2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[bumbleboy]

You guys are gonna love having Yak back until he's clanging FTs in the Playoffs and useless offensively in crunch time.

He’s not a starter for this roster though. He would be an absolutely perfect matchup play in the playoffs - he won’t be on the floor in crunch time and he’s a good enough passer and screener that he’ll fit in just fine offensively. I just don’t see where you’re going to need to play him huge minutes, but if you’re going against Embiid in a 7 game series, yeah, he definitely helps.

I’m not sure he would be thrilled about that role, but his minutes vary with SA too and he never struck me as a guy that would be a locker room problem.

If you can somehow swing McDermott out of that, I really think it makes us a legitimate contender:

FVV / Banton
Trent / McDermott
OG / Achiuwa
Pascal / Boucher
Barnes / Poeltl

Yes please.

That's just it. Poeltl gives you something you don't have and need for matchups. Achiuwa can be on the floor at the end of games to shoot free throws. And Poeltl's age and contract line up with the Raptors timeline going forward.

Flynn, 1st and Birch for Poeltl. That leaves you Boucher and Dragic as options to trade for a shooter (i.e. not Bledsoe) either straight up or in a multiteam deal in which salary ballast is required.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

You guys are gonna love having Yak back until he's clanging FTs in the Playoffs and useless offensively in crunch time.

He’s not a starter for this roster though. He would be an absolutely perfect matchup play in the playoffs - he won’t be on the floor in crunch time and he’s a good enough passer and screener that he’ll fit in just fine offensively. I just don’t see where you’re going to need to play him huge minutes, but if you’re going against Embiid in a 7 game series, yeah, he definitely helps.

I’m not sure he would be thrilled about that role, but his minutes vary with SA too and he never struck me as a guy that would be a locker room problem.

If you can somehow swing McDermott out of that, I really think it makes us a legitimate contender:

FVV / Banton
Trent / McDermott
OG / Achiuwa
Pascal / Boucher
Barnes / Poeltl

Yes please.

That's just it. Poeltl gives you something you don't have and need for matchups. Achiuwa can be on the floor at the end of games to shoot free throws. And Poeltl's age and contract line up with the Raptors timeline going forward.

Flynn, 1st and Birch for Poeltl. That leaves you Boucher and Dragic as options to trade for a shooter (i.e. not Bledsoe) either straight up or in a multiteam deal in which salary ballast is required.

He makes too much just to be in a situational lineup. Best way you can make this into a treadmill team is poor cap management.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Lavert dropped 42 points today. Adding him to our team would be so deadly

That's my dream scenario.

A bit risky since he is very injury prone but still gives us exactly what we need. Dynamic 2 way player who can play 3 positions and fill in to start or play in a death lineup situation as well.

Defence is not amazing but I would say average to above average. 3pt shooting is a bit of concern but he is a proven scorer and also a very good passer and creator.

I would hope we could get him for Dragic, Flynn and a future 2nd. I'm sure the Pacers will ask for a 1st but I would hope no one else offers anything of value and we get him instead. Would be a perfect fit and plugs into multiple lineups. Can play with Fred or as a lead ball handler with the second unit.

Backup option is the same offer but get Warren and Justin holiday instead. Gives us some scoring and shooting. Not as dynamic as levert but still some real scoring depth.

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I read that they actually wanted TWO 1st picks for LeVert.

Lol no one’s giving up two FRP for levert. I would value Norm higher than Levert and all he’s gotten is a SRP expiring and prospect in Johnson. Offer Dragic SRP Flynn and see if they bite.

[Madhouse]

Poeltl is a liability in crunch time. Not someone I would give up a first but that's just me.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Poeltl is a liability in crunch time. Not someone I would give up a first but that's just me.

Yeah people like to throw around FRP in trades but having players on rookie contracts is a key part of good cap management

[Van_Trump]

Toronto Trades
Goran Dragic
Malachi Flynn
2 X 2nd rounders

Receives
Jacob Poetl
Dwight Powell

Dallas Trades
Dwight Powell
Maxi Kleber
Trey Burke
1st round pick lottery protected

Receives
Goran Dragic
Thaddeus Young

San Antonio Trades
Thaddeus Young
Jacob Poetl

Receives
Trey Burke
Maxi Kleber
Malachi Flynn
1st + two 2nd round picks

[bumbleboy]

Poeltl is a liability in crunch time. Not someone I would give up a first but that's just me.

Yeah people like to throw around FRP in trades but having players on rookie contracts is a key part of good cap management

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Poeltl is a liability in crunch time. Not someone I would give up a first but that's just me.

Yeah people like to throw around FRP in trades but having players on rookie contracts is a key part of good cap management

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

Why is Poeltl worth a first? Does he take this team to the next level in any kind of significant way. Whatever advantages he provides on defense are easily taken away by what he doesn’t provide on offense.
And Rookie contracts are always valuable because they provide cheap talent you don’t have to overpay for.

