Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[GutUNC]

My last heave would be to see if Philly is interested in a different package for Simmons than other teams are offering.
1) Legit rotational players for playoffs this year
2) Expirings to have Max Cap space for Harden/Beal/Kyrie
3) Lotto pick

1) Move Dinwiddie to Raptors for Dragic + 2 2nds
2) Send Philly Dragic, Kuzma, other expirings (This is where another team may come into play)
3) Offer Philly unprotected pick swap
4) Take on Harris contract

Assuming Korkmaz is in the deal somewhere, then Philly immediately improves this year while reducing tax burden. They then have the following team/assets with a max spot
Maxey
Milton
Thybulle
Kuzma
Embiid

Lotto Pick.

Again, its not the best 'value' for Simmons. But 40M+ in cap space and a lotto pick gives Morey a TON of flexibility.

Subtracting Harris and adding Dragic and Kuzma (as well as other expirings which would require losing cheap players off the roster that they don't want to) is not improving PHL on the court this year. And as much as I buy Embiid being OK if they take this Simmons thing in to the offseason, I don't want to find out his reaction to getting actively worse in the here and now when they're a game out of the top seed*.

*-I readily admit that is not their actual standing in the conference come playoff time

[pcbothwel]

My last heave would be to see if Philly is interested in a different package for Simmons than other teams are offering.
1) Legit rotational players for playoffs this year
2) Expirings to have Max Cap space for Harden/Beal/Kyrie
3) Lotto pick

1) Move Dinwiddie to Raptors for Dragic + 2 2nds
2) Send Philly Dragic, Kuzma, other expirings (This is where another team may come into play)
3) Offer Philly unprotected pick swap
4) Take on Harris contract

Assuming Korkmaz is in the deal somewhere, then Philly immediately improves this year while reducing tax burden. They then have the following team/assets with a max spot
Maxey
Milton
Thybulle
Kuzma
Embiid

Lotto Pick.

Again, its not the best 'value' for Simmons. But 40M+ in cap space and a lotto pick gives Morey a TON of flexibility.

Subtracting Harris and adding Dragic and Kuzma (as well as other expirings which would require losing cheap players off the roster that they don't want to) is not improving PHL on the court this year. And as much as I buy Embiid being OK if they take this Simmons thing in to the offseason, I don't want to find out his reaction to getting actively worse in the here and now when they're a game out of the top seed*.

*-I readily admit that is not their actual standing in the conference come playoff time

???
You lose Harris and Korkmaz and replace them with Kuzma and Dragic. That alone is an improvement, or a wash at WORST. You then add in other ancillary exprings to make the trade work (Harrell, Holiday, etc.)

In the offseason, you let Danny Green go, but thats it. You keep all your other young talent and still have a max spot.
Oh, and you have a Lotto pick to play with as well. What am I missing?

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Not a good first impression calling long time members delusional trade proposals, pal.

Wait… where did Skybox call the trade delusional? He was just expressing his frank opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

Let me add that I'm not your pal...and that I really could give a rat's a** about someone's tenure on RealGM. I don't think I was impolite, although the poster I responded to called guys trash and dead weight...I basically reworded his proposal to show how ludicrous it was.

Also, thanks DCZ for the reasonable response...I don't cruise into other team's boards to troll, just want to steal Kispert while everyone is looking at Beal.

The best thing with Beal being out is Kispert getting quality minutes. He's part of why the Wizards are 7-4 minus Beal, as opposed to 17-23 with Bradley.

Kispert is a solid player who I seriously doubt will be traded,

[Skybox]

Wait… where did Skybox call the trade delusional? He was just expressing his frank opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

Let me add that I'm not your pal...and that I really could give a rat's a** about someone's tenure on RealGM. I don't think I was impolite, although the poster I responded to called guys trash and dead weight...I basically reworded his proposal to show how ludicrous it was.

Also, thanks DCZ for the reasonable response...I don't cruise into other team's boards to troll, just want to steal Kispert while everyone is looking at Beal.

The best thing with Beal being out is Kispert getting quality minutes. He's part of why the Wizards are 7-4 minus Beal, as opposed to 17-23 with Bradley.

Kispert is a solid player who I seriously doubt will ne traded,

I agree. I think he'll be a really solid player soon and for a long time.

