Nets at Kings 2/2/2022 @ 10:00 pm EST

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't know.

I still blame Harden more than Kyrie. Even though I blame them both.

Kyrie on the court has still been very good for the most part.

Harden has just been trash. For no reason.

Eventually Kyrie will be able to play full time. What about Harden? Will he ever be good again?

Harden literally got named to the all star game a few mins ago.

He has struggled this season but acting like he's the problem here isn't right either. Especially when you consider the terrible spacing issues that clearly is hindering his game.

That being said, he has clearly checked out regardless of what lies Prok is telling himself. He's gone.

On reputation. He doesn't even deserve it.

Worst efficiency since his rookie season.

He is the problem. Hes supposed to be an MVP level palyer. We gave up the farm to get him.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Joe Harris might be back for the playoffs at best.

Looking like he needs surgery which could put him out another 6 weeks.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The mandates are ending in Europe. You HAVE to assume they end here eventually.

Just a question of when.

Does it happen during the summer or in the next few months?

We need Kyrie. I have no trust in Harden anymore. Hes a shell of himself.

Flip him for Simmons while you still can.

[Jay555]

Joe Harris might be back for the playoffs at best.

Looking like he needs surgery which could put him out another 6 weeks.

He would not be playable then. He would be 60-70% at best.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Harden putting up pretty stat lines doesn’t mean the impact is there. He’s been a negative value player as far as impact is concerned in way too many games this season. Him being named to the All Star team is honestly a **** ing joke. He hasn’t been a top 30 player this season.

Harden has Westbrook level efficiency. Horrible defense. Horrible decision making.

And is STILL completely out of shape for an NBA player.

Its hard to understate how bad he has really been this year. KD was dragging us to wins all year while this bum was shooting us out of games.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Joe Harris might be back for the playoffs at best.

Looking like he needs surgery which could put him out another 6 weeks.

He would not be playable then. He would be 60-70% at best.

You don't know that. He could have surgery next week.

Be out for 6 weeks. Then have a few weeks to get back into shape before the playoffs.

Even at 70% I would take Harris though.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Especially the talk of Ben Simmons and Harden trade, Ben would not be playable in the playoffs at crunch times. It would be so easy to game plan us if Ben was on this team. Hack a Simmons was basically how Hawks won that series being down 2-3. Not only does he not have a jumper but he shoots lower than 50% in free throws. Of course, we can flip Simmons for someone lese but there is a reason no contender wants to trade for him other than the likes of Kings etc.

Simmons is not really a 50% FT shooter. He had a mental breakdown last year.

I think he can get his head right.

All we need Simmons to do is guard the best opposing player, play make and roll to the rim. He would be a great fit next to Kyrie and KD.

[Jay555]

Joe Harris might be back for the playoffs at best.

Looking like he needs surgery which could put him out another 6 weeks.

He would not be playable then. He would be 60-70% at best.

You don't know that. He could have surgery next week.

Be out for 6 weeks. Then have a few weeks to get back into shape before the playoffs.

Even at 70% I would take Harris though.

You do not know either. Another surgery could mean he's out for the season. Where did you get the 6 weeks from?

My guess is his agent is trying to prevent him from getting traded. He should be fine after trade deadline.

[Jay555]

Especially the talk of Ben Simmons and Harden trade, Ben would not be playable in the playoffs at crunch times. It would be so easy to game plan us if Ben was on this team. Hack a Simmons was basically how Hawks won that series being down 2-3. Not only does he not have a jumper but he shoots lower than 50% in free throws. Of course, we can flip Simmons for someone lese but there is a reason no contender wants to trade for him other than the likes of Kings etc.

Simmons is not really a 50% FT shooter. He had a mental breakdown last year.

I think he can get his head right.

All we need Simmons to do is guard the best opposing player, play make and roll to the rim. He would be a great fit next to Kyrie and KD.

I am ok with trading Harden but not for Simmons.

Dude can't shoot and mental issues are ongoing. He did not just have mental breakdown last year. He refused to shoot anything. When pressure is on, when you keep missing free throws, your tendency to have another mental breakdown is much greater than others. Check reports of him seeing psychologist etc. This litreally renders this guy unplayable even tho he can play make and defend. (Sounds like a better James Johnson? lol) He be glued to the bench when it matters.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't know.

I still blame Harden more than Kyrie. Even though I blame them both.

Kyrie on the court has still been very good for the most part.

Harden has just been trash. For no reason.

Eventually Kyrie will be able to play full time. What about Harden? Will he ever be good again?

Harden literally got named to the all star game a few mins ago.

He has struggled this season but acting like he's the problem here isn't right either. Especially when you consider the terrible spacing issues that clearly is hindering his game.

That being said, he has clearly checked out regardless of what lies Prok is telling himself. He's gone.

On reputation. He doesn't even deserve it.

Worst efficiency since his rookie season.

