LeVert to Cleveland

[vege]

Cleveland Out: Ricky Rubio / Collin Sexton / Lotto protected 1st
Cleveland In: Caris LeVert

They acquire LeVert to make a push this season

Indiana Out: Caris LeVert
Indiana In: Ricky Rubio / Collin Sexton / Lotto protected 1st

They add a young player and a 1st for LeVert which is reported as their asking price. I'm not sure if they'd want to pay Sexton but I don't think they can get a better deal for LeVert tbh.

[Mavrelous]

Rubio + HOU 2nd + SAS 2nd should be enough, Pacers are smoking ggod stuff if they see LeVert as 2 1st picks.

[LightTheBeam]

Rubio + HOU 2nd + SAS 2nd should be enough, Pacers are smoking ggod stuff if they see LeVert as 2 1st picks.

I think Sexton makes sense as a buy low for Indiana and would have no place in Cleveland anyways.

Sexton, Rubio, 2nd

[Scoot McGroot]

I posted this on the Pacers forum.

To me, if it's Rubio as filler, if we could get both the Houston and the SA 2nds this year, I'd probably pull the trigger. If we could get the 1st, I'd do it asap. If we could get the 1st and one of the 2 early 2nds (or both) I'd be pretty ecstatic.

It is funny that this report that Cleveland is stepping up their interest pops up the night after Levert went for 40+ against Chicago.

[jbk1234]

I cannot convey with words how badly I hope Cleveland's purported interest in LeVert is smoke. Like seriously, I feel it would be bad juju, the basketball gods will hear me, and we'd trade for him.

[Madhouse]

Rubio + HOU 2nd + SAS 2nd should be enough, Pacers are smoking ggod stuff if they see LeVert as 2 1st picks.

I'm pretty confident the Pacers will get 1 first back for Levert.

[Mavrelous]

Rubio + HOU 2nd + SAS 2nd should be enough, Pacers are smoking ggod stuff if they see LeVert as 2 1st picks.

I'm pretty confident the Pacers will get 1 first back for Levert.

The 2 CLE 2nds are equivalent of a 1st

[Adrian Street]

I would do the original offer. if it's 2 SRP's instead of a FRP I hold onto LeVert, especially since he is the only healthy starter we have left now and is playing great.

[BrianInPhilly]

I follow the Cavs but I really don’t watch enough Pacers to know Lavert’s game. Can a Pacers fan chime in and actually describe LaVert’s game behind the stats? Example

1. Can he actually shoot well? Is his low percentages just a byproduct of being thrown the ball on ISO’s? Or is it bad shot selection and/or ball hogging? Could her shoot 37 percent on catch & shoot threes ?
2. How’s his defense? Is he quick enough to guard shooting guards or PG’s
3. Does he make quick decisions / passes offensively or does the ball stick with him?

I’m reluctant to say he’ll help the Cavs because I don’t want him to ruin the Cavs offensive ball movement. If he can’t shoot well & cant defend either I’m struggling to see how taking minutes away from a guy like Lamar Stevens or even Cedi Osman (statistically similar player) makes them a better team.

[Wizop]

I would do the original offer. if it's 2 SRP's instead of a FRP I hold onto LeVert, especially since he is the only healthy starter we have left now and is playing great.

There are Pacer fans who'd move him because he's playing great to get more ping pong balls.

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[Scoot McGroot]

I follow the Cavs but I really don’t watch enough Pacers to know Lavert’s game. Can a Pacers fan chime in and actually describe LaVert’s game behind the stats? Example

1. Can he actually shoot well? Is his low percentages just a byproduct of being thrown the ball on ISO’s? Or is it bad shot selection and/or ball hogging? Could her shoot 37 percent on catch & shoot threes ?

He’s streaky, but he’ll take tough shots, too. I don’t know that you could ever count on him being a 37% shooter from 3. His ideal seems to be to drive the lane, or if stopped, pull a step back J.

2. How’s his defense? Is he quick enough to guard shooting guards or PG’s

He CAN play good defense when he’s plugged in and fired up. He’s rarely so. He often drifts mindlessly on defense and gets out of position. He’s usable on SG’s his size and quickness. He’s not able to guard PG’s. If he was, that would solve a lot for Indy.

