Zach Lavine FA 2022

[Rsashimi12]

Listened to Draymond's podcast a couple of days ago and Zach mentioned that he is really looking forward to this upcoming FA although he did mention he is very happy and content with the bulls.

Do you guys see any chance that he might leave chicago? Listening to draymond talk about rich paul's strong negotiation skills kinda makes me wary that zach might leave if our FO tries to play cheap

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[Dominator83]

Scary on all fronts. He's awesome but he's not one of those generational supermax worthy guys. Even now he hasn't really had a signature game in a while. The true supermax guys have those signature games almost every night.

[HomoSapien]

No chance he leaves. He’s going to be here for a long time.

[Repeat 3-peat]

LaVine will sign his 5 year max on day one of free agency.

[kodo]

The GM that was cheap is gone. Really, the big change was Jerry "I would trade all 6 Bulls Championships" Reinsdorf stepping down and giving control to his son Michael. Michael has been very open with his checkbook. Michael's willingness to spend is how we even got AK, ME, Billy Donovan, and an experienced FO instead of just promoting random people known around the office like Randy Brown and Pete Myers.

The cheap Bulls are gone, Lavine will get signed to max. The only question is whether after signing Lavine they'll still go into the lux tax and how deep. Bulls have only gone into lux tax twice since the lux tax was created.

And regardless, all you have to do is salary dump Coby White and $7.5M is off the books, now you're not even close to the lux tax. Patrick also makes $7.8M next year. Bulls obviously will let either go before letting Lavine walk.

[meekrab]

There are like 3 teams that have a realistic chance of having max cap space this summer: Orlando, San Antonio, and Detroit.

Do you really see Zach signing with one of those teams?

[Hold That]

I think he wants to be catered too and he deserves it.

[MrSparkle]

Long ways to go, but at this point it'd be a stretch if Zach made All-NBA. Injuries are making him miss games too.

6 guard slots. Curry, Trae, Morant, Doncic, Paul, Murray, Harden, Mitchell have slightly better numbers. Booker's in the conversation. Also, since DeRozan was counted as a guard in ASG, I'm assuming he's listed as a guard for All-NBA voting. Though he should be listed as a SF.

Zach has a chance, but unless Harden or Paul's production craters, I kind of see them rounding out the 3rd team while Curry/Trae/Ja/Luka claim 1st/2nd.

But yes, barre major injury, I think he gets the regular bird rights 4 or 5y max with a PO and we all move on (I prefer 4y over 5).

Unfortunately a super max will need to be offered if he becomes eligible. Otherwise his agent will get pouty and vibes will get a little messy. I don't see what argument the FO can make for not giving it to him, since they'll already be over the cap at that point. My opinion is it's just a dangerous amount of salary tied into 1 guy. $6m isn't a lot over the cap, but it's a lot if you happen to be under the cap if you happen clear salary in 3-4 years. Just limits options, not to mention the trade market. Seems like you're stuck trading for another super max bust (Westbrook, Wall, etc.), might get lucky with a buy-low CP3 situation. Lillard was definitely harder to trade; PHI needed to send a ton of salary out to even make it potentially work, even if POR wasn't ready to move him. $50m is just a lot of salary to take back if you're deciding to dump your star for a rebuild.

[Wingy]

The GM that was cheap is gone. Really, the big change was Jerry "I would trade all 6 Bulls Championships" Reinsdorf stepping down and giving control to his son Michael. Michael has been very open with his checkbook. Michael's willingness to spend is how we even got AK, ME, Billy Donovan, and an experienced FO instead of just promoting random people known around the office like Randy Brown and Pete Myers.

The cheap Bulls are gone, Lavine will get signed to max. The only question is whether after signing Lavine they'll still go into the lux tax and how deep. Bulls have only gone into lux tax twice since the lux tax was created.

And regardless, all you have to do is salary dump Coby White and $7.5M is off the books, now you're not even close to the lux tax. Patrick also makes $7.8M next year. Bulls obviously will let either go before letting Lavine walk.

Wow, you’re a serious optimist. Good for positivity, but we’ll see if they’ve changed their stripes for real in the coming years.

