Simmons ain't that dude. Beal isn't quite that guy because his handles are weak, and teams don't need to collapse as much when he drives. Dame is that dude, and is probably the only obtainable player who fits the bill of what we need.

Otherwise, there are no trade partners. Trae, Luka, Garland, Ja, Spider, Jamal Murray... nobody is going to trade those guys for Beal + pieces. I don't even think we'd be able to get DeJounte Murray.

To me, a treadmill move would be getting someone like PG, Siakam, Sabonis, or Randle, who are very good players but isn't that ball-dominant cornerstone that we need. Dame would be an upgrade.

Otherwise, we need to spin off Beal for a rock solid, old school, pass-first point guard who can get everyone involved, even if he can't score, and have the offense be an equal-opportunity system and I'm not sure we have the shooters, the defenders, or the discipline to make that work.

*I think talent-wise, we're very similar to the pre-Kyrie/KD Nets where everyone can acknowledge that the team had a lot of very promising, talented, up-and-coming individuals, but the team didn't perform greater than the sum of its parts.

I had the same feeling about Chicago entering this season, except somehow they're making it work (pass-first PG making it an equal opportunity offense? nobody takes more than 20 shots a game, and the starting 5 all have at least 10 fga/gm).

[FAH1223]

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[Dat2U]

Blow it up:

Beal & A. Holiday to the 76ers for Simmons, Maxey & a 2023 unprotected 1st.

Harrell to the Bucks for DiVincenzo, Hood & Olejeye

KCP to the Knicks for Reddish, Arcidiacono & Samanic.

Sorry but PHI ain’t giving us Simmons+Maxey+1st rounder for Beal, not happening…

I still refuse to believe Simmons value has risen or stayed the same over the last year despite what everyone is putting out there. No other team is currently offering what Philly wants. Literally this is Philly's only & last chance not to waste Embiid's greatest season thus far. Maxey is good but 76ers not making it past the 2nd round this year with him as the 2nd option.

Or Philly can make a run at an older Harden in a S&T in the offseason AFTER eventually taking a playoff L this year. Harden is also in a significantly down year and is no guarantee to choose Philly in free agency.

[gambitx777]

Whats weird to me is how little we are expecting to get out of a Beal trade. I chalk it up to frustration but I think if we move him we get kroe than we think.

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[9 and 20]

Whats weird to me is how little we are expecting to get out of a Beal trade. I chalk it up to frustration but I think if we move him we get kroe than we think.

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He hasn't played nearly as well this year as last year. He can't shoot 3's anymore, it seems, and when he handles the ball a lot, that comes with lots of turnovers. And, he's a free agent after this year.

He's still good at lots of things, but at $40 mil a year, I don't think teams will be lining up to trade for him.

[GutUNC]

Blow it up:

Beal & A. Holiday to the 76ers for Simmons, Maxey & a 2023 unprotected 1st.

Harrell to the Bucks for DiVincenzo, Hood & Olejeye

KCP to the Knicks for Reddish, Arcidiacono & Samanic.

Sorry but PHI ain’t giving us Simmons+Maxey+1st rounder for Beal, not happening…

I still refuse to believe Simmons value has risen or stayed the same over the last year despite what everyone is putting out there. No other team is currently offering what Philly wants. Literally this is Philly's only & last chance not to waste Embiid's greatest season thus far. Maxey is good but 76ers not making it past the 2nd round this year with him as the 2nd option.

Or Philly can make a run at an older Harden in a S&T in the offseason AFTER eventually taking a playoff L this year. Harden is also in a significantly down year and is no guarantee to choose Philly in free agency.

Problem being that deal - while being a huge loss on value - also leaves the Sixers without a single capable ball-handler. Shake Milton for 40 minutes isn't taking you past the 2nd round either.

[nate33]

Blow it up:

Beal & A. Holiday to the 76ers for Simmons, Maxey & a 2023 unprotected 1st.

Harrell to the Bucks for DiVincenzo, Hood & Olejeye

KCP to the Knicks for Reddish, Arcidiacono & Samanic.