3. Does he make quick decisions / passes offensively or does the ball stick with him?

He does not make quick decisions, and the ball lingers on him. Maybe the Indy system doesn’t suit him, but he holds the ball and he develops tunnel vision.

I’m reluctant to say he’ll help the Cavs because I don’t want him to ruin the Cavs offensive ball movement. If he can’t shoot well & cant defend either I’m struggling to see how taking minutes away from a guy like Lamar Stevens or even Cedi Osman (statistically similar player) makes them a better team.

I get it. If he was the things you’re asking/hoping for, it’d require y’all giving up a ton of really good value that you don’t really have. He’s only attainable for your Late 1st or early 2nds because he’s a flawed player. He can absolutely go hot and put up huge numbers. He can absolutely go on runs where he’s dialed in and only rarely lapsing on defense and the like. But it’s not all the time. If it was, he’d be a star and you’d never be able to acquire him.

[BrianInPhilly]

I follow the Cavs but I really don’t watch enough Pacers to know Lavert’s game. Can a Pacers fan chime in and actually describe LaVert’s game behind the stats? Example

1. Can he actually shoot well? Is his low percentages just a byproduct of being thrown the ball on ISO’s? Or is it bad shot selection and/or ball hogging? Could her shoot 37 percent on catch & shoot threes ?

He’s streaky, but he’ll take tough shots, too. I don’t know that you could ever count on him being a 37% shooter from 3. His ideal seems to be to drive the lane, or if stopped, pull a step back J.

2. How’s his defense? Is he quick enough to guard shooting guards or PG’s

He CAN play good defense when he’s plugged in and fired up. He’s rarely so. He often drifts mindlessly on defense and gets out of position. He’s usable on SG’s his size and quickness. He’s not able to guard PG’s. If he was, that would solve a lot for Indy.

3. Does he make quick decisions / passes offensively or does the ball stick with him?

He does not make quick decisions, and the ball lingers on him. Maybe the Indy system doesn’t suit him, but he holds the ball and he develops tunnel vision.

I’m reluctant to say he’ll help the Cavs because I don’t want him to ruin the Cavs offensive ball movement. If he can’t shoot well & cant defend either I’m struggling to see how taking minutes away from a guy like Lamar Stevens or even Cedi Osman (statistically similar player) makes them a better team.

I get it. If he was the things you’re asking/hoping for, it’d require y’all giving up a ton of really good value that you don’t really have. He’s only attainable for your Late 1st or early 2nds because he’s a flawed player. He can absolutely go hot and put up huge numbers. He can absolutely go on runs where he’s dialed in and only rarely lapsing on defense and the like. But it’s not all the time. If it was, he’d be a star and you’d never be able to acquire him.

Thanks. I don’t think he’d fit. Spacing is the main issue they have right now. If he likes to operate in mid range that won’t work. Cleveland already has better mid range options statistically (Mobley, Love). They need a guy who keeps teams from doubling the bigs in the post ... in my opinion. Or can at least create offense but doesn’t even seem like passing is a strength of his.

[Adrian Street]

I would do the original offer. if it's 2 SRP's instead of a FRP I hold onto LeVert, especially since he is the only healthy starter we have left now and is playing great.

There are Pacer fans who'd move him because he's playing great to get more ping pong balls.

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There are Pacers fans who act like all he does is going around kicking babies and dogs.

[realball]

Rubio + HOU 2nd + SAS 2nd should be enough, Pacers are smoking ggod stuff if they see LeVert as 2 1st picks.

I'm pretty confident the Pacers will get 1 first back for Levert.

The 2 CLE 2nds are equivalent of a 1st

So they might as well trade the 1st then right?

Cleveland's pick is going to be in 20s, I think that Levert is easily worth that, despite him being terrible this year.

[Madhouse]

Rubio + HOU 2nd + SAS 2nd should be enough, Pacers are smoking ggod stuff if they see LeVert as 2 1st picks.

I'm pretty confident the Pacers will get 1 first back for Levert.

The 2 CLE 2nds are equivalent of a 1st

then trade the first if it's the same value.

