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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1601 » by DingleJerry » Thu Feb 3, 2022 11:07 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I know it's probably blasphemous to say, but tell me where the lie is when I say Luka has basically evolved into Euro Westbrook.


I don't know. I see what you're getting at but it probably goes a bit too far with the negatives attached to it. He's still been winning at a very young age without another legit star to play with. RW always had at least one other. RW just does not have the insane court vision on O like Luka. While Luka's 3% isn't drastically better than RW I think we would all confidently say he's a better shooter. He shoots a high amount of difficult contested off dribble and step back 3s. RW is basically dared to shoot wide open 3s. That said, I am curious how Luka would adapt if he did have a better team around him, would he embrace moving the ball etc or still control so much. So there's where I agree and see how he might be going down the RW path too much. I was definitely having a similar complaint/frustration you're getting at here with how they played 4th Qs last year in the playoffs though. It was basically him dribble for 20 seconds then shoot a tough contested jumper.

I could see an argument too that he plays on O more similarly to LBJ (minus as much brute force driving to the hoop) in terms of controlling the ball so everything has to go through him, his incredible vision/awareness like LBJ, but which leads to everyone else standing around too much and watching him. And possibly not getting as much out of guys as they might be able to offer. Of course, Luka is no comparison to prime LBJ on D though.

So I guess in summary, yea I see what you mean but I also think his BBall IQ is drastically higher than RW that he could do much more if he had a different team/coach around him. but there is a big question on "if" he would do it or if he'd be stubborn ala RW.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1602 » by stellation » Thu Feb 3, 2022 11:13 pm

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stellation wrote:Down 2, 7 seconds left and apparently this isn't the play the coach drew up- he just saw it unfolding and had the confidence, talent and trust in his teammate to make that pass. Safe to say if that didn't come off and they turn it over the coach wouldn't be too happy.

My main point being- if that's the sort of pass he goes for under that scenario imagine what kind of madness will go on in the Rising Stars challenge when they tell you to be a bit showy.
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Not to negate your post but I suspect 'Exploit Luka' is probably always written on a whiteboard somewhere...

Oh, absolutely- and I assume Giddey likely already has had his coach put an asterisk next to him for a few team "don't do this" rules (see cross court passing).
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1603 » by brettski » Thu Feb 3, 2022 11:30 pm

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stellation wrote:Down 2, 7 seconds left and apparently this isn't the play the coach drew up- he just saw it unfolding and had the confidence, talent and trust in his teammate to make that pass. Safe to say if that didn't come off and they turn it over the coach wouldn't be too happy.

My main point being- if that's the sort of pass he goes for under that scenario imagine what kind of madness will go on in the Rising Stars challenge when they tell you to be a bit showy.
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Not to negate your post but I suspect 'Exploit Luka' is probably always written on a whiteboard somewhere...


That was my first thought too.. always exploit the worst defender.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1604 » by raferfenix » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:19 am

Couldn’t the Sixers include picks instead of Thybulle if that’s really a sticking point?

How much could the Wizards really value a role player if they are over the hump ready to bail on Beal?

Alternatively the Sixers recently lost Butler after banking on him taking the extra money their bird rights allowed.

Or Morey is just love drunk for Harden.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1605 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:29 am

Harden an all-star lol
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1606 » by tonyreyes123 » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:48 am

Everyone hates on Wiggins but he’s lowkey on a HOF trajectory rn
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1607 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:48 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Harden an all-star lol

He's putting up 23/10/8 on 58% TS%.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1608 » by MikeIsGood » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:04 am

I really, really, really wanted to see LaMelo in the all-star game. Guess we gotta wait another year. That game is made for him, though, and 20/7/8 leading a surprise Charlotte team is a good resume. But, guess there's no clear player he should replace.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1609 » by MikeIsGood » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:10 am

tonyreyes123 wrote:Everyone hates on Wiggins but he’s lowkey on a HOF trajectory rn


I'm sorry, what? He's going to be 27 before his first all-star team, did nothing until joining Steph, and did nothing of note in his one year of college.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1610 » by emunney » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:52 am

Plossum wrote:I can understand Morey wanting to keep Maxey but don't get the Thybulle thing. I mean he's a great defender but a bit of a liability on offence. If you could get Beal for Simmons and Thybulle you've got to pull the trigger on that.


Thybulle's good, just shouldn't be what's standing between the 6ers and the return they need to both salvage Simmons and balance the floor for Embiid.