Sorry but PHI ain’t giving us Simmons+Maxey+1st rounder for Beal, not happening…

I still refuse to believe Simmons value has risen or stayed the same over the last year despite what everyone is putting out there. No other team is currently offering what Philly wants. Literally this is Philly's only & last chance not to waste Embiid's greatest season thus far. Maxey is good but 76ers not making it past the 2nd round this year with him as the 2nd option.

Or Philly can make a run at an older Harden in a S&T in the offseason AFTER eventually taking a playoff L this year. Harden is also in a significantly down year and is no guarantee to choose Philly in free agency.

I think Morey will fight hard to keep Maxey (and Thybulle) because their salary situation is so bloated that they desperately need a couple of rotation guys who cost virtually nothing. It'll be much easier to pry away future picks from them than it will be to pry away good, cheap players.

So if it's true that Beal still has a lot more value than Simmons, then the way to balance the scales is to extract more future picks. I think I'd prefer that anyway. I don't have a lot of confidence in Embiid's long term durability. A distant future pick might turn out to be a very nice asset.

I like that Harrell trade. It's actually really hard to find a team who would value Harrell. As an expiring contract, he only has value to teams who think they can contend this year. And most teams in position to contend are already set at center, or they lack salary ballast.

[GutUNC]

Sorry but PHI ain’t giving us Simmons+Maxey+1st rounder for Beal, not happening…

I still refuse to believe Simmons value has risen or stayed the same over the last year despite what everyone is putting out there. No other team is currently offering what Philly wants. Literally this is Philly's only & last chance not to waste Embiid's greatest season thus far. Maxey is good but 76ers not making it past the 2nd round this year with him as the 2nd option.

Or Philly can make a run at an older Harden in a S&T in the offseason AFTER eventually taking a playoff L this year. Harden is also in a significantly down year and is no guarantee to choose Philly in free agency.

I think Morey will fight hard to keep Maxey (and Thybulle) because their salary situation is so bloated that they desperately need a couple of rotation guys who cost virtually nothing. It'll be much easier to pry away future picks from them than it will be to pry away good, cheap players.

So if it's true that Beal still has a lot more value than Simmons, then the way to balance the scales is to extract more future picks. I think I'd prefer that anyway. I don't have a lot of confidence in Embiid's long term durability. A distant future pick might turn out to be a very nice asset.

I like that Harrell trade. It's actually really hard to find a team who would value Harrell. As an expiring contract, he only has value to teams who think they can contend this year. And most teams in position to contend are already set at center, or they lack salary ballast.

For the record, OKC has the Sixers 2025 pick protected so at the moment, 1st rounders from 2024-26 are not available. That can obviously be overcome if need be, but just putting it out there on the record.

[gambitx777]

Sorry but PHI ain’t giving us Simmons+Maxey+1st rounder for Beal, not happening…

I still refuse to believe Simmons value has risen or stayed the same over the last year despite what everyone is putting out there. No other team is currently offering what Philly wants. Literally this is Philly's only & last chance not to waste Embiid's greatest season thus far. Maxey is good but 76ers not making it past the 2nd round this year with him as the 2nd option.

Or Philly can make a run at an older Harden in a S&T in the offseason AFTER eventually taking a playoff L this year. Harden is also in a significantly down year and is no guarantee to choose Philly in free agency.

Problem being that deal - while being a huge loss on value - also leaves the Sixers without a single capable ball-handler. Shake Milton for 40 minutes isn't taking you past the 2nd round either.

Yeah but if you understand the reality of the situation. Ben Simmons is more or less a trade exception at this point. You can argue his value and blah blah blah, but he has not player value to the 76ers if he's never coming back, which he isn't. Anyone trying to say he might is silly. You don't burn 19 mill in your back yard and wake up one day and go yeah I'll go back lol. What they have PG wise is what they have. Beal is a pretty good upgrade for them. He can do a lot of things for them. Maxy/curry/shake are good enough at PG that is they add enough fire power next to embid they can go win a tittle. They have an MVP caliber player right now with a border line all-star on the team in Harris, like the trade I posted where they get Beal and grant who stops that team in the east? I'm just saying the bucks last year said **** the BS, let make any trade at all to win a tittle and they did. DM needs to stop worrying about 3-4 years from now and **** the BS and go after a ring right now!