[Scoot McGroot]

I follow the Cavs but I really don’t watch enough Pacers to know Lavert’s game. Can a Pacers fan chime in and actually describe LaVert’s game behind the stats? Example

1. Can he actually shoot well? Is his low percentages just a byproduct of being thrown the ball on ISO’s? Or is it bad shot selection and/or ball hogging? Could her shoot 37 percent on catch & shoot threes ?

He’s streaky, but he’ll take tough shots, too. I don’t know that you could ever count on him being a 37% shooter from 3. His ideal seems to be to drive the lane, or if stopped, pull a step back J.

2. How’s his defense? Is he quick enough to guard shooting guards or PG’s

He CAN play good defense when he’s plugged in and fired up. He’s rarely so. He often drifts mindlessly on defense and gets out of position. He’s usable on SG’s his size and quickness. He’s not able to guard PG’s. If he was, that would solve a lot for Indy.

3. Does he make quick decisions / passes offensively or does the ball stick with him?

He does not make quick decisions, and the ball lingers on him. Maybe the Indy system doesn’t suit him, but he holds the ball and he develops tunnel vision.

I’m reluctant to say he’ll help the Cavs because I don’t want him to ruin the Cavs offensive ball movement. If he can’t shoot well & cant defend either I’m struggling to see how taking minutes away from a guy like Lamar Stevens or even Cedi Osman (statistically similar player) makes them a better team.

I get it. If he was the things you’re asking/hoping for, it’d require y’all giving up a ton of really good value that you don’t really have. He’s only attainable for your Late 1st or early 2nds because he’s a flawed player. He can absolutely go hot and put up huge numbers. He can absolutely go on runs where he’s dialed in and only rarely lapsing on defense and the like. But it’s not all the time. If it was, he’d be a star and you’d never be able to acquire him.

Thanks. I don’t think he’d fit. Spacing is the main issue they have right now. If he likes to operate in mid range that won’t work. Cleveland already has better mid range options statistically (Mobley, Love). They need a guy who keeps teams from doubling the bigs in the post ... in my opinion. Or can at least create offense but doesn’t even seem like passing is a strength of his.

His step backs are usually into 3’s. Did not mean to imply in any way that he thrives in the mid range. Like, he hits there, but enough to keep the D honest. He’s generally a 3 or rim kind of guy.

Otherwise, his slashing creates opportunities, for sure. He just tends to get tunnel vision. However he’s a better wraparound passer once he gets in the lane to big men. He definitely creates for others. He could be a 10+ assists per,game kind of guy if he didn’t develop his tunnel vision.

[Adrian Street]

I follow the Cavs but I really don’t watch enough Pacers to know Lavert’s game. Can a Pacers fan chime in and actually describe LaVert’s game behind the stats? Example

1. Can he actually shoot well? Is his low percentages just a byproduct of being thrown the ball on ISO’s? Or is it bad shot selection and/or ball hogging? Could her shoot 37 percent on catch & shoot threes ?

He’s streaky, but he’ll take tough shots, too. I don’t know that you could ever count on him being a 37% shooter from 3. His ideal seems to be to drive the lane, or if stopped, pull a step back J.

2. How’s his defense? Is he quick enough to guard shooting guards or PG’s

He CAN play good defense when he’s plugged in and fired up. He’s rarely so. He often drifts mindlessly on defense and gets out of position. He’s usable on SG’s his size and quickness. He’s not able to guard PG’s. If he was, that would solve a lot for Indy.

3. Does he make quick decisions / passes offensively or does the ball stick with him?

He does not make quick decisions, and the ball lingers on him. Maybe the Indy system doesn’t suit him, but he holds the ball and he develops tunnel vision.

I’m reluctant to say he’ll help the Cavs because I don’t want him to ruin the Cavs offensive ball movement. If he can’t shoot well & cant defend either I’m struggling to see how taking minutes away from a guy like Lamar Stevens or even Cedi Osman (statistically similar player) makes them a better team.

I get it. If he was the things you’re asking/hoping for, it’d require y’all giving up a ton of really good value that you don’t really have. He’s only attainable for your Late 1st or early 2nds because he’s a flawed player. He can absolutely go hot and put up huge numbers. He can absolutely go on runs where he’s dialed in and only rarely lapsing on defense and the like. But it’s not all the time. If it was, he’d be a star and you’d never be able to acquire him.

