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Post#41 » by MartinToVaught » Sat Feb 5, 2022 12:50 am

madmaxmedia wrote:Covington, Morris, Ibaka, Batum...we only need two of these guys so let's see what the best deals out there are- who knows we might be able to make another trade that really works for us, like this one does.

(obviously we want to keep Batum though.)

I would trade Morris while his value is still high. I just don't trust him when it matters. I haven't forgotten him getting ejected in a closeout game against Dallas, firing up the Nuggets by fighting with Millsap, and also being invisible a lot of the time in the playoffs last year. I also stlll think we need to get a real point guard in here to balance out our offense and trading Morris is the most likely way to make that happen.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe traded? 

Post#42 » by esqtvd » Sat Feb 5, 2022 1:08 am

FYI: Philly hated Covington lol.

Twelve seconds into last night’s Sixers matchup against the Timberwolves, Robert Covington eyed an open three, shot, and missed. The boos rained down...

Twelve seconds. It happened again a couple minutes later...

And again...



https://www.crossingbroad.com/2017/01/booing-robert-covington-is-stupid.html


But some liked him in Portland.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2021/8/24/22639997/robert-covington-is-an-unsung-hero-portland-trail-blazers

Who cares that he clearly gave a damn on defense—an aberration, frankly, in Portland? Or that his knack for busting up possessions in the passing lane and as the weak-side help was alive and well? Or that he continued to salvage broken defensive sets from behind?

Or that he continued to do all this while fending for himself against No. 1 options more often than anyone save for Derrick Jones Jr., per BBall Index? Or that sticking him at the 4 next to Jusuf Nurkic actually proved to be quite stingy?

Add all this to the fact that Covington connected on 37.9% of his threes on 5.1 attempts per game, and according to Favale, “No one who matters thought RoCo sucked last year.”
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Post#43 » by Bobbymcgee » Sat Feb 5, 2022 1:16 am

Still can't believe the Clippers got a 18 ppg player to add to Leonard and George. Finally the Clippers finally have a reliable third option. Morris and Jackson have their moments but the Clippers really needed someone like Powell that can be relied on to score when needed.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe traded? 

Post#44 » by nickhx2 » Sat Feb 5, 2022 1:22 am

wing rotation with batum, mann, coffey, kennard, boston, and now powell and covington is a bit much. maybe coffey goes back to developing as a PG?
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Post#45 » by esqtvd » Sat Feb 5, 2022 1:31 am

Bobbymcgee wrote:Still can't believe the Clippers got a 18 ppg player to add to Leonard and George. Finally the Clippers finally have a reliable third option. Morris and Jackson have their moments but the Clippers really needed someone like Powell that can be relied on to score when needed.


true but Reggie has been a hero @16.7 ppg and often our first [and/or last] option
I'm sure be happy as hell to share more of the load

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Post#46 » by esqtvd » Sat Feb 5, 2022 1:38 am

nickhx2 wrote:wing rotation with batum, mann, coffey, kennard, boston, and now powell is a bit much. maybe coffey goes back to developing as a PG?


I still think PGs are born not made--everybody else is a combo guard or a swingman

at 6'7" Coffey is taking Mann's minutes
[if you recall Mann flunked out as a PG too]
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Post#47 » by ontnut » Sat Feb 5, 2022 1:40 am

madmaxmedia wrote:Covington, Morris, Ibaka, Batum...we only need two of these guys so let's see what the best deals out there are- who knows we might be able to make another trade that really works for us, like this one does.

(obviously we want to keep Batum though.)

What can Dragic get us? Seems like Clips could use a vet PG now (maybe he re-signs for mad cheap in the offseason to go for a ring run?)
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Post#49 » by TheNewEra » Sat Feb 5, 2022 2:30 am

I can see them experimenting with Coffey as the primary ball handler for that bench unit
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Post#50 » by Clemenza » Sat Feb 5, 2022 3:34 am

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Post#51 » by clipsfever » Sat Feb 5, 2022 3:34 am

If the units somewhat stack up for now as:

Reggie - Norm - Batum - Morris - Zu/Baka

and

Mann - Luke - Coffey - Boston - Big Hart

it could be super-fun... and I won't overly worry about that 2nd unit's ball-handling
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Post#52 » by esqtvd » Sat Feb 5, 2022 3:41 am

wonder if this is a message to Dame to embrace the trade to Philly--Blazers are DOA now

Blazers needed that deal but the Nets are reportedly wavering on dealing Harden now and I think he's Philly's first choice
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Post#53 » by nickhx2 » Sat Feb 5, 2022 3:54 am

TheNewEra wrote:I can see them experimenting with Coffey as the primary ball handler for that bench unit


this is kinda what i'd been thinking he needed to be doing, prior to the trade.

the issue is we have a million and one wings, and eventually once kawhi and pg come back, it's hard to find minutes for all the relevant ones - unless you start putting guys at "out of position." in coffey's case, i think that might end up being a really reasonable role for him, because he's totally capable of playing solid, mistake-free basketball and just making good decisions, something you'd like out of a backup PG.

and most of all you WANT him to be getting a lot of minutes, so yeah i'd have to think if no trade comes through, that might be the play.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe traded? 

