Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[Wiltside]

Makes sense, thanks fellas. I did see a few articles about the Heat's interest in DFS so thought I'd take a stab at it and see what kind of potential package is out there for fun.

Your team find so many diamonds in the ruff players that turn out to be valuable players. Gotta give it your FO, they're darn good at their jobs.

I have no doubt we'd be interested in DFS - he's a Heat style player. Unheralded, can defend multiple positions, can play the small ball PF...I think the bigger issue is we don't have a player of commensurate value that would interest you.

I'm sure we'd love to send you KZ Okpala and Markieff Morris, but that's not going to get it done on your end.

[dshearn]

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Any trade of Yurt is no Bueno for this amigo.

i Keep getting the feeling Miami is hiding Yurt, i suppose they will either roll him out in the playoffs, or i am just flat wrong and Spo is dead set with the ultra small line up.

But i am right there with you, I love Wood, but would blink at moving yurt.

I am however totally fine with Duncan and 2 1st. Or even KZ, Duncan and 2 first.

[dshearn]

This team won't have anything left in the tank by the time the playoffs roll around.

Games that we should be winning by a comfortable margin turn into dog fights and losses.

“When you think about it, we go to the wire with the Clippers [in Friday’s home victory]. We go triple-overtime [in Saturday’s home loss to the Raptors]. And then we all play to fight back in Boston [a Monday road loss].

“I think a lot of us were kind of gassed.”

Raptors in 8th place, Celtics in 9th place.

If playoffs started today and those teams won their play-in, both teams would be a bad matchup.

Even if we win, they're capable of dragging the series and will wear us down.

It is a legit concern, You could almost excuse the 4 games in 5 days or whatever that run was except this team looks bad on back to backs. With as much depth as this team has....lets hope that is not an issue as the season comes to a close.

[somerandomdude]

When Tyler Herro says, "It's all good," I'd be scared if I were opposing coaches.

Fully expecting him to hit the gym, work harder, and come out aggressive from here on out.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[RexBoyWonder]

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we can't even match Beal's salary without including Tyler + Duncan + Tucker.

You can bet the house We're not trading away Tucker this week. It's Not how we roll.

Duncan is the only one that should be worried until trade deadline Imo.

[puppa bear]

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we can't even match Beal's salary without including Tyler + Duncan + Tucker.

You can bet the house We're not trading away Tucker this week. It's Not how we roll.

Duncan is the only one that should be worried until trade deadline Imo.

This. Beal isn’t coming here, if only because we can’t trade for him.

Our best package (Herro/Yurt/Duncan/Kieff/picks) falls well short of the salary needed. And as Rex says, PJ isn’t being sent out for Beal.

Our list is more like the often bandied about list of Barnes, Turner, etc. though I hope there’s no smoke to a Morris brother reunion.

[heater4life]

I rather take my chances with maxing Tyler starting at 30M and having to sign Oladipo around 10M if he proves he can contribute. To acquire Beal you would have to offload Herro, Dunc, Tucker, and Vincent just to match and extend him at 42M+.

He’s a great player but the Heat would be super hard pressed in luxury tax and would have zero depth.

I can see Miami making a minor deal to help balance its roster. DFS, PJ Washington, etc

[marson]

I'm not seeing Beal as a winning player.

I mean you got Jimmy in bad teams in the past, but he clearly shows that he cares and lifted the team.

Clearly talented but not might be the whale that we're looking for. I feel like culture-wise he wouldn't fit here.

[RexBoyWonder]

I'm not seeing Beal as a winning player.

I mean you got Jimmy in bad teams in the past, but he clearly shows that he cares and lifted the team.

Clearly talented but not might be the whale that we're looking for. I feel like culture-wise he wouldn't fit here.

I dont like Beal personally, but i do think he's got the exact skillset we need next to Bam and Jimmy.

A high volume scorer that can score on all 3 levels, has the first option mentality, can really put a lot of attempts up and usually score efficiently. a player that can create his own instant shot\offense.

Hopefully if Tyler continues to grow and improve he can become that guy.

[greg4012]

Guys are starting to complain about being gassed now. People that understand fitness know what's up.

You burn the throttle, you gotta expect to burn the gas.