Thanks. I don’t think he’d fit. Spacing is the main issue they have right now. If he likes to operate in mid range that won’t work. Cleveland already has better mid range options statistically (Mobley, Love). They need a guy who keeps teams from doubling the bigs in the post ... in my opinion. Or can at least create offense but doesn’t even seem like passing is a strength of his.

LeVert is a strange player offensively. When he's healthy and in his groove he can put up points with anyone. He's a streaky shooter but not so much streaky from game to game as streaky from month to month, like around 30% from 3 one month and 40% the next month. He likes the ball in his hands and can dribble too much but is a great penetrator and can penetrate almost at will at times. He manages to put up good assist numbers because of his penetration ability. I think he is better at PG as that is where he can put up some monster scoring and assist games. He uses a stop and go style on his drives that can drive defenders nuts. When he came to the Pacers he was found to have cancer in his physical, he missed a few months for that and he played awful the first month after he came back then found his groove and was much better until he had his season end with injury. He came into this season recovering from the back injury, missed the first 6 games or so, then came back and played awful for the first month back then much better for the last couple. He has missed a lot of games with major injuries and illness (cancer) but he doesn't seem to miss much because of minor injuries. Right now he is the Pacers only healthy starter. Defensively he's not s good as he should be given his athletic and physical gifts. He's a complicated player to describe, at times you will think he's great like last night and then other times you will wonder why he isn't better. You can usually count on him for at least 20 points, 5 assists and 5 rebs. when healthy and at least a month past major injury. Strange player but I like him more than most here.

[basketballwacko2]

I would do the original offer. if it's 2 SRP's instead of a FRP I hold onto LeVert, especially since he is the only healthy starter we have left now and is playing great.

Now now is the time to trade LeVert before he gets LeHurt again. Getting Rubio, Sexton and 2 high 2nds for LeVert and Lamb would be great. They'd probably have to send Ed Davis to us to keep from going into the tax. We'd have to cut someone to make that trade as the roster is full. Who? I'd cut Sykes with the understanding that I'm gonna immediately buy out either Davis or Rubio and resign him as soon as that is done.

The question is do the Pacers want to keep Rubio's bird rights or just buy him out.

[basketballwacko2]

I would do the original offer. if it's 2 SRP's instead of a FRP I hold onto LeVert, especially since he is the only healthy starter we have left now and is playing great.

There are Pacer fans who'd move him because he's playing great to get more ping pong balls.

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There are Pacers fans who act like all he does is going around kicking babies and dogs.

He eats babies! No Cheetos that's it. He ate my Cheetos!

In reality he's a selfish no "D" tunnel vison chucker who gets hurt when ever he steps on a crack in the sidewalk!! I mean yeah Cleveland he's a great scorer and passer you really want him, just hide the Cheetos.

[pacers33granger]

LeVert is a strange player offensively. When he's healthy and in his groove he can put up points with anyone. He's a streaky shooter but not so much streaky from game to game as streaky from month to month, like around 30% from 3 one month and 40% the next month. He likes the ball in his hands and can dribble too much but is a great penetrator and can penetrate almost at will at times. He manages to put up good assist numbers because of his penetration ability. I think he is better at PG as that is where he can put up some monster scoring and assist games. He uses a stop and go style on his drives that can drive defenders nuts. When he came to the Pacers he was found to have cancer in his physical, he missed a few months for that and he played awful the first month after he came back then found his groove and was much better until he had his season end with injury. He came into this season recovering from the back injury, missed the first 6 games or so, then came back and played awful for the first month back then much better for the last couple. He has missed a lot of games with major injuries and illness (cancer) but he doesn't seem to miss much because of minor injuries. Right now he is the Pacers only healthy starter. Defensively he's not s good as he should be given his athletic and physical gifts. He's a complicated player to describe, at times you will think he's great like last night and then other times you will wonder why he isn't better. Strange player but I like him more than most here.

Yeah he really is one of the oddest offensive players I've ever seen a bunch of. He has some unique skills and some of those he is elite at. But he also has some issues that detract from those skills. He has a great stop and go game to break down defenses. But he's an iffy dribbler, so he can't utilize it as well as you'd like. He's elite at getting to his spot and going straight up for a shot. But his form is wonky and never seems to be fully consistent.

If he would accept a 6th man role, he could be a positive player for the right team.