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Around the League News and Rumors (Non-Hawks) Part 2

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Post#981 » by HMFFL » Sat Feb 5, 2022 6:46 am

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HMFFL wrote:Portland unloaded some series salary with Norman. They finally did something positive.



It's a shame they didn't keep Gary Trent, Jr last season.

On a related not, between Trent and Anferneee Simons, Portland should have traded CJ McCollum years ago for a front court player capable of offense and defense.

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I have mentioned that Portland needs to trade CJ for over five years now on the General Board. The problem is that Lillard insist that Portland keep him. Overrated talent for the money he makes.

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Post#982 » by HMFFL » Sat Feb 5, 2022 6:46 am

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I predict Coach will be fired within a year.

The Knicks are not competent.

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Post#983 » by HMFFL » Sat Feb 5, 2022 1:21 pm

The Toronto Raptors have also expressed interest in trading for Atlanta Hawks forward Danilo Gallinari, HoopsHype has learned. Toronto is one of a handful of teams who’ve inquired about Gallinari. It’s worth noting Toronto has looked to trade Goran Dragic, who is in the final year of his contract. Dragic could be used as a potential trade chip to match salaries with Gallinari.

 

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Post#984 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Feb 6, 2022 6:23 pm

I had this kid rated as the #1 player coming out of the 2019 draft.

Glad to see he's finally living up to expectations.

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Post#985 » by HMFFL » Mon Feb 7, 2022 10:14 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I had this kid rated as the #1 player coming out of the 2019 draft.

Glad to see he's finally living up to expectations.

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He has certainly been putting in the work. I'm happy for him!

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Post#986 » by Spud2nique » Tue Feb 8, 2022 12:34 am

Jamaaliver wrote:I had this kid rated as the #1 player coming out of the 2019 draft.

Glad to see he's finally living up to expectations.

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Yes I recall you posted 17000 articles about him. I think I know everything about him even though he’s not ours… :roll: thanks…

That ripper he had on Ant in LA the other night got me out of my seat. Nash wants to acquire his godson for Harden I’m sure…. Per no sources whatsoever. :lol:
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Post#990 » by DirtybirdGA » Thu Feb 10, 2022 6:45 pm

Hawk fans darling Derrick White is gone to Boston.
Where the offseason has more buzz happens.
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Post#991 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Feb 10, 2022 6:48 pm

We're missing out on so much...

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Post#992 » by D21 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:54 pm

SAC got DiVicenzo in the end, after missing on him in the supposed trade of Bogi to MIL
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Post#993 » by HMFFL » Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:00 pm

D.J. could be a fit for us.

The Rockets plan to waive D.J. Augustin and Armoni Brooks, according to Jackson Gatlin. 

Augustin hasn't been a consistent member of the Rockets rotation, and the team is now at the point where it wants to give its younger players as many minutes as they can handle. Augustin should fetch some interest on the buyout market among teams in need of depth at the point guard position. 

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Post#994 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:02 am

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Seems like a steep price to pay for Young.

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Post#995 » by LewisnotMiller » Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:15 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:The 2016 NBA Draft is all the proof you need that Mike Budenholzer was a terrible talent evaluator.

He had three picks in that draft (picks 12, 21, 44) and bypassed Pascal Siakam, Dejounte Murray and Fred Van Vleet multiple times each. Embarrassingly bad considering the guys he did select are fringe players who have bounced around the NBA with little impact.

He was an awful personnel man.

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Phoenix and Boston similarly bombed that draft.


Hey...sorry to jump in (just honestly curious). How do you figure Boston bombed in that draft?
Brown would be somewhat defensible as #1 overall.

Obviously we wasted the rest of our picks (all non lottery), with a lot of that due to roster squeezes we caused ourselves problems with. But hitting on a #3 pick and missing the rest isn't 'bombing', imho.

Anyways...bit random for me to be posting in an Atlanta thread, so no dramas if you're not interested. Cheers!
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Post#996 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:19 am

LewisnotMiller wrote:Hey...sorry to jump in (just honestly curious). How do you figure Boston bombed in that draft?


I'm sure Ante Zizic and Guerschon Yabusele will make amazing NBA players.

I'm sure all Celtic fans are pleased with selecting both of them instead of Caris Levert, Pascal Siakam, Dejounte Murray, or Malcolm Brogdon.

I mean who needs all star caliber players when you can select guys who are out of the league within 5 years, right? :razz:

(Your GM passed on Fred Van Vleet 5 times in that draft.)
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Post#997 » by LewisnotMiller » Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:08 am

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LewisnotMiller wrote:Hey...sorry to jump in (just honestly curious). How do you figure Boston bombed in that draft?


I'm sure Ante Zizic and Guerschon Yabusele will make amazing NBA players.

I'm sure all Celtic fans are pleased with selecting both of them instead of Caris Levert, Pascal Siakam, Dejounte Murray, or Malcolm Brogdon.

I mean who needs all star caliber players when you can select guys who are out of the league within 5 years, right? :razz:

(Your GM passed on Fred Van Vleet 5 times in that draft.)


Meh, that's kinda revisionist.
The Yabusele pick was pretty much indefensible in the moment, and got no better later. We picked him almost purely because we could stash him. Which is fine if he's decent, but...yeah, he wasn't.

