The Official Franz Wagner Thread

[RichCollab]

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Franz
4. Barnes
5. Giddy

I would take Cade or Mobley for Franz.

Franz is my favorite player. I feel like Franz could over take Mobley. I still feel Cade has the chance to be borderline superstar.

[tooler]

The reason Franz is 5th on the ladder predicting Rookie of the Year is because this is literally how the NBA Rookie of the Year works:

PPG + RPG + APG

Do the math and the list lines up exactly. If he wanted to win, he should've fought Cole for some rebounds and kept the ball in his hands more often.

It's best to keep quiet about Franz. The real ones know.

[j-ragg]

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Franz
4. Barnes
5. Giddy

This is how I’d rank em too personally but I think 1 & 2 would be swapped for now.

Scottie Barnes stock got fat off of that first 10-15 games. Since then he’s been worse than Franz imo.

[RichCollab]

What’s great about Franz is he is programmed to always make the right play. It’s hard for him to make a bad play.

His impact and numbers will increase as the talent around him improves.

[tooler]

Yeah, sometimes I wish he'd take some of the 30 FGA per game that Cole and Suggs are tossing up, but then I remember that'd be like asking him to breathe water.

Plus it's a development year. Everyone deserves a chance to put together a good month. We didn't sideline Franz the first month when Cole was lighting it up, so it's only fair.

[MagicStarwipe]

Not that it matters, but how is Franz only 5th on the NBA Rookie Ladder?

Because whoever does it isn't a fan of the Orlando Magic? I get that Wagner is the greatest thing since sliced bread on this forum, but you have to understand that every other franchise gets giddy about their rookies as well. Nobody in Detroit is giving up Cunningham for Wagner. Nobody in Toronto is giving up Barnes for Wagner. Nobody in Cleveland is giving up Mobley for Wagner.

Every team's fan base is full of irrational zealots that can't appreciate the distinction between perception and reality. That's the nature of fandom.

I mean, I'm not asking for him to be number one, but they did have him at number one briefly before his quiet patch coinciding with Cole's return. Since the last ladder he's averaging 20ppg and they still have him below Giddy. Maybe I'm a biased homer, but he should be top 3 based on what he's doing.

[basketballRob]

Franz averaging 16.7 PPG in his last 10 games. 53/38/92


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[basketballRob]

Franz could be a player who comes close to 50/40/90 in a few seasons.


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[pepe1991]

Franz could be a player who comes close to 50/40/90 in a few seasons.


https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/franz-wagner-stats-last-10-games

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ONly 10 nba players achived that. It's funny but hardest thing among 50-40-90 thing seems to be 90% FTs.
Bojan Bogdanovic failed FTs few years back, Bogdan Bogdanovic failed FG% by 2,7%, Middelton was 0,3% FG below 50-40-90

But as long as you are some +45 % FG, +36% 3 point shooter and swim around +80% FTs you are elite offensive player. Reaching 50-40-90 club is just cream on a cake, and probably requires being stingy shooter last couple of weeks of regular season to not mess it up

[drsd]

Franz could be a player who comes close to 50/40/90 in a few seasons.


https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/franz-wagner-stats-last-10-games

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ONly 10 nba players achived that. It's funny but hardest thing among 50-40-90 thing seems to be 90% FTs.
Bojan Bogdanovic failed FTs few years back, Bogdan Bogdanovic failed FG% by 2,7%, Middelton was 0,3% FG below 50-40-90

But as long as you are some +45 % FG, +36% 3 point shooter and swim around +80% FTs you are elite offensive player. Reaching 50-40-90 club is just cream on a cake, and probably requires being stingy shooter last couple of weeks of regular season to not mess it up

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50–40–90_club[/url]

One would expect this list to be dominated by guards, but there is a good mix of forwards as well: Bird, Nowitzki, and Durant.

One thing about that list, all of those players are probable Hall of Famers, even Mark Price.

[Skybox]

Franz could be a player who comes close to 50/40/90 in a few seasons.


https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/franz-wagner-stats-last-10-games

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ONly 10 nba players achived that. It's funny but hardest thing among 50-40-90 thing seems to be 90% FTs.
Bojan Bogdanovic failed FTs few years back, Bogdan Bogdanovic failed FG% by 2,7%, Middelton was 0,3% FG below 50-40-90

But as long as you are some +45 % FG, +36% 3 point shooter and swim around +80% FTs you are elite offensive player. Reaching 50-40-90 club is just cream on a cake, and probably requires being stingy shooter last couple of weeks of regular season to not mess it up

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50–40–90_club[/url]

One would expect this list to be dominated by guards, but there is a good mix of forwards as well: Bird, Nowitzki, and Durant.

One thing about that list, all of those players are probable Hall of Famers, even Mark Price.

everybody's whipping boy, Tobias Harris almost did it last year (at pretty high volume). Not to take anything away from him, but I think environment is important. Simmons and Luka create the most wide open shots in the league, by a large margin, and Tobias has struggled this year (without Simmons)...credit also for having to quadruple team Embiid.

[basketballRob]

Franz. 50/45/92
16.4 PPG in his last 10 games.


https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/franz-wagner-stats-last-10-games

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[pepe1991]

ONly 10 nba players achived that. It's funny but hardest thing among 50-40-90 thing seems to be 90% FTs.
Bojan Bogdanovic failed FTs few years back, Bogdan Bogdanovic failed FG% by 2,7%, Middelton was 0,3% FG below 50-40-90

But as long as you are some +45 % FG, +36% 3 point shooter and swim around +80% FTs you are elite offensive player. Reaching 50-40-90 club is just cream on a cake, and probably requires being stingy shooter last couple of weeks of regular season to not mess it up

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50–40–90_club[/url]

One would expect this list to be dominated by guards, but there is a good mix of forwards as well: Bird, Nowitzki, and Durant.