[Madhouse]

Poeltl is a liability in crunch time. Not someone I would give up a first but that's just me.

Yeah people like to throw around FRP in trades but having players on rookie contracts is a key part of good cap management

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

and what is this team's timeline?

if you are arguing that way, why not say the same about Barnes?

If you nail that pick, you can have a player play at a high level by year 3 and a solid rotational player by year 2.

And you get that player at only a couple million per year for several years.

And why do we need a big anyway? I would rather draft a wing or guard.

Ujiri drafted Delon, Flynn, Bruno, Siakam, Anunoby.

Poeltl is a safe bet but he also has a lower ceiling and his contract runs out in 2023. Possibly 1.5 years of Poeltl who can't be relied on in crunch time or in the playoffs vs 4-5 years of a cost controlled rookie. I'll take my chances there in the draft and hope Ujiri finds the next Anunoby/Siakam.

[Asif16]

I've been preaching for Josh Hart for a while now. I think he fits perfectly in all facets. Age/Contract/Position/Abilities

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[billy_hoyle]

Yeah people like to throw around FRP in trades but having players on rookie contracts is a key part of good cap management

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

Why is Poeltl worth a first? Does he take this team to the next level in any kind of significant way. Whatever advantages he provides on defense are easily taken away by what he doesn’t provide on offense.
And Rookie contracts are always valuable because they provide cheap talent you don’t have to overpay for.

Yep I'm really glad we have Flynn's cheap rookie contract. Super valuable.

[Los_29]

Yeah people like to throw around FRP in trades but having players on rookie contracts is a key part of good cap management

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

Why is Poeltl worth a first? Does he take this team to the next level in any kind of significant way. Whatever advantages he provides on defense are easily taken away by what he doesn’t provide on offense.
And Rookie contracts are always valuable because they provide cheap talent you don’t have to overpay for.

But guys on rookie contracts only provide value if they are actually good. Very rarely are they good in the range that we will be picking in.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should overpay for Poeltl but Dragic/FRP is a highway robbery and I would be surprised if the Spurs did that. Poeltl is on a very team friendly deal and is only 26 years old.

It's highly unlikely that who we get in the draft is ever as good as Poeltl.

Poeltl also wouldn't be in our lineup during crunch time but he would play 20-25 minutes of highly effective basketball for us.

With that said, I still prefer a guard but if a deal like that comes along you have to do it.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I've been preaching for Josh Hart for a while now. I think he fits perfectly in all facets. Age/Contract/Position/Abilities

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yes. he would be great for the bench. an upgraded Champagnie.

[Asif16]

Josh Hart + Tomas Satoranski

For

Dragic + Malachi Flynn + Svi Mikhaluik + 2nd Pick?

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

Why is Poeltl worth a first? Does he take this team to the next level in any kind of significant way. Whatever advantages he provides on defense are easily taken away by what he doesn’t provide on offense.
And Rookie contracts are always valuable because they provide cheap talent you don’t have to overpay for.

Yep I'm really glad we have Flynn's cheap rookie contract. Super valuable.

What about Precious Barnes and champagnie

[douggood]

if there is any trade with the spurs, i want one of thier guards. they are so guard/sf heavy

keldon johnson (who was the player picked 29th using the raptors pick from kawhi trade)
derrick white
david vassel
lonnie walker - meh, a 1st would be too much for him, but him and jacob for a 1st thats much better.

they also have primo but probably not trading him now.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

Why is Poeltl worth a first? Does he take this team to the next level in any kind of significant way. Whatever advantages he provides on defense are easily taken away by what he doesn’t provide on offense.
And Rookie contracts are always valuable because they provide cheap talent you don’t have to overpay for.

But guys on rookie contracts only provide value if they are actually good. Very rarely are they good in the range that we will be picking in.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should overpay for Poeltl but Dragic/FRP is a highway robbery and I would be surprised if the Spurs did that. Poeltl is on a very team friendly deal and is only 26 years old.

It's highly unlikely that who we get in the draft is ever as good as Poeltl.

Poeltl also wouldn't be in our lineup during crunch time but he would play 20-25 minutes of highly effective basketball for us.

With that said, I still prefer a guard but if a deal like that comes along you have to do it.

I get where you are coming from but moving forward the center position is where there is less value being assigned. Poeltl is not a bad player by any means but I would assign higher value to obtaining good guards with that package that a decent role playing center.

[Asif16]

Josh Hart seems like the sort of player Nick Nurse would fall in love with as well. Great two-way player with ball handling abilities and decent shooting. Great Glue guy.

Only 26yrs old so he fits our core group of guys age-wise.

[Ell Curry]

Paul Reed's advanced stats in the G-League are wild considering he's been cold from 3. Just watching a couple 905 possessions and I'd love to see him here as a center in our system, for which he seems to have the speed and activity, if the cost is small.

[MikeM]

Achiuwa is slamming corner 3s now. The guy is going to play a lot now. Our C interest is a smokescreen.