The solution is to use your bench and use your darn size.

Wade won with Shaq and Zo.
Kobe won with Bynum abd Gasol.
Warriors even had Bogut for a time.

Wake up Spo Dantoni.

Dantoni never won anything.

Jordan and LeBron X are anomalies. They were the goats.

(Even though Longley, Cartwright. Burdman, Bosh)

Even with Lebron we were throwing out Bosh and Joel which is bigger than anything we are throwing out there now. Lebron was also playing the 3 and last time I checked hes as big as Bam. Even wade who was shot blocking 7 footers would be better suited than Martin playing the 4 right now.

We did roll out Anthony and Bosh.

But then we pivoted and signed Battier, went small with Battier/Lebby at the 3/4 and won b2b chips.

Old habits die hard. Much like small ball has dominated the better part of this past decade, we have to be able to also upsize and take advantage of our own strengths.

Teams are getting Bam on the switch at point of attack and banking on the fact their guy will either score, or their true big will crash the O boards and out size our mini 3-4's who seem to always be trying to fend off bigger guys in the paint.

When a team is banking on scoring by getting Bam on a switch onto the ball, that's usually a losing proposition for the team. Now the second order effects (finding a big man crashing down low with one of our guards on him or positioned for an offensive board) are definitely a frustrating possibility.

It's why I really believe we need to be more multiple in the defensive looks we deploy with Bam. The switch everything scheme can be lethal, but I maintain it's even more lethal when teams can't wholeheartedly expect it every time Bam is on the floor. Sometimes we should get Bam in drop/paint coverage. Sometimes we should throw zone looks (we do). It will only make the switching scheme all the more potent because teams can't bank on hunting for the mismatch on every possession.

[HeatingUp3]

Beal had his chances to ask a trade to the Heat. He clearly preferred the money and stay as a loser in Washington. I'd rather have Christian Wood then Beal at the moment.

[greg4012]

Fun fact: Miami leads the NBA in technical fouls per game. Miami also leads the league in opponent technical fouls per game.

Not surprising.

[MettaWorldPanda]

As much as I prefer Christian Wood I think Marcus Morris Sr will be the player we settle on because of the price. Houston will have very high demands.

[AirP.]

As much as I prefer Christian Wood I think Marcus Morris Sr will be the player we settle on because of the price. Houston will have very high demands.

On The Hoops Collective podcast today Brian Windhorst said he's hearing some information from Clipper land that makes him not understand what they're doing. To me that's either they're looking to upgrade to make a run and know George and Kawhi will be back or those guys are done for the year and LA is selling/reloading meaning unloading someone like Morris.

On a package centered around Robison and Morris, Miami can acquire the good Morris brother who they went after last year to replace Crowder, a guy who can play PF or C and what Miami is looking for, toughness and attitude. For LA it gives them a very good 3pt shooter who will probably be their 4th option to help create more space for their 2 scoring wings to work in. Unlike in Miami, LA won't rely on Robinson's shooting as much as Miami does with Butler, Bam and even Lowry looking first to facilitate.

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Any trade of Yurt is no Bueno for this amigo.

i Keep getting the feeling Miami is hiding Yurt, i suppose they will either roll him out in the playoffs, or i am just flat wrong and Spo is dead set with the ultra small line up.

But i am right there with you, I love Wood, but would blink at moving yurt.

I am however totally fine with Duncan and 2 1st. Or even KZ, Duncan and 2 first.

I think you are right that spo and the heat are hiding yurt, he is weapon, spo isn't this stupid...but spo is dissing yurt to an extreme so the other case is about to happen... not enough chemistry being built, loss of confidence, etc

they are about to suffer the wrong edge of the double edged sword... then again if we play him a lot yurt will want to get paid a lot also ... can we afford that at this moment?

[IceColdCubano]

Any trade of Yurt is no Bueno for this amigo.

i Keep getting the feeling Miami is hiding Yurt, i suppose they will either roll him out in the playoffs, or i am just flat wrong and Spo is dead set with the ultra small line up.

But i am right there with you, I love Wood, but would blink at moving yurt.

I am however totally fine with Duncan and 2 1st. Or even KZ, Duncan and 2 first.