Their changes were completely reactionary to attendance and sales shrinking, the team being a year after year joke, and most disturbingly - it was Paxson that pushed them for the FO change.

All this new spending you outlined, the Advocate Center. It’s sad this is all huge news for a team as famous as the Bulls. This is standard stuff for a modern NBA franchise that doesn’t suck complete ass. I’ve said before...yay great. We’ve finally caught up to Cleveland in these regards!

[BeatDaCavs420]

This thread is gonna be good lol

[Axl Rose]

100% re-signing imo.

1. Management have shown a commitment toward winning.
2. He will be paid very handsomely.
3. Barring a team making some huge moves to create space we easily have the best situation available.

However if Zach wants to bilk a few teams out of a dinner and experience the FA process i am cool with that.

[jnrjr79]

Seriously, I have no idea why this keeps coming up.

The Bulls will max him immediately and he will accept. Literally the least interesting question re: 2022 FA.

[CBS7]

But we can't max him! It'll cripple the roster! We obviously just need to trade him for someone better, younger, and on a cheaper long term contract!

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

He should get exactly what he asks for day 1. If he doesn’t immediately sign, I think it would be somewhat problematic. There are cars where GMs give deadlines for these sort of things, but idk how you would even play this.

I’m not sure you can even mess around or if Klutch would let us have a discussion around a discount. I honestly think Zach would be open to it if we do well in the playoffs, but his agency will shut it down

[RSP83]

Zach finally plays for a winning team, and he said he's happy sharing leadership responsibility with Derozan and Vuc. Unless the Bulls decided they don't want to pay Zach the max or Zach want nothing less than supermax and the Bulls not giving him, I don't understand why Zach would want to leave Chicago.

My current belief on Zach FA 2022 situation is, Zach is a Bull beyond 2022 until he's not.

[FriedRise]

Y’all care too much about how a billionaire spends his money.

[coldfish]

Y’all care too much about how a billionaire spends his money.

Here is the thing, we know how Reinsdorf is going to spend his money. If he spends a lot on Lavine, he will spend less on the other players and that will make the team worse and I can't do anything about that.

All I really care about is the Bulls doing well. I don't personally care if Lavine makes $1m or $100m per year. That said, the more he makes the worse the team will be. Its an unfortunate reality.

If there was a way I could force the team to sell to Elon Musk or something, I would do it but I can't.

[BullChit]

The whole Max vs Supermax thing is kind of a chicken and the egg question though right?

In order to make the Supermax Zach will have to play to a certain level to make the All NBA teams. By doing so won't he have proven to be at the very least worthy of the Max at that point.

And when it comes to the Max well unfortunately this is the way players are paid in today's league. Zach at this point is way more deserving than some other players who have received the Max.

And also poor look for the Bulls Front Office if they mess around and low ball or wait to offer Zach the Max. The reputation amongst players and agents and even the media will take such a hit if they don't put that Max offer on the table.

[sco]

The whole Max vs Supermax thing is kind of a chicken and the egg question though right?

In order to make the Supermax Zach will have to play to a certain level to make the All NBA teams. By doing so won't he have proven to be at the very least worthy of the Max at that point.

And when it comes to the Max well unfortunately this is the way players are paid in today's league. Zach at this point is way more deserving than some other players who have received the Max.

And also poor look for the Bulls Front Office if they mess around and low ball or wait to offer Zach the Max. The reputation amongst players and agents and even the media will take such a hit if they don't put that Max offer on the table.

Good point.

The problem with the SUPERMAX, IMO, is that it takes a long time for most of the guys who get there, so teams end-up putting those deals out to guys who are 30+ years old, and it is often the case that those guys fall off in terms of delivering output worth the $. At least Zach would be on the younger end of that curve, where our chances of it being a Wall or Westbrook albatross type deal are lower.

[Macallan]

Who has the cap space to make Zach a better offer with a better roster surrounding him? I expect Zach to sign the max offer on day 1 of FA. The massive roster overhaul was not just to win and change the perception of the Bulls, but to keep Zach happy and show that they are committed to winning going forward. Zach isn't going anywhere.