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[badinage]

The beauty of a Simmons-Beal trade is:

We can then offload about 4 other players for young pieces (Christian Wood? or guys in that vein) and young upwardly mobile talent (Boston from the Clippers, etc.). We can kinda tank the season, getting BS (ha) acclimated and reshuffling for next year — maybe lucking into a high lottery pick.

And opening next season with some all-court players who are good and young, led by Simmons, and with perhaps a lotto pick stud like maybe Jayden Ivey

[GutUNC]

I still refuse to believe Simmons value has risen or stayed the same over the last year despite what everyone is putting out there. No other team is currently offering what Philly wants. Literally this is Philly's only & last chance not to waste Embiid's greatest season thus far. Maxey is good but 76ers not making it past the 2nd round this year with him as the 2nd option.

Or Philly can make a run at an older Harden in a S&T in the offseason AFTER eventually taking a playoff L this year. Harden is also in a significantly down year and is no guarantee to choose Philly in free agency.

Problem being that deal - while being a huge loss on value - also leaves the Sixers without a single capable ball-handler. Shake Milton for 40 minutes isn't taking you past the 2nd round either.

Yeah but if you understand the reality of the situation. Ben Simmons is more or less a trade exception at this point. You can argue his value and blah blah blah, but he has not player value to the 76ers if he's never coming back, which he isn't. Anyone trying to say he might is silly. You don't burn 19 mill in your back yard and wake up one day and go yeah I'll go back lol. What they have PG wise is what they have. Beal is a pretty good upgrade for them. He can do a lot of things for them. Maxy/curry/shake are good enough at PG that is they add enough fire power next to embid they can go win a tittle. They have an MVP caliber player right now with a border line all-star on the team in Harris, like the trade I posted where they get Beal and grant who stops that team in the east? I'm just saying the bucks last year said **** the BS, let make any trade at all to win a tittle and they did. DM needs to stop worrying about 3-4 years from now and **** the BS and go after a ring right now!

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1) You have the right to think that Simmons value is that of a trade exception, but that's not the opinion of someone who's going to negotiate a successful trade for him.

2) My response was to the person who said the price would be Simmons/Maxey/1st so the question is whether Shake/Curry is good enough, which is a resounding "no".

[gambitx777]

Problem being that deal - while being a huge loss on value - also leaves the Sixers without a single capable ball-handler. Shake Milton for 40 minutes isn't taking you past the 2nd round either.

Yeah but if you understand the reality of the situation. Ben Simmons is more or less a trade exception at this point. You can argue his value and blah blah blah, but he has not player value to the 76ers if he's never coming back, which he isn't. Anyone trying to say he might is silly. You don't burn 19 mill in your back yard and wake up one day and go yeah I'll go back lol. What they have PG wise is what they have. Beal is a pretty good upgrade for them. He can do a lot of things for them. Maxy/curry/shake are good enough at PG that is they add enough fire power next to embid they can go win a tittle. They have an MVP caliber player right now with a border line all-star on the team in Harris, like the trade I posted where they get Beal and grant who stops that team in the east? I'm just saying the bucks last year said **** the BS, let make any trade at all to win a tittle and they did. DM needs to stop worrying about 3-4 years from now and **** the BS and go after a ring right now!

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1) You have the right to think that Simmons value is that of a trade exception, but that's not the opinion of someone who's going to negotiate a successful trade for him.

2) My response was to the person who said the price would be Simmons/Maxey/1st so the question is whether Shake/Curry is good enough, which is a resounding "no".

Simmons only value is the value he has to the team trading for him. He has no value to the sixers cuz I don't think he's coming back.

And he does have value he can if he desires to be, a useful and very good player.

I don't think the 76ers hspuld trade Maxy at all. He's young on the rise and is under team control more or less for a good long while. You don't move that. He's a piece, not an asset at this point.

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