Maxey's good enough, young enough, and cheap enough to be the centerpiece of a Beal trade himself.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1611 » by Plossum » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:56 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Harden an all-star lol

People complain about the fan voting but the coaches aren't much better.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1612 » by thonnisbeastley » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:36 am

MikeIsGood wrote:
tonyreyes123 wrote:Everyone hates on Wiggins but he’s lowkey on a HOF trajectory rn


I'm sorry, what? He's going to be 27 before his first all-star team, did nothing until joining Steph, and did nothing of note in his one year of college.


He's 27 and will finish the year around 12,000 points if he stays healthy. If he plays until he's 35 putting up similar numbers he'll probably finish top 50 all-time in scoring. He'll be in Joe Johnson territory. If he wins a ring and stays healthy he could have a decent chance of getting in. Not necessarily his fault he's played for terrible teams his entire career until this season but, yeah not the greatest resume yet.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1613 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:40 am

thonnisbeastley wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:
tonyreyes123 wrote:Everyone hates on Wiggins but he’s lowkey on a HOF trajectory rn


I'm sorry, what? He's going to be 27 before his first all-star team, did nothing until joining Steph, and did nothing of note in his one year of college.


He's 27 and will finish the year around 12,000 points if he stays healthy. If he plays until he's 35 putting up similar numbers he'll probably finish top 50 all-time in scoring. He'll be in Joe Johnson territory. If he wins a ring and stays healthy he could have a decent chance of getting in. Not necessarily his fault he's played for terrible teams his entire career until this season but, yeah not the greatest resume yet.

Joe Johnson had a better peak. DeRozan was better as well. Both those guys are borderline. I get what you are saying but he will basically have to double the length of his current career with limited dropoff to even been considered. I think you could do that with a lot of players.

Wonder what his role going forward will be. When Klay is fully back and Steph getting his, Wiggins might drop to 15ppg type player.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1614 » by PG Graveyard » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:46 am

The bulls keep getting all these fluke wins
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1615 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:49 am

PG Graveyard wrote:The bulls keep getting all these fluke wins

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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1616 » by Pachinko_ » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:50 am

Toronto moves ball and bodies, that's the best way to hide any gap in talent.
And to be fair, other than the weak bench the Raps don't have too much gap in talent... lots of athletic, switchable players on that roster. Definitely NOT the team I want in the 1st round, but it would be fun to watch them make fat Harden's life miserable.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1617 » by thonnisbeastley » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:53 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
thonnisbeastley wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:
I'm sorry, what? He's going to be 27 before his first all-star team, did nothing until joining Steph, and did nothing of note in his one year of college.


He's 27 and will finish the year around 12,000 points if he stays healthy. If he plays until he's 35 putting up similar numbers he'll probably finish top 50 all-time in scoring. He'll be in Joe Johnson territory. If he wins a ring and stays healthy he could have a decent chance of getting in. Not necessarily his fault he's played for terrible teams his entire career until this season but, yeah not the greatest resume yet.

Joe Johnson had a better peak. DeRozan was better as well. Both those guys are borderline. I get what you are saying but he will basically have to double the length of his current career with limited dropoff to even been considered. I think you could do that with a lot of players.

Wonder what his role going forward will be. When Klay is fully back and Steph getting his, Wiggins might drop to 15ppg type player.

Yeah I agree with all of that.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1618 » by PG Graveyard » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:59 am

Nurse does so many outside the box things. Super annoying whiny douchebag but a great coach
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1619 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri Feb 4, 2022 3:03 am

1 game back. (though bulls have an easy one tomorrow to make up the half game)

I'm not going to bitch about about not having 3 all stars, if the bucks win just 3-4 more games and firmly sitting in the one seed you can make that argument.
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Re: ATL - Halfway Point 

Post#1620 » by MikeIsGood » Fri Feb 4, 2022 3:04 am

thonnisbeastley wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:
tonyreyes123 wrote:Everyone hates on Wiggins but he’s lowkey on a HOF trajectory rn


I'm sorry, what? He's going to be 27 before his first all-star team, did nothing until joining Steph, and did nothing of note in his one year of college.


He's 27 and will finish the year around 12,000 points if he stays healthy. If he plays until he's 35 putting up similar numbers he'll probably finish top 50 all-time in scoring. He'll be in Joe Johnson territory. If he wins a ring and stays healthy he could have a decent chance of getting in. Not necessarily his fault he's played for terrible teams his entire career until this season but, yeah not the greatest resume yet.


He will not be in Joe Johnson territory outside of total points, and that's assuming his play continues to this level. Joe Johnson is already a borderline case, and he's a 7x all-star, most of which as the best player on his team.

Wiggins' case is extremely weak right now. Truly. It's all about future projections based on one half-season with a dynasty team missing their actual HOF guard.

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