[FAH1223]

Simmons to DC is dead if it was ever alive. WOW

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The Philadelphia 76ers and president of basketball operations Daryl Morey had been plotting to wait for the offseason to chase James Harden as a free agent and save Ben Simmons for a potential deal, but they may not have to wait that long after all.

With the NBA trade deadline just days away on Feb. 10, the 76ers are expected to pursue Harden in the coming days and the Nets are believed to be open to discussing a deal, sources with knowledge of the situation tell The Athletic. There’s expectation that both the 76ers and Nets will engage in dialogue on a deal around Simmons for Harden, multiple sources say, with Philadelphia holding a chest of role players in Seth Curry, Tyrese Maxey and Matisse Thybulle that could sweeten a potential package. Still, there’s no urgency for Nets officials, who have had the steadfast belief that the current core, as is, has the means necessary for a championship. However, it’s believed that an opening exists should an offer elevate the team and make the roster more well-rounded as the franchise pursues a championship.

Harden will miss Friday’s game against the Jazz due to tightness in his left hamstring.

Along with the potential of improving the roster depth, the Nets appear in need of change in what is a critical year in Kevin Durant’s prime, with a player option looming for Kyrie Irving in the offseason and with the organization’s championship expectations. When the Nets acquired Harden in a blockbuster trade in January 2021, the Big 3 he formed with Durant and Irving promised to be indestructible, arguably the most lethal offensive combination ever assembled. In the 16 games all three have played together, Brooklyn is 13-3. Their availability together has been a major concern, and perhaps could be a tremendous what-if factor in the grand scheme.

But beyond availability, sources say there have been growing concerns over Harden’s playing style — one of dominant ballhandling and his own pace from his MVP and All-NBA days in Houston — that contrasts with the free-flowing, organic approach from his two co-stars. Nets coach Steve Nash has met with his team’s stars over finding the balance and most beneficial styles, and although there have been bright spots, too often the team has reverted to a more dry offense at the end of games, especially against the league’s elite teams. In addition, the Nets’ game plans tend to shift depending on when Harden is on and off the floor, meaning a different play style at certain points. This has also been a point of contention from the coaching staff and players, sources said.

Harden was named to his 10th consecutive All-Star team this week, and remains a threat all over the floor despite a down season offensively (points per game his lowest since his third season in 2011-12, field-goal shooting percentage of 41.4 percent the lowest since his rookie year). Simmons, over on the Sixers side, has yet to play this season after requesting a trade in the offseason and then informing the team in October that he is not mentally ready to play and needs time to work on himself.

The expected openness to engage does not mean a deal will come to fruition — the Nets would surely want a significant haul from the 76ers. But it has opened the door to the possibility of a major blockbuster deal to occur on deadline week, which means Morey and the 76ers are primed to have their shot at Harden in-season, a potential deal that once seemed only possible in the summertime.

The 76ers want to find a star player able to elevate their championship chances this season, and rival teams believe the team will wait on moving Simmons until they find that caliber of player. There’s no question: Harden suffices the threshold. And his history with Morey fuels the 76ers with confidence that the pairing of Harden and MVP favorite Joel Embiid has tremendous title odds.

Across the league, the Simmons market has become more focused as the deadline nears. The Atlanta Hawks have been most engaged with the 76ers in recent weeks, according to sources. The sides have discussed a framework around John Collins, Bogdan Bogdanovic and draft compensation, those sources have said. The Sacramento Kings, meanwhile, have made clear that they have moved on from the Simmons sweepstakes after being one of the top suitors in the past few months.

The Minnesota Timberwolves have also remained in conversations with the 76ers, but are unwilling to meet Philadelphia’s high threshold for draft picks. Minnesota has indicated an openness to discussing a package that includes Simmons and Tobias Harris, sources said, but that offer would not come with draft capital from the Timberwolves and the 76ers do not view both players as part of a salary dump trade. The gulf in perspective is why there hasn’t been much traction so far. At 27-25, the Timberwolves are firmly in the postseason picture in the Western Conference, have had positive play from All-Star Karl-Anthony Towns, rising young guard Anthony Edwards and veteran guard D’Angelo Russell. Timberwolves vice president of basketball operations Sachin Gupta has been described as dutiful and active in conversations throughout the league.

Teams around the NBA have believed a Simmons deal would wait until the offseason, but as the trade deadline nears, all eyes are now firmly on the 76ers and Nets to possibly get a deal done. There’s a renewed sense of urgency around these Nets, and it could create a domino effect for several teams that sets the stage for this year’s deadline to have a major impact.

