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2021-2022 Regular Season Game 53: Orlando Magic (11-41) at Indiana Pacers (19-33) - 2/2/22 - 7pm ET

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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 53: Orlando Magic (11-41) at Indiana Pacers (19-33) - 2/2/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#181 » by drsd » Thu Feb 3, 2022 2:51 pm

Skybox wrote:where's RJ Hampton? I've been asking that even when he plays-but I see he didn't...what's the near future hold for him? Is his trade value more or less than it was when we "demanded" him from DEN?


Ross and Harris are being showcased, and Hampton is losing out in the minutes-battle here. After one/both get traded, he then loses minutes to the return of Carter-Williams and Fultz.

So .......
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Post#182 » by JBSouthpaw » Thu Feb 3, 2022 3:19 pm

zaymon wrote:
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He has sprained knee. His value is a lot lower for sure. He is not rotation worthy on team with worst record in the nba.

ps. Indiana had veteran heavy lineup i am not suprised we struggled on their floor.


I'll disagree with that. He's a 20 y.o. (21 in 4 days, 4 months older than Suggs)who was locked in on the defensive side when he got hurt, needs to finish polishing his game. He was rotational on our team. Backlog of front court players costs him minutes, mix of young players and trying to keep trade value up vets.

The trade was AG for Harris, RJ and a 1st. I'd say he's still worth a third of AG!
Would be a respectable player to add in to any trade that upgrades the roster significantly.

ps. good point on Indy.


Honestly i am not sure with Hampton. Yes he was good on ball defender when focused but not good team defender and he lacks any semblence of basketball iq most of the time. I never liked him during draft process so its hard for me to be positive.


Yeah, I'm not dying on the RJ hill, but I'm not ready to climb down yet either. With Ross and Harris, he hasn't gotten the same look as Cole and Suggs.
Agree with what drsd said.
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Post#183 » by zaymon » Thu Feb 3, 2022 3:37 pm

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JBSouthpaw wrote:
I'll disagree with that. He's a 20 y.o. (21 in 4 days, 4 months older than Suggs)who was locked in on the defensive side when he got hurt, needs to finish polishing his game. He was rotational on our team. Backlog of front court players costs him minutes, mix of young players and trying to keep trade value up vets.

The trade was AG for Harris, RJ and a 1st. I'd say he's still worth a third of AG!
Would be a respectable player to add in to any trade that upgrades the roster significantly.

ps. good point on Indy.


Honestly i am not sure with Hampton. Yes he was good on ball defender when focused but not good team defender and he lacks any semblence of basketball iq most of the time. I never liked him during draft process so its hard for me to be positive.


Yeah, I'm not dying on the RJ hill, but I'm not ready to climb down yet either. With Ross and Harris, he hasn't gotten the same look as Cole and Suggs.
Agree with what drsd said.


One thing is for sure, apart from his value i think that his upside is middling. If he is really 6'6 then his ceiling is propably limited 3&D in the mold of Danny Green. He has a long way to go becouse his ft% is low, his frame is weak and his off ball instincts are bad.
I dont see secondary ball handler. I will agree that good 3&D is sometimes more important than averegae secondary ball handler. I am not giving up on him but he is so frustrating to watch !!!
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#184 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 3, 2022 4:38 pm

zaymon wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
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Honestly i am not sure with Hampton. Yes he was good on ball defender when focused but not good team defender and he lacks any semblence of basketball iq most of the time. I never liked him during draft process so its hard for me to be positive.


Yeah, I'm not dying on the RJ hill, but I'm not ready to climb down yet either. With Ross and Harris, he hasn't gotten the same look as Cole and Suggs.
Agree with what drsd said.


One thing is for sure, apart from his value i think that his upside is middling. If he is really 6'6 then his ceiling is propably limited 3&D in the mold of Danny Green. He has a long way to go becouse his ft% is low, his frame is weak and his off ball instincts are bad.
I dont see secondary ball handler. I will agree that good 3&D is sometimes more important than averegae secondary ball handler. I am not giving up on him but he is so frustrating to watch !!!


That’s where I am…hopeful but…
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Post#185 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 3, 2022 5:22 pm

Last year i held some hope that RJ Hampton can figure things out. He showed nothing this year.
He is two-ways- negative player on the court. He is young. That's it. Let's see what he can be next year, i'm not sure would i even pick his 4th year at this stage.
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Post#186 » by jezzerinho » Thu Feb 3, 2022 6:07 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Last year i held some hope that RJ Hampton can figure things out. He showed nothing this year.
He is two-ways- negative player on the court. He is young. That's it. Let's see what he can be next year, i'm not sure would i even pick his 4th year at this stage.


Me neither. There are too many good players in the league to waste too much time on players who aren't good. You have to be selective.
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Post#187 » by JBSouthpaw » Thu Feb 3, 2022 6:23 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Last year i held some hope that RJ Hampton can figure things out. He showed nothing this year.
He is two-ways- negative player on the court. He is young. That's it. Let's see what he can be next year, i'm not sure would i even pick his 4th year at this stage.


Me neither. There are too many good players in the league to waste too much time on players who aren't good. You have to be selective.


