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Is this the calm before the storm, or are we going to get a quiet deadline? It seems like there should be lots of activity given how open things are, but nothing yet.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Is this the calm before the storm, or are we going to get a quiet deadline? It seems like there should be lots of activity given how open things are, but nothing yet.

No one wants to be the first to make a small deal, and then have needed that piece to be able to aggregate for a bigger deal on the deadline day.

[Resistance]

Does this trade work for either team?

Knicks send Noel
Knicks get Burke, SBrown, MBrown

Mavs send Burke, SBrown, MBrown
Mavs get Noel

Then Mavs take Kemba into TPE

For Knicks it clears salary but still gives cheaper backups to maintain some depth.

For Mavs it gives another creator/scorer/shooter which they need with THJ out. Noel gives them an inside defensive presence to backup KP and perhaps start while he sits with a knee bone bruise. I don't like the added salary, but it does give them depth to ride out the absences.

With Dallas likely/possibly having Brunson on a new deal next season, I have the additions of Noel ($9,240,000) and Walker ($9,165,471) really pushing up the team salary for 2022-23.

Dallas has a different coach and different FO, but the same owner and he might not want to have Noel again. Walker could be okay in the regular season, but have him as a problem in the playoffs when opposing teams can/will target him on defense.

I don't have Dallas that interested in this trade.

[Texas Chuck]

Does this trade work for either team?

Knicks send Noel
Knicks get Burke, SBrown, MBrown

Mavs send Burke, SBrown, MBrown
Mavs get Noel

Then Mavs take Kemba into TPE

For Knicks it clears salary but still gives cheaper backups to maintain some depth.

For Mavs it gives another creator/scorer/shooter which they need with THJ out. Noel gives them an inside defensive presence to backup KP and perhaps start while he sits with a knee bone bruise. I don't like the added salary, but it does give them depth to ride out the absences.

With Dallas likely/possibly having Brunson on a new deal next season, I have the additions of Noel ($9,240,000) and Walker ($9,165,471) really pushing up the team salary for 2022-23.

Dallas has a different coach and different FO, but the same owner and he might not want to have Noel again. Walker could be okay in the regular season, but have him as a problem in the playoffs when opposing teams can/will target him on defense.

I don't have Dallas that interested in this trade.

your objections are all absolutely right.

I'd still do it. But I'm planning on a 2 year tax bill before ducking back under once KP comes off the books so....

But you are almost certainly correct that the Mavs wouldn't. But I would.

[Texas Chuck]

I think the Hawks should trade for Harrison Barnes and I think Hunter should be the center of the package while he still holds value, but I'm afraid to make a thread so just saying it here. Just seems so logical for both sides. And yes your side deserves incentive in that swap obviously.

[K_chile22]

Windhorst and Fischer both saying Pelicans have interest in Eric Gordon... What an awkward reunion that would be.. he still gets booed every time he touches the ball over there

[Troubadour]

I think the Hawks should trade for Harrison Barnes and I think Hunter should be the center of the package while he still holds value, but I'm afraid to make a thread so just saying it here. Just seems so logical for both sides. And yes your side deserves incentive in that swap obviously.

I would hope the Raptors would jump on that instantly as a third team getting Hunter. Perfect Raptor.

[Devilanche]

I think the Hawks should trade for Harrison Barnes and I think Hunter should be the center of the package while he still holds value, but I'm afraid to make a thread so just saying it here. Just seems so logical for both sides. And yes your side deserves incentive in that swap obviously.

That thread won’t end up well. Atlanta using up their potential wings up so fast in the same season they move reddish .

Value and fit wise it might be better though

[Texas Chuck]

you know what would be handy to have at the deadline right now? A $4M expiring attached to a playable guy. I mean I understand why WCS was the player cut but I would have dumped Moses Brown so they had that matching available. Makes small Dallas improvements that much harder....

[JMAC3]

All these Beal rumors, this is basically getting everyone ready for Wizards to deal in him in 3 days right?

If Wizards don't trade him they are pretty much doomed for the next 5 years.

[Texas Chuck]

If Wizards don't trade him they are pretty much doomed for the next 5 years.

Well no thats not how any of this works. They might struggle for 5 years because that's been a pretty poorly run organization but they don't have to trade Beal in a week or be doomed.

Feels like a Mountain Dew commercial around here right now with everyone trying so hard to be Extreme.

They aren't forced to give him a 5 year deal if they don't trade him this week. If they do give him a new 5 year deal it doesn't mean they can't find a way to build around him or potentially trade him later as we've seen teams before.

Clippers weren't doomed after giving Blake a 5 year max for instance.

[JMAC3]

If Wizards don't trade him they are pretty much doomed for the next 5 years.

Well no thats not how any of this works. They might struggle for 5 years because that's been a pretty poorly run organization but they don't have to trade Beal in a week or be doomed.

Feels like a Mountain Dew commercial around here right now with everyone trying so hard to be Extreme.

They aren't forced to give him a 5 year deal if they don't trade him this week. If they do give him a new 5 year deal it doesn't mean they can't find a way to build around him or potentially trade him later as we've seen teams before.

Clippers weren't doomed after giving Blake a 5 year max for instance.

I am not sure comparing Washington to LA is a good move. Clippers were okay because a superstar player wanted to join their team in free agency, that is not happening with Washington.