[Frichuela]

Simmons to DC is dead if it was ever alive. WOW

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The Philadelphia 76ers and president of basketball operations Daryl Morey had been plotting to wait for the offseason to chase James Harden as a free agent and save Ben Simmons for a potential deal, but they may not have to wait that long after all.

With the NBA trade deadline just days away on Feb. 10, the 76ers are expected to pursue Harden in the coming days and the Nets are believed to be open to discussing a deal, sources with knowledge of the situation tell The Athletic. There’s expectation that both the 76ers and Nets will engage in dialogue on a deal around Simmons for Harden, multiple sources say, with Philadelphia holding a chest of role players in Seth Curry, Tyrese Maxey and Matisse Thybulle that could sweeten a potential package. Still, there’s no urgency for Nets officials, who have had the steadfast belief that the current core, as is, has the means necessary for a championship. However, it’s believed that an opening exists should an offer elevate the team and make the roster more well-rounded as the franchise pursues a championship.

Harden will miss Friday’s game against the Jazz due to tightness in his left hamstring.

Along with the potential of improving the roster depth, the Nets appear in need of change in what is a critical year in Kevin Durant’s prime, with a player option looming for Kyrie Irving in the offseason and with the organization’s championship expectations. When the Nets acquired Harden in a blockbuster trade in January 2021, the Big 3 he formed with Durant and Irving promised to be indestructible, arguably the most lethal offensive combination ever assembled. In the 16 games all three have played together, Brooklyn is 13-3. Their availability together has been a major concern, and perhaps could be a tremendous what-if factor in the grand scheme.

But beyond availability, sources say there have been growing concerns over Harden’s playing style — one of dominant ballhandling and his own pace from his MVP and All-NBA days in Houston — that contrasts with the free-flowing, organic approach from his two co-stars. Nets coach Steve Nash has met with his team’s stars over finding the balance and most beneficial styles, and although there have been bright spots, too often the team has reverted to a more dry offense at the end of games, especially against the league’s elite teams. In addition, the Nets’ game plans tend to shift depending on when Harden is on and off the floor, meaning a different play style at certain points. This has also been a point of contention from the coaching staff and players, sources said.

Harden was named to his 10th consecutive All-Star team this week, and remains a threat all over the floor despite a down season offensively (points per game his lowest since his third season in 2011-12, field-goal shooting percentage of 41.4 percent the lowest since his rookie year). Simmons, over on the Sixers side, has yet to play this season after requesting a trade in the offseason and then informing the team in October that he is not mentally ready to play and needs time to work on himself.

The expected openness to engage does not mean a deal will come to fruition — the Nets would surely want a significant haul from the 76ers. But it has opened the door to the possibility of a major blockbuster deal to occur on deadline week, which means Morey and the 76ers are primed to have their shot at Harden in-season, a potential deal that once seemed only possible in the summertime.

The 76ers want to find a star player able to elevate their championship chances this season, and rival teams believe the team will wait on moving Simmons until they find that caliber of player. There’s no question: Harden suffices the threshold. And his history with Morey fuels the 76ers with confidence that the pairing of Harden and MVP favorite Joel Embiid has tremendous title odds.

Across the league, the Simmons market has become more focused as the deadline nears. The Atlanta Hawks have been most engaged with the 76ers in recent weeks, according to sources. The sides have discussed a framework around John Collins, Bogdan Bogdanovic and draft compensation, those sources have said. The Sacramento Kings, meanwhile, have made clear that they have moved on from the Simmons sweepstakes after being one of the top suitors in the past few months.

The Minnesota Timberwolves have also remained in conversations with the 76ers, but are unwilling to meet Philadelphia’s high threshold for draft picks. Minnesota has indicated an openness to discussing a package that includes Simmons and Tobias Harris, sources said, but that offer would not come with draft capital from the Timberwolves and the 76ers do not view both players as part of a salary dump trade. The gulf in perspective is why there hasn’t been much traction so far. At 27-25, the Timberwolves are firmly in the postseason picture in the Western Conference, have had positive play from All-Star Karl-Anthony Towns, rising young guard Anthony Edwards and veteran guard D’Angelo Russell. Timberwolves vice president of basketball operations Sachin Gupta has been described as dutiful and active in conversations throughout the league.