I think you are right that spo and the heat are hiding yurt, he is weapon, spo isn't this stupid...but spo is dissing yurt to an extreme so the other case is about to happen... not enough chemistry being built, loss of confidence, etc

they are about to suffer the wrong edge of the double edged sword... then again if we play him a lot yurt will want to get paid a lot also ... can we afford that at this moment?

They aren't hiding Yurt, stop with these theories from the X files. Miami operates like most corporations, there are promised minutes to signed veterans who are ahead in the totem pole. Yurt is earning his playing time like anyone before him did, next year we may not commit to same veterans and sign Yurt to a better contract thus increasing his minutes as a back up. Miami does not read into the stats and commits to what they put out until after a full season. They won't be making any mid season adjustments because Miami wins rebound battles when he plays, or we have a higher winning %, or if Yurts +- is ahead of the other guys in certain lineups. How have you guys not learned that continuity is Spos biggest calling card since coaching a Heat team, have you guys not learned anything. You may see Yurt get some burn when one of Deadmon or one of our small ball 4's are out. He may get some burn in the playoffs, in foul trouble situations from BAM, but our lineups will be tighter and more restrictive then.

[AirP.]

Any trade of Yurt is no Bueno for this amigo.

i Keep getting the feeling Miami is hiding Yurt, i suppose they will either roll him out in the playoffs, or i am just flat wrong and Spo is dead set with the ultra small line up.

But i am right there with you, I love Wood, but would blink at moving yurt.

I am however totally fine with Duncan and 2 1st. Or even KZ, Duncan and 2 first.

I think you are right that spo and the heat are hiding yurt, he is weapon, spo isn't this stupid...but spo is dissing yurt to an extreme so the other case is about to happen... not enough chemistry being built, loss of confidence, etc

they are about to suffer the wrong edge of the double edged sword... then again if we play him a lot yurt will want to get paid a lot also ... can we afford that at this moment?

Yurtseven was missing assignments which will kill your team in the playoffs because those players will get exploited with teams having more time to game plan against the team. Maybe Yurtseven with repetition in the practices will fix his issues but at this time it is an issue.

BTW... yes, you can be somewhat successful with 4 shooters and a legit big like Yurtseven or even Dedmon with skill but in the playoffs you need to be able to exploit the other team's weaknesses which are why stars power great teams, those stars are usually have an advantage against most if not all teams but Miami doesn't have that, they have flawed stars like like Butler that can find a mismatch and taking them off the dribble or going into the low post, Bam can be a big advantage against teams with lesser defensive bigs.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

i Keep getting the feeling Miami is hiding Yurt, i suppose they will either roll him out in the playoffs, or i am just flat wrong and Spo is dead set with the ultra small line up.

But i am right there with you, I love Wood, but would blink at moving yurt.

I am however totally fine with Duncan and 2 1st. Or even KZ, Duncan and 2 first.

I think you are right that spo and the heat are hiding yurt, he is weapon, spo isn't this stupid...but spo is dissing yurt to an extreme so the other case is about to happen... not enough chemistry being built, loss of confidence, etc

they are about to suffer the wrong edge of the double edged sword... then again if we play him a lot yurt will want to get paid a lot also ... can we afford that at this moment?

They aren't hiding Yurt, stop with these theories from the X files. Miami operates like most corporations, there are promised minutes to signed veterans who are ahead in the totem pole. Yurt is earning his playing time like anyone before him did, next year we may not commit to same veterans and sign Yurt to a better contract thus increasing his minutes as a back up. Miami does not read into the stats and commits to what they put out until after a full season. They won't be making any mid season adjustments because Miami wins rebound battles when he plays, or we have a higher winning %, or if Yurts +- is ahead of the other guys in certain lineups. How have you guys not learned that continuity is Spos biggest calling card since coaching a Heat team, have you guys not learned anything. You may see Yurt get some burn when one of Deadmon or one of our small ball 4's are out. He may get some burn in the playoffs, in foul trouble situations from BAM, but our lineups will be tighter and more restrictive then.

The Yurt stuff is so weird lol. You’d think he was peak Shaq

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Seeing the Marcus chatter. Here’s his game against the Lakers last night