He is the problem. Hes supposed to be an MVP level palyer. We gave up the farm to get him.

he is apart of the problem.

but I also didn't think he signed up for the sh*t show that started once Kyrie decided that he wanted to be an idiot. Even now in press conferences, Kyrie is talking about crap about egos and putting it to the side for the better of the team when he's the #1 most selfish player on the roster. I would bet money to anyone here that this entire thing with Harden is centered around Kyrie and Nash.

all of this stems from Kyrie. Harden keeps alluding to internal issues. We know what this is about.

That being said, Harden wants out. we need to grant him his wish, and move on with what we can obtain for him. I'm not in love with the BIG 3 idea as many people in the Nets fandom are.

[MrDollarBills]

The mandates are ending in Europe. You HAVE to assume they end here eventually.

Just a question of when.

Does it happen during the summer or in the next few months?

We need Kyrie. I have no trust in Harden anymore. Hes a shell of himself.

Flip him for Simmons while you still can.

I will be honest, who has the better vaccinations rates? Europe or the USA?

(I just checked. USA is at 64% fully vaxxed. Western Euro countries are way higher. once you get into Eastern Europe where Russia's sphere of influence grows, its a lot lower, and not surprising since the Russians have been using social media to spread antivax crap. Putin is a c*nt).

Luckily, NY's vaccination rate is pat 74%. so we might get lucky. but as a whole? I dunno.

I agree with flipping Harden because signing him to an extension would be insane after what we've seen.

but if Joe Tsai thinks paying Kyrie 40+ million a year after this, he's out of his mind. KD needs some new friends.

[MrDollarBills]

He would not be playable then. He would be 60-70% at best.

You don't know that. He could have surgery next week.

Be out for 6 weeks. Then have a few weeks to get back into shape before the playoffs.

Even at 70% I would take Harris though.

You do not know either. Another surgery could mean he's out for the season. Where did you get the 6 weeks from?

My guess is his agent is trying to prevent him from getting traded. He should be fine after trade deadline.

Looks like the Nets team doctors may have botched Harris' diagnosis.

When an athlete strays from team doctors to get a 2nd opinion, that is a BAD sign meaning that he doesn't trust the organization anymore in regards to his health.

Harris will probably welcome a trade.

[Jay555]

Harden literally got named to the all star game a few mins ago.

He has struggled this season but acting like he's the problem here isn't right either. Especially when you consider the terrible spacing issues that clearly is hindering his game.

That being said, he has clearly checked out regardless of what lies Prok is telling himself. He's gone.

On reputation. He doesn't even deserve it.

Worst efficiency since his rookie season.

He is the problem. Hes supposed to be an MVP level palyer. We gave up the farm to get him.

he is apart of the problem.

but I also didn't think he signed up for the sh*t show that started once Kyrie decided that he wanted to be an idiot. Even now in press conferences, Kyrie is talking about crap about egos and putting it to the side for the better of the team when he's the #1 most selfish player on the roster. I would bet money to anyone here that this entire thing with Harden is centered around Kyrie and Nash.

all of this stems from Kyrie. Harden keeps alluding to internal issues. We know what this is about.

That being said, Harden wants out. we need to grant him his wish, and move on with what we can obtain for him. I'm not in love with the BIG 3 idea as many people in the Nets fandom are.

It's not over yet. But our big 3 experiment should serve as a bad example for teams wanting to assemble another one down the road.

The best model to win a chip should be two superstars both worth around 40 mil + 3 quality starters who are worth 10-15 mil + role players + quality rookies on a value contract.

Having said that, it would be very difficult to assemble the above team and even if you assemble it, it would be difficult to win as it comes down to luck/health in the end. This is why only one out of 30 teams wins it.

Forming a Big 3 does provide the quickest route to a chip but margin of error is also so small because with the big 3 taking up 120 mil cap space, you would not be able to surround them with quality pieces.

[Suwanee]

Heard Harden was half assing last game because he’s mad at Nash. He has some injuries recently, first hammy tightness, then hand. But Nash insisted on him playing because he’s supposedly on a hot seat. Not sure how true it is. Kinda makes sense.

[HardenGoat]

Harden literally got named to the all star game a few mins ago.

He has struggled this season but acting like he's the problem here isn't right either. Especially when you consider the terrible spacing issues that clearly is hindering his game.

That being said, he has clearly checked out regardless of what lies Prok is telling himself. He's gone.

On reputation. He doesn't even deserve it.

Worst efficiency since his rookie season.

He is the problem. Hes supposed to be an MVP level palyer. We gave up the farm to get him.

he is apart of the problem.

but I also didn't think he signed up for the sh*t show that started once Kyrie decided that he wanted to be an idiot. Even now in press conferences, Kyrie is talking about crap about egos and putting it to the side for the better of the team when he's the #1 most selfish player on the roster. I would bet money to anyone here that this entire thing with Harden is centered around Kyrie and Nash.

all of this stems from Kyrie. Harden keeps alluding to internal issues. We know what this is about.

That being said, Harden wants out. we need to grant him his wish, and move on with what we can obtain for him. I'm not in love with the BIG 3 idea as many people in the Nets fandom are.