You guys realize, RJ's rookie is probably on par or better than Suggs? right?
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Post#188 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 3, 2022 6:37 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Last year i held some hope that RJ Hampton can figure things out. He showed nothing this year.
He is two-ways- negative player on the court. He is young. That's it. Let's see what he can be next year, i'm not sure would i even pick his 4th year at this stage.


Me neither. There are too many good players in the league to waste too much time on players who aren't good. You have to be selective.


You guys realize, RJ's rookie is probably on par or better than Suggs? right?
Defensively Suggs is the best rookie so far based on defensive Raptor.

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Post#189 » by JBSouthpaw » Thu Feb 3, 2022 6:52 pm

basketballRob wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
Me neither. There are too many good players in the league to waste too much time on players who aren't good. You have to be selective.


You guys realize, RJ's rookie is probably on par or better than Suggs? right?
Defensively Suggs is the best rookie so far based on defensive Raptor.

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where does his shooting and ball security rank?
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Post#190 » by zaymon » Thu Feb 3, 2022 6:58 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Last year i held some hope that RJ Hampton can figure things out. He showed nothing this year.
He is two-ways- negative player on the court. He is young. That's it. Let's see what he can be next year, i'm not sure would i even pick his 4th year at this stage.


Me neither. There are too many good players in the league to waste too much time on players who aren't good. You have to be selective.


You guys realize, RJ's rookie is probably on par or better than Suggs? right?


RJ had very bad offense and atrocious defense while Suggs has atrocious offense and elite defense :) Season is not over i hope Suggs improves his offense.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#191 » by RichCollab » Thu Feb 3, 2022 7:01 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Last year i held some hope that RJ Hampton can figure things out. He showed nothing this year.
He is two-ways- negative player on the court. He is young. That's it. Let's see what he can be next year, i'm not sure would i even pick his 4th year at this stage.


Me neither. There are too many good players in the league to waste too much time on players who aren't good. You have to be selective.


You guys realize, RJ's rookie is probably on par or better than Suggs? right?


RJ isn’t even close to Suggs.
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Post#192 » by JBSouthpaw » Thu Feb 3, 2022 7:42 pm

zaymon wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
Me neither. There are too many good players in the league to waste too much time on players who aren't good. You have to be selective.


You guys realize, RJ's rookie is probably on par or better than Suggs? right?


RJ had very bad offense and atrocious defense while Suggs has atrocious offense and elite defense :) Season is not over i hope Suggs improves his offense.


So, the guy who got a full pre-season camp and SL preformed better than the guy who got Neither & sat the bench on an elite team and got traded mid year??? WOW!

I like Suggs, but I think he is being overrated on defense, Indy and Chi players ate his lunch.
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Post#193 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 3, 2022 8:21 pm

Suggs usage vs efficiency makes him one of most overused bad rookies in 20 years.
His defense is fine, but people paint him as some modern Gary Payton or Pippen. He is not that.

I mean, guy shoots 24% for 3. Try miss 76 out of 100 shots, that is actually hard to achive :lol:

Maybe he will turn around, i hope he will, but he is far away from good.
People are just desparate for anything good so they put positive spin on everything. Especially if favorite team might burned yet another top 6 pick into average or bad player.
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Post#194 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 3, 2022 8:23 pm

Suggs has already played 32 games. That's 80% of half a season worth of games.

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Post#195 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 3, 2022 8:35 pm

Cole Anthony is shooting 216 from 3 in the last 17 games and is a below-average defender. I like his personality but his game hasn't been good for most of this season.

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Post#196 » by zaymon » Thu Feb 3, 2022 9:03 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
zaymon wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
You guys realize, RJ's rookie is probably on par or better than Suggs? right?


RJ had very bad offense and atrocious defense while Suggs has atrocious offense and elite defense :) Season is not over i hope Suggs improves his offense.


So, the guy who got a full pre-season camp and SL preformed better than the guy who got Neither & sat the bench on an elite team and got traded mid year??? WOW!

I like Suggs, but I think he is being overrated on defense, Indy and Chi players ate his lunch.


If you dont want to compare last year Hampton when he had disadvantage compare him to Suggs this year when he has clear advantage. He is worse against reserves than Jalen against starters.
I dont know if Suggs is overrated but he is much better than Hampton. Suggs is jumper away from being decent while Hampton is not good at anything right now.
I am not against Hampton i hope he develops nicely but right now he is not a promising prospect. Late first round guys rarely are starters.
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Post#197 » by Bergmaniac » Thu Feb 3, 2022 11:19 pm

basketballRob wrote:Cole Anthony is shooting 216 from 3 in the last 17 games and is a below-average defender. I like his personality but his game hasn't been good for most of this season.

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He's also shooting 24% from 3 at home for the season, pretty incredible stat.
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Post#198 » by drsd » Fri Feb 4, 2022 10:36 am

pepe1991 wrote:Last year i held some hope that RJ Hampton can figure things out. He showed nothing this year.
He is two-ways- negative player on the court. He is young. That's it. Let's see what he can be next year, i'm not sure would i even pick his 4th year at this stage.


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If the Magic retain Suggs, Fultz, Anthony, and also bring in a SG via some process, there is no reason to keep Hampton. He has had his NBA chance. He did not deliver. Will he get better? Maybe. But the Magic is not the team to groom him given the emerging depth chart.

I would not not normally expect him to have his option picked up, except that he is so cheap. So he probably will. But he is trade-filler at best for Orlando in the off-season.

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