Beal is smart, he knows if he plays it cool he can secure the bag in Washington and get the god mode contract. Then all of sudden he is unhappy and requests a trade. In this scenario vs the current scenario Beal would be making way more money which makes it harder to trade him and also they lose a lot of leverage. Is Beal making 50 million a season going to even have a lot of trade value?

[shrink]

Summary of the Wolves’ trade position, from local reporter Jon Krawcinski:

* Once again mentions this is the most together team he has seen. They all love each other.
* Believes Vanderbilt is a MIP candidate
* Wolves remain Interested in Simmons but think a deal is unlikely
* Sounds like had Beal or Jaylen Brown been available Wolves would have swung for them???????
* KAT and ANT are the 2 untouchables
* Jaden McDaniels would require 'a massive return'
* Jarred Vanderbilt and D’Angelo Russell are only available in packages for stars
* Jaylen Nowell is available but only for an elite shooter
* Taurean Prince's good play means he is less likely to be moved than he was a month ago
* Both Minnesota and Pat Bev are interested in a contract extension - likely he stays
* Confirms the Wolves turned down Malik Beasley for Josh Richardson + Nesmith but he is available
* Naz Reid and Josh Okogie are likely candidates to be moved on
* Layman can be traded for a Hershey's kiss
* Jordan McLaughlin is available as long as we get a guard in
* Leandro Bolmaro is available as a sweetener for an upgrade on a rotation spot

[Texas Chuck]

I always feel bad for the beat guy who has to write things like only a massive return for McDaniels knowing that's never going to be offered. Or only an elite shooter for Nowell. I think I'd tell my source with the team look I'll just put it down as you really like these young players and aren't looking to move them.

Just sounds silly and I know Jon K has to feel silly printing that.

But it is encouraging to hear that the team is strongly united and with that being the case they would be wise to only make deals around the fringes. And if even Prince can't be traded then that's all they could do anyway as they couldn't match any meaningful number with Layman/Okogie/Reid.

I still think they should be buyers if they can find a guy they feel won't hurt chemistry. Harrison Barnes is still a guy I think checks a lot of boxes for them and his contract would be up before they had to pay Vanderbilt and McDaniels in case they both warrant big new long-term deals when their current deals expire.

[zimpy27]

Summary of the Wolves’ trade position, from local reporter Jon Krawcinski:

* Once again mentions this is the most together team he has seen. They all love each other.
* Believes Vanderbilt is a MIP candidate
* Wolves remain Interested in Simmons but think a deal is unlikely
* Sounds like had Beal or Jaylen Brown been available Wolves would have swung for them???????
* KAT and ANT are the 2 untouchables
* Jaden McDaniels would require 'a massive return'
* Jarred Vanderbilt and D’Angelo Russell are only available in packages for stars
* Jaylen Nowell is available but only for an elite shooter
* Taurean Prince's good play means he is less likely to be moved than he was a month ago
* Both Minnesota and Pat Bev are interested in a contract extension - likely he stays
* Confirms the Wolves turned down Malik Beasley for Josh Richardson + Nesmith but he is available
* Naz Reid and Josh Okogie are likely candidates to be moved on
* Layman can be traded for a Hershey's kiss
* Jordan McLaughlin is available as long as we get a guard in
* Leandro Bolmaro is available as a sweetener for an upgrade on a rotation spot

Not a fan of Beasley tbh, they should have done the deal for J-Rich. Or they should load value on to Beasley to get a better piece.

[aguiar95]

Would someone on the Wizard's side (Todd, Avdija, Kispert, Hachimura, Gafford) interest the Thunder so they'd give back the '23 WAS protected 1st (making it easier for WAS to give up '22 and '24 1sts in a deal for Sabonis)?

Deal for Sabonis would be:

IND in: '22 WAS 1st, '24 WAS 1st, prospect, Harrell for Sabonis
OKC in: prospect, Bryant for '23 WAS pick.
WAS in: Sabonis for picks, prospects and fillers.

[MasterIchiro]

Can Gafford be dealt?

[Devilanche]

Would someone on the Wizard's side (Todd, Avdija, Kispert, Hachimura, Gafford) interest the Thunder so they'd give back the '23 WAS protected 1st (making it easier for WAS to give up '22 and '24 1sts in a deal for Sabonis)?

Deal for Sabonis would be:

IND in: '22 WAS 1st, '24 WAS 1st, prospect, Harrell for Sabonis
OKC in: prospect, Bryant for '23 WAS pick.
WAS in: Sabonis for picks, prospects and fillers.

Unfortunately not . Presti seems to still be accumulating future pick this deadline. Don’t think he wants any player back and will select some players at the draft instead .

[Scoot McGroot]

Can Gafford be dealt?

Again, he cannot. Not until draft time.

[NYG]

I'm betting the night before into day of the deadline we see a lot more activity than we expect to see as of now. I'm sure the Ben Simmons thing is pushing deals to the last day.

For example, if the Kings want to make sure Simmons is not dealt pre-deadline before pulling off a Jerami Grant deal, but also are giving Detroit a better deal than any other offer then Detroit will wait to deal Grant before taking the second best offer. Now if the Wizards have the second best offer for Grant in that case and Grant is the only difference maker on the real life trade market that will get Beal to stay then that holds up either a Jerami Grant to the Wizards or outright dealing Bradley Beal kind of swing all hinging on the Kings getting Simmons and so on.

I'm sure all the deals are lined up and if it's confirmed deadline day that Simmons won't be dealt, then in this case we will see the Grant to the Kings, Beal to Team X, etc. chain reaction happen quick and fast because all the contingency deals are already agreed upon.