Teams around the NBA have believed a Simmons deal would wait until the offseason, but as the trade deadline nears, all eyes are now firmly on the 76ers and Nets to possibly get a deal done. There’s a renewed sense of urgency around these Nets, and it could create a domino effect for several teams that sets the stage for this year’s deadline to have a major impact.

Good Lord…I fear a sign and trade of Beal to the Celtics in the off-season where the Wiz get a crappy deal…We can’t certainly have nice things…

[jangles86]

Two aussies (Simmons & Thybulle) to join Patty Mills @ Brooklyn.
Brooklyn Boomers!

[Frichuela]

I mean unless Terd gets his head out of his ass and we do something like this…

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[deneem4]

We could’ve beaten that clippers for Portland deal

[WallToWall]

I dont buy this Harden for Simmons thing one bit. Morey knows how to leak stuff through his mouthpieces. This is like Simmons FOR 34875 first round picks + top tier young players deal that was put out there.
Yeah, all of a sudden, the trade market for a player who hasnt sniffed the floor is worth Harden level.

[queridiculo]

We could’ve beaten that clippers for Portland deal

I doubt it, pretty sure this was just Jody Allen doing her pal Ballmer a favor.

Also, I think the Blazers are done flushing money down the toilet, I imagine it's only a matter of time before Lillard is moved.

[gambitx777]

We could’ve beaten that clippers for Portland deal

I doubt it, pretty sure this was just Jody Allen doing her pal Ballmer a favor.

Also, I think the Blazers are done flushing money down the toilet, I imagine it's only a matter of time before Lillard is moved.

That's a good deal for portalt imo

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[gambitx777]

Dear God I don't want randle !

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[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Dear God I don't want randle !

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Randle and Beal on the same team would be hilariously bad. Two matadors who put up superficial, at best, numbers.

[nate33]

Dear God I don't want randle !

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LOL, it's never going to happen.

That's not even a rumor, it was idle speculation by a Zach Buckley of the Bleacher Report.

Sheppard isn't Ernie, and the Wizards have advanced stats guys in the front office now so they no longer make these mistakes. The idea that a guy on 4-year/$120M contract with a .507 TS% and a 101 ORtg is worth KCP, Rui and a 1st is patently absurd.

Randle isn't even better than Kuzma.

[GutUNC]

My last heave would be to see if Philly is interested in a different package for Simmons than other teams are offering.
1) Legit rotational players for playoffs this year
2) Expirings to have Max Cap space for Harden/Beal/Kyrie
3) Lotto pick

1) Move Dinwiddie to Raptors for Dragic + 2 2nds
2) Send Philly Dragic, Kuzma, other expirings (This is where another team may come into play)
3) Offer Philly unprotected pick swap
4) Take on Harris contract

Assuming Korkmaz is in the deal somewhere, then Philly immediately improves this year while reducing tax burden. They then have the following team/assets with a max spot
Maxey
Milton
Thybulle
Kuzma
Embiid

Lotto Pick.

Again, its not the best 'value' for Simmons. But 40M+ in cap space and a lotto pick gives Morey a TON of flexibility.

Subtracting Harris and adding Dragic and Kuzma (as well as other expirings which would require losing cheap players off the roster that they don't want to) is not improving PHL on the court this year. And as much as I buy Embiid being OK if they take this Simmons thing in to the offseason, I don't want to find out his reaction to getting actively worse in the here and now when they're a game out of the top seed*.

*-I readily admit that is not their actual standing in the conference come playoff time

???
You lose Harris and Korkmaz and replace them with Kuzma and Dragic. That alone is an improvement, or a wash at WORST. You then add in other ancillary exprings to make the trade work (Harrell, Holiday, etc.)

In the offseason, you let Danny Green go, but thats it. You keep all your other young talent and still have a max spot.
Oh, and you have a Lotto pick to play with as well. What am I missing?

Pretty much everything I wrote?

Harris is overpaid, but is easily the best player in the deal. Dragic is an anchor Toronto is trying to get rid of. And adding ancillary expirings means the Sixers have to cut free a Reed/Joe from the back of the roster that they don't want to.

[gambitx777]

Dear God I don't want randle !

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LOL, it's never going to happen.

That's not even a rumor, it was idle speculation by a Zach Buckley of the Bleacher Report.