Bingo! None of the vets signed up for this. How Durant expected chemistry to build while Kyrie tweets from home how happy he is and how basketball is just a side gig is beyond me. Team sacrifice is everything and to refuse a flu shot sends a terrible message when it means you can’t be a full participant on your team. Prok says he’s putting his health and family first. How is refusing to protect yourself, your family, and your teammates from Covid putting others first? A decision at the start of the season that prevents you from playing home games on top of it. The other part is Nash. He’s obviously not listening to what is being asked for in rotations. We all see it, it’s been the number one complaint every game. He doesn’t have an offensive system that generates any flow like we had last year. He is not an X and O coach either. There’s no set plays other than feed the iso. It was only working somewhat because we had Durant, the best scorer in the game, perhaps ever. Harden is frustrated and it’s just boiling over to the point he is making waves now. Otherwise nothing would get done. I think this is going to involve Nash when it’s all said and done.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Harden literally got named to the all star game a few mins ago.

He has struggled this season but acting like he's the problem here isn't right either. Especially when you consider the terrible spacing issues that clearly is hindering his game.

That being said, he has clearly checked out regardless of what lies Prok is telling himself. He's gone.

On reputation. He doesn't even deserve it.

Worst efficiency since his rookie season.

He is the problem. Hes supposed to be an MVP level palyer. We gave up the farm to get him.

he is apart of the problem.

but I also didn't think he signed up for the sh*t show that started once Kyrie decided that he wanted to be an idiot. Even now in press conferences, Kyrie is talking about crap about egos and putting it to the side for the better of the team when he's the #1 most selfish player on the roster. I would bet money to anyone here that this entire thing with Harden is centered around Kyrie and Nash.

all of this stems from Kyrie. Harden keeps alluding to internal issues. We know what this is about.

That being said, Harden wants out. we need to grant him his wish, and move on with what we can obtain for him. I'm not in love with the BIG 3 idea as many people in the Nets fandom are.

Sign up for what?

To play with Kevin Durant? The best player in the world?

We all knew Kyrie was kind of kooky from the start.

The worst thing Harden has to do is play a few months as the guy and keep us at a .500 record? Hes done the same thing before.

He has KD coming back to take the pressure off him soon.

If he wasn't playing like a bum we would never be in this mess.

[Jay555]

On reputation. He doesn't even deserve it.

Worst efficiency since his rookie season.

He is the problem. Hes supposed to be an MVP level palyer. We gave up the farm to get him.

he is apart of the problem.

but I also didn't think he signed up for the sh*t show that started once Kyrie decided that he wanted to be an idiot. Even now in press conferences, Kyrie is talking about crap about egos and putting it to the side for the better of the team when he's the #1 most selfish player on the roster. I would bet money to anyone here that this entire thing with Harden is centered around Kyrie and Nash.

all of this stems from Kyrie. Harden keeps alluding to internal issues. We know what this is about.

That being said, Harden wants out. we need to grant him his wish, and move on with what we can obtain for him. I'm not in love with the BIG 3 idea as many people in the Nets fandom are.

Sign up for what?

To play with Kevin Durant? The best player in the world?

He be regretting now. He thinks it would be a walk in a park.

We all knew Kyrie was kind of kooky from the start.

I doubt KD and Harden knew that well. Playing with friends is like doing business with friends, rarely works.

The worst thing Harden has to do is play a few months as the guy and keep us at a .500 record? Hes done the same thing before.
Before Kyrie played his first game of the season, we were 21-7.

We were 8-15 since Kyrie came back. That's hard facts.

He has KD coming back to take the pressure off him soon.
He's checked out, probably need someone to pull him aside and hold him accountable. Nash aint the guy. KD too soft for that. Kyrie would be the guy but dude is all about living in his own world.

If he wasn't playing like a bum we would never be in this mess.
It's convenient to put all the blame on one guy when we all know it's a combination of things that lead to the mess we are in.

[MrDollarBills]

Heard Harden was half assing last game because he’s mad at Nash. He has some injuries recently, first hammy tightness, then hand. But Nash insisted on him playing because he’s supposedly on a hot seat. Not sure how true it is. Kinda makes sense.

If Harden is trying to get Nash fired i am in 100% support.

[Jay555]

Heard Harden was half assing last game because he’s mad at Nash. He has some injuries recently, first hammy tightness, then hand. But Nash insisted on him playing because he’s supposedly on a hot seat. Not sure how true it is. Kinda makes sense.

If Harden is trying to get Nash fired i am in 100% support.

A few more losses should see Nash gone. Dude is a good guy but is just not competent at this job.

[MrDollarBills]

Heard Harden was half assing last game because he’s mad at Nash. He has some injuries recently, first hammy tightness, then hand. But Nash insisted on him playing because he’s supposedly on a hot seat. Not sure how true it is. Kinda makes sense.

If Harden is trying to get Nash fired i am in 100% support.

A few more losses should see Nash gone. Dude is a good guy but is just not competent at this job.

It's not personal. Nash seems like a good guy. But he is in over his head.