However, the concensus number 3 picks that year were mostly Bender or Dunn...not Brown, who was projected later.

Dejounte Murray was seen as a development player the Spurs would play the long game with. Siakam was commonly seen as a major overreach at 27. Every team passed on FVV, including the Raps. And Lavert was someone with lottery talent, but feet which gave him about a 50% chance of ever playing, at the same position we'd just drafted Brown.

I'm not saying we smashed it out of the park, by any stretch, and Murray would have been a sensible pick at 22, in particular. But if we didn't take Yabusele at 16, we almost certainly would have taken Labissiere or Henry Ellison...not Paskal Siakam.

Props to the Raps management...they found gold twice where no one else saw it. But we got a top tier player from the draft. Do that each draft and you're absolutely golden. Call it a mixed bag, sure, but putting us in the same bucket as Phoenix? Yeesh.

In any case, I'm distinctly aware I'm an interloper here, so just want to thank you for responding and sharing your thoughts. I'll leave you guys be now (happy to read any responses).

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Post#998 » by D21 » Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:57 am

LewisnotMiller wrote:...The Yabusele pick was pretty much indefensible in the moment, and got no better later. We picked him almost purely because we could stash him...


And it got no better for his previous teams. Don't know if it has been fixed, but it made the news of the French league at a moment : I think the team that gave him his first pro contract should receive 60% and the one he was under contract 40% of NBA buyout, but they never saw the money. They didn't know if BOS had paid, who they had paid (the Chinese team where he was stached later should not receive any money)... first time I saw something like that.
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Post#999 » by LewisnotMiller » Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:44 am

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LewisnotMiller wrote:...The Yabusele pick was pretty much indefensible in the moment, and got no better later. We picked him almost purely because we could stash him...


And it got no better for his previous teams. Don't know if it has be fixed, but it made the news of the French league at a moment : I think the team that gave him his first pro contract should receive 60% and the one he was under contract 40% of NBA buyout, but they never saw the money. They didn't know if BOS had paid, who they had paid (the Chinese team where he was stached later should not receive any money)... first time I saw something like that.


Wow...just a mess all round then.
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Post#1000 » by D21 » Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:24 pm

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LewisnotMiller wrote:...The Yabusele pick was pretty much indefensible in the moment, and got no better later. We picked him almost purely because we could stash him...


And it got no better for his previous teams. Don't know if it has be fixed, but it made the news of the French league at a moment : I think the team that gave him his first pro contract should receive 60% and the one he was under contract 40% of NBA buyout, but they never saw the money. They didn't know if BOS had paid, who they had paid (the Chinese team where he was stached later should not receive any money)... first time I saw something like that.


Wow...just a mess all round then.


Actually, it looks like BOS didn't paid anything if what was written on a french website is right, but who is responsible for that mess ? His agent ? BOS ? Shanghai Sharks ? An mistakes in the French league papers ?...

Look at a french article from 2017, and I believe it's still not fixed :
Guerschon Yabusele, who made his NBA debut with Boston on Monday (15 minutes of play) in a preseason win over Charlotte (94-82), is still waiting to score his first official points in the big league. But he's not quite done with the Pro A yet.

The Celtics player (2.03 m, 21 years), drafted in 16th position in 2016 by the franchise of Massachusetts, is currently at the center of a legal imbroglio around the compensation usually received by French clubs when one of their players leaves for the NBA. The famous "buy-out", whose maximum amount is set by the U.S. league at 675,000 dollars (576,000 euros). Except that Rouen, his last club in Pro A (2015-2016), and the Chorale de Roanne, where he was trained, have not yet received a cent.

His season in China at the heart of the problem

At the center of the problem, the transition season spent by the native of Dreux (Eure-et-Loir) in China, Shanghai Sharks. And the question of who, from China or the Celtics, should pay the half million euros?
Before joining the CBA Championship, the French Federation (FFBB) had issued a letter of release (legally required) to Yabusele to allow him to play in China. Was this document from the FFBB valid as a contractual release of the player towards Rouen?

This is the crux of the problem. The SPO Rouen, which has seized the International Federation (FIBA) to intervene in his favor and hired a lawyer to assert its rights, claims the existence of a amendment to the contract binding Yabusele to the club, which ran until 2018, and did not originally include a release clause to China. The amendment allowed the player to leave the Pro A as a free loan to Shanghai, while remaining "property" of the SPO at the end of said loan. This allowed, in theory, to assure the club that at his official signing with Boston, a buy-out would be paid.

At this time Boston refuses to pay

Except that at this time, Boston refuses to pay, justifying to be in possession of a letter of exit of the Chinese Federation freeing the player of any contractual link with a basketball club, and perhaps not having knowledge of the famous rider. Rouen considers that, legally, Guerschon Yabusele is still part of the SPO, and has initiated a legal procedure to obtain the breach of his contract and... to recover the severance pay. An operation that could take a year before succeeding.

According to our information, the Shanghai Sharks in a first step, the Boston Celtics in a second, have both made substantial proposals for compensation to close the case. Both were refused. If Rouen wins the case, it remains to be seen if the player will pay his buy-out himself, or if the Boston Celtics will contribute to all or part of the sum.
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It may give a lesson to Euro team to change their contract if a player he's supposed to be drafted but that the NBA team want him to be stached

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