Sheppard isn't Ernie, and the Wizards have advanced stats guys in the front office now so they no longer make these mistakes. The idea that a guy on 4-year/$120M contract with a .507 TS% and a 101 ORtg is worth KCP, Rui and a 1st is patently absurd.

Randle isn't even better than Kuzma.

I literally just said that's to someone. Like we have Kuz lol he's better younger and bigger than randle!

Also can we have an honest talk about something here. I was looking around the league for some teams that Beal would legit upgrade and who have the ability to make a sensible trade for him. Factoring in that he would have to want to go there. I'm having a hard time finding a better fit than the 76ers. I still have 0 desire for a flat Beal for Simmons trade but, who else is there.

The LA temas don't have the contacts/ young players or the picks to make any trade for Beal work. Boston doesn't really either unless they send smart to a 3ed team for assets going back to the wiz.
The hawks and nicks and in the same boats

Beal might wanna go to NO or Sac because of location and Texas and Florida teams temas always have an edge because of taxes and locations but all of them are either really bad right now or don't have the assets.

So of the Good teams right now that have the contacts and assets to make a move that he would be happy with. Again. The 76ers. But I'd say GS and the Cavs

GS could use greens contact and offer us something like.
Green, kumiga, moody and some sort of pick compensation, either a protected first or some seconds

The Cavs could offer us
Rubio, okuro, sexton and a bunch of picks.

But I don't know if the Cavs package is even good enough imo and do the GW even **** with team chem that much for a moderate upgrade in Beal over an injured and in deep decline green. Like yeah he still adds fire power to that team. But I don't know if they even take that swing with them winning and taking on green is meh, he's cooked imo and has one foot in retirement.


But again my point here is I'm struggling to find something even if we do decide to trade him ...



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[nate33]

Dear God I don't want randle !

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LOL, it's never going to happen.

That's not even a rumor, it was idle speculation by a Zach Buckley of the Bleacher Report.

Sheppard isn't Ernie, and the Wizards have advanced stats guys in the front office now so they no longer make these mistakes. The idea that a guy on 4-year/$120M contract with a .507 TS% and a 101 ORtg is worth KCP, Rui and a 1st is patently absurd.

Randle isn't even better than Kuzma.

I literally just said that's to someone. Like we have Kuz lol he's better younger and bigger than randle!

Also can we have an honest talk about something here. I was looking around the league for some teams that Beal would legit upgrade and who have the ability to make a sensible trade for him. Factoring in that he would have to want to go there. I'm having a hard time finding a better fit than the 76ers. I still have 0 desire for a flat Beal for Simmons trade but, who else is there.

The LA temas don't have the contacts/ young players or the picks to make any trade for Beal work. Boston doesn't really either unless they send smart to a 3ed team for assets going back to the wiz.
The hawks and nicks and in the same boats

Beal might wanna go to NO or Sac because of location and Texas and Florida teams temas always have an edge because of taxes and locations but all of them are either really bad right now or don't have the assets.

So of the Good teams right now that have the contacts and assets to make a move that he would be happy with. Again. The 76ers. But I'd say GS and the Cavs

GS could use greens contact and offer us something like.
Green, kumiga, moody and some sort of pick compensation, either a protected first or some seconds

The Cavs could offer us
Rubio, okuro, sexton and a bunch of picks.

But I don't know if the Cavs package is even good enough imo and do the GW even **** with team chem that much for a moderate upgrade in Beal over an injured and in deep decline green. Like yeah he still adds fire power to that team. But I don't know if they even take that swing with them winning and taking on green is meh, he's cooked imo and has one foot in retirement.


But again my point here is I'm struggling to find something even if we do decide to trade him ...



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Yup. I've looked at this over and over. The best return for a Beal trade starts with Philly and Simmons. That doesn't necessarily mean we should keep Simmons, but it's definitely a component of the trade. I've seen a hundred Beal proposals on the Trade Board, and none of them are ever as compelling as the ones that start with Beal for Simmons.

The starting point for a Beal trade should be: Who would value Beal the most at this point in time? The teams that would are championship contenders with a desperate need for a backcourt shot creator/playmaker. And in that group, the only real candidates are Philly and Denver. Denver has nothing to trade, so Philly is the best candidate. It's as simple as that. Nobody else will offer as much because no one else is desperate enough.

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