Post#54 » by Clemenza » Sat Feb 5, 2022 4:03 am

Oden2 wrote:You guys just committed the heist of the century. Joe cronin needs to be fired and it’s only been a month, clips really pulled a fast one on a man who has clearly proven he’s the most incompetent gm in the nba in short order

Just read somewhere that you guys don't have an actual GM right now after letting Olshay go. So basically this Portland trade is how our bad trades would go when Doc Rivers was the head coach and GM of the team during our Lob City era. You guys shouldn't be making moves like this without an actual GM in place
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Post#55 » by esqtvd » Sat Feb 5, 2022 4:57 am

Clemenza wrote:
Oden2 wrote:You guys just committed the heist of the century. Joe cronin needs to be fired and it’s only been a month, clips really pulled a fast one on a man who has clearly proven he’s the most incompetent gm in the nba in short order

Just read somewhere that you guys don't have an actual GM right now after letting Olshay go. So basically this Portland trade is how our bad trades would go when Doc Rivers was the head coach and GM of the team during our Lob City era. You guys shouldn't be making moves like this without an actual GM in place



This dirt is undeserved: Actually none of Doc's trades ended up hurting us. The FRPs were mid-to-high 20s monkey picks. He did not leave the cupboard bare --as it is now. In fact, Doc left the cupboard FULL so we could empty it to get Paul George...and thus Kawhi.

And no players left here and got significantly better. And after all the whining and mocking for YEARS, Jeff Green is STILL in the NBA, STARTING for a playoff team. :wink: At 6'9" he WAS the SF of our dreams. Unfortunately Blake went down [TWICE!] and the dream frontcourt of DJ-Blake-JG never really happened. ORL signed him away for twice what he was worth and Sterling was hardly going to finance a bidding war.

Doc was not a genius wheeler and dealer--nor even a particularly good one--but neither did he sell out our future like so many other GMs have done to their team.


As for the Blazers, this clearly makes them a worse team, so there's only one interpretation--Cronin is obviously under orders from above. They're backing up the truck.
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Re: Eric Bledsoe traded? 

Post#56 » by MartinToVaught » Sat Feb 5, 2022 5:17 am

esqtvd wrote:Actually none of Doc's trades ended up hurting us.

The Austin trade alone was extremely destructive to team chemistry, was the final downfall of the Lob City era, and then Doc wasted another entire season trying to pad his stats only for an aging Marcin Gortat to be the best we could get from trading him. And that's just one example. Remember when Doc traded peak Bledsoe for Jared Dudley? Now look what we got in return for an older, much worse version of Bledsoe. The difference speaks for itself.

Doc never won a trade his entire time as GM - not one single positive transaction. Even Elgin won trades sometimes, but not Doc. Let that sink in.

The FRPs were mid-to-high 20s monkey picks.

Good front offices get quality players with those picks. Doc just had no patience for young players whose last names weren't Rivers.

He did not leave the cupboard bare

He left the cupboard so bare that there was no realistic path to improving without breaking up the CP3/Blake/DJ core entirely and starting from scratch. We didn't start getting the assets to build our current team until after he was demoted.
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Post#57 » by RTG HD » Sat Feb 5, 2022 5:33 am

Congratulations on getting Powell. However good you think he will be, he is probably better. Great 2 way player who I really wish Portland had not traded.
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Post#58 » by esqtvd » Sat Feb 5, 2022 6:11 am

esqtvd wrote:Actually none of Doc's trades ended up hurting us.


The Austin trade alone was extremely destructive to team chemistry


Moronic. We got him for nothing and the kid played his ass off.

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He left the cupboard so bare that there was no realistic path to improving without breaking up the CP3/Blake/DJ core entirely and starting from scratch. We didn't start getting the assets to build our current team until after he was demoted.



Unresponsive to a single word of the above. Doc left the cupboard FULL. So let's start again :D :

esqtvd wrote:Actually none of Doc's trades ended up hurting us. The FRPs were mid-to-high 20s monkey picks. He did not leave the cupboard bare --as it is now. In fact, Doc left the cupboard FULL so we could empty it to get Paul George...and thus Kawhi.

And no players left here and got significantly better. And after all the whining and mocking for YEARS, Jeff Green is STILL in the NBA, STARTING for a playoff team. :wink: At 6'9" he WAS the SF of our dreams. Unfortunately Blake went down [TWICE!] and the dream frontcourt of DJ-Blake-JG never really happened. ORL signed him away for twice what he was worth and Sterling was hardly going to finance a bidding war.

Doc was not a genius wheeler and dealer--nor even a particularly good one--but neither did he sell out our future like so many other GMs have done to their team.


He walked away clean and as one of the only black coaches to ever win a championship Doc helped attract Kawhi to the Clippers.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/story/2019-09-18/doc-rivers-hero-clippers-signed-kawhi-leonard-paul-george


It was OK with me that Doc was eventually fired from both posts. Organizations have to move on. But Doc Rivers was NOT the reason Lob City didn't win a title.
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Post#59 » by Max Headrom » Sat Feb 5, 2022 8:37 am

Something I just saw Justin Russo mentioned that I didn't think about. One we know this opens up a spot to sign Coffey to a real contract and 2, the new 2 way contract could be Xavier Moon who the Clippers seemed to really like and is a pretty competent point guard to use off the bench. Pushes the pace like Bled but is a better shooter and decision maker with the ball.
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Post#60 » by TheNewEra » Sat Feb 5, 2022 3:01 pm

What they decide to do with Serge probably determines if they go after a point guard. That’s a lot of pressure to put on Coffey to run the unit and we need a safety net if Reggie goes off the rails

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