One thing about that list, all of those players are probable Hall of Famers, even Mark Price.

everybody's whipping boy, Tobias Harris almost did it last year (at pretty high volume). Not to take anything away from him, but I think environment is important. Simmons and Luka create the most wide open shots in the league, by a large margin, and Tobias has struggled this year (without Simmons)...credit also for having to quadruple team Embiid.

Harris was by far most undervalued good player on Orlando in last 10 years.
People hated him because they were fixated on idea that Gordon is next star and Harris is "stealing shots" from him.

[pepe1991]

Franz. 50/45/92
16.4 PPG in his last 10 games.


https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/franz-wagner-stats-last-10-games

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imo Franz should be clear 2# at the end of a year in battle for ROY.
Mobley will probably win ( he deserves it) but i would pick Franz over Barnes. Barnes plays on stacked team and is basically playing, like Kuminga, small ball center. They have games where they can score 5 FGA within 2 feet by just dunking or scoring layups due gravity players around them provide ( Vleet, Klay, Curry, OG whoever... ). Hell vs Lakers, Kuminga had like 4 dunks and additional 3 layups where nobody was near him. That's 14 points that are basically can't- miss shots. Franz has to work very hard for every point because nobody gets much attention.

[AaronB]

Franz. 50/45/92
16.4 PPG in his last 10 games.


https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/franz-wagner-stats-last-10-games

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imo Franz should be clear 2# at the end of a year in battle for ROY.
Mobley will probably win ( he deserves it) but i would pick Franz over Barnes. Barnes plays on stacked team and is basically playing, like Kuminga, small ball center. They have games where they can score 5 FGA within 2 feet by just dunking or scoring layups due gravity players around them provide ( Vleet, Klay, Curry, OG whoever... ). Hell vs Lakers, Kuminga had like 4 dunks and additional 3 layups where nobody was near him. That's 14 points that are basically can't- miss shots. Franz has to work very hard for every point because nobody gets much attention.

Agree and well said. The only thing I would add is that in a redraft, I am not sure that I wouldn't draft Wagner #1. Not because I think he is better than Mobley or Barnes, but Wagner has the ability to excel at so many things it is scary.

It is a mystery to me that his rebounding numbers are not better. I have seen all of the arguments about guards taking his rebounds and he is playing far from the rim etc, but all are unsatisfying to me. He is clearly not soft. I expect his rebounding to improve.

At 6-10 or 6-11, there is no reason not to see a big improvement in this area. Good chance his final resting place in the NBA is as a versatile front-court Simmons type player (better shooting, less defense) more than a true wing if he keeps growing.

[SOUL]

Giddey is coming on strong lately.

[pepe1991]

Giddey is coming on strong lately.

I just find his stats empty, not really sure how to desrcibe it better.
Sure he can pass, but he isn't worth putting ball in his hands and letting him run offense. OKC does it for tanking purpose, like they do with Dort ( for second year in a row ).
He just feels like homless Ben Simmons to me. Without defense, without versitality, without pop in first step.

OKC lost 21 out of last 26 games.Lot of those games were lobsided beatdowns. Regardless of the outcomes, Giddey is there gunning for inflated stats for 33 min a game. I'm not even sure what his comparison is ? MCW in body of Joe Ingles?

Again, it's fine because OKC is looking how to lose every game. But once that thing is over, what execlly will Josh Giddey play on winning team? He won't be ballhandling main man on any nba team with winning aspirations. He is too weak to play PF, he lacks burst & speed and can't shoot for SF.

But non of this matters for ROY and as long as Sam Presti is only fixated on collecting all picks from all teams so he can maybe one day again draft next Durant. in mean time Pokuševski, Dort, Muscala some guy named Deck will be on his team, on minimum salaries attemping to play basketball.

[zaymon]

In denver post game interview Wendell said that he motivated Franz to play with more assertiveness becouse he is one of the best players on the team if not the best and he has respect of a lot of great players around the league already.
I am so thrilled to observe the chemistry of this team going forward. Carter, Wagner and Suggs should set the tone for years. The hierarchy is starting to show up. Right now it doesnt mean much becouse we suck but if those guys improve in the offseason we could be very dangerous next year.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

I really hope Franz take to heart what Wendell said about him during the Nuggets post-conference interview. Franz is one of the best players on this team and he’s only a rookie.

[OrlandoNed]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50–40–90_club[/url]

One would expect this list to be dominated by guards, but there is a good mix of forwards as well: Bird, Nowitzki, and Durant.

One thing about that list, all of those players are probable Hall of Famers, even Mark Price.

everybody's whipping boy, Tobias Harris almost did it last year (at pretty high volume). Not to take anything away from him, but I think environment is important. Simmons and Luka create the most wide open shots in the league, by a large margin, and Tobias has struggled this year (without Simmons)...credit also for having to quadruple team Embiid.

Harris was by far most undervalued good player on Orlando in last 10 years.
People hated him because they were fixated on idea that Gordon is next star and Harris is "stealing shots" from him.

Hennigan giving up Harris for the corpses of Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova and not even getting a 1st was absolutely criminal, and it wasn’t even the worst move he ever made. We had so many mouths to feed on offense back in those days and he always picked the wrong ones to keep.