Shams: Pacers Moving toward Rebuild; Receptive to Trade Talks

[Scoot McGroot]

In an ESPN article Jamal Collier said his 1 bold prediction is that Myles Turner is traded to the Warriors.

Wiseman and Kuminga for Turner gets by the checker. replacing Kuminga with Moody fails. I don't see another 2 team deal that is legal. it might take a third team wanting Wiseman to work for us.

I would say hat Wiseman and Kuminga would be an overpay for GSW by a bit. Kuminga alone might be an overpay at this point.

[Tom White]

I would say hat Wiseman and Kuminga would be an overpay for GSW by a bit. Kuminga alone might be an overpay at this point.

Isn't Wiseman the guy that only played like three games in college? Combine that with his injury, and if GSW are wanting to make a run, maybe they would prefer to cut ties with him and his salary?

[Scoot McGroot]

I would say hat Wiseman and Kuminga would be an overpay for GSW by a bit. Kuminga alone might be an overpay at this point.

Isn't Wiseman the guy that only played like three games in college? Combine that with his injury, and if GSW are wanting to make a run, maybe they would prefer to cut ties with him and his salary?

He was also a top recruit in the country coming out of high school, and is a very talented player. If hey want to just dump him, I’d be surprised. He should have value, at probably a mid to late lotto 1st and I doubt they’d give that away for little to nothing.

[Pacers Forever]

In an ESPN article Jamal Collier said his 1 bold prediction is that Myles Turner is traded to the Warriors.

Wiseman and Kuminga for Turner gets by the checker. replacing Kuminga with Moody fails. I don't see another 2 team deal that is legal. it might take a third team wanting Wiseman to work for us.

Thanks for checking. I’m not interested in Wiseman, but would love to get Kuminga and Moody plus a first round draft pick which with their record won’t be very good capital but whatever makes it work.

[basketballwacko2]

Isn't Wiseman the guy that only played like three games in college? Combine that with his injury, and if GSW are wanting to make a run, maybe they would prefer to cut ties with him and his salary?

Yeah Wiseman tore his meniscus cartilage last year and was supposed to be coming back around december some time, but they said he had a set back and needed more Orthoscopic surgery on the Knee. Now it's Feb 22 and no sign of him coming back. I've had some W's fans tell me they think he's a flop. Physically unable to play. Now he is only 20 years old so they could afford to sit on him for another year. If we got him and Kuminga for Turner I can't see Wiseman ever playing for us and likely dealt if he gets healthy enough to play.

[boomershadow]

I have this horrible, horrible feeling we aren't going to do anything.

There's no rush. This season is toast.

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Not toast enough. This team will win their way to the 10th pick or so. We have the easiest remaining schedule left in the NBA, and once Sabonis ect are healthy, we will win enough to get right out of the way for a top pick.

I am getting worried about staying the course too. I would almost rather make a trade that we clearly lose value on than make no trade at all just to make sure to start the rebuild. This team has just been dead set on a core that hasn't been working for several years now. Gotta start moving in a new direction. I'm on board with trading anyone and everyone.

Trade for starting quality forwards. Play the young centers. Get a real point guard. Re-sign Lance. Only bring back Warren if it's really cheap and he'll come off the bench.

[Scoot McGroot]

There's no rush. This season is toast.

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Not toast enough. This team will win their way to the 10th pick or so. We have the easiest remaining schedule left in the NBA, and once Sabonis ect are healthy, we will win enough to get right out of the way for a top pick.

I am getting worried about staying the course too. I would almost rather make a trade that we clearly lose value on than make no trade at all just to make sure to start the rebuild. This team has just been dead set on a core that hasn't been working for several years now. Gotta start moving in a new direction. I'm on board with trading anyone and everyone.

Trade for starting quality forwards. Play the young centers. Get a real point guard. Re-sign Lance. Only bring back Warren if it's really cheap and he'll come off the bench.

Oh, I’d rather wait until the draft than get over amped and hurt the team even further. Sure, pick a direction, but don’t have it dictated for you. If you make a bad deal now just to make a deal, you’re probably looking at now not pulling a process like. Tank, but having to run a Murphy and Dunleavy type era just to keep from hitting the pits.

I’m all for moves. But it takes two. And I wouldn’t make bad deals just to make a deal at any cost right now.

[boomershadow]

Okay so I wouldn't actually make a bad move on purpose just for the hell of it. That was more of a joke about how dead set the Pacers are on this core and anything to get them moving beyond it would be a good thing.

Still, neither Turner's or Sabonis's trade values are really on the rise playing for a lottery team and with Turner coming up on the last year of his deal. It is likely at highest it will be right now. And the opportunity cost for waiting is not seeing the young bigs in real game situations. It may be that there is literally no trade out there at all,, but if there is a deal that would bring back at least some value and get the ball rolling and moving into the future, I think the Pacers should do it even if it isn't perfect.

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[Scoot McGroot]

To me, if it's Rubio as filler, if we could get both the Houston and the SA 2nds this year, I'd probably pull the trigger. If we could get the 1st, I'd do it asap. If we could get the 1st and one of the 2 early 2nds (or both) I'd be pretty ecstatic.

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Couldn't hurt his value that he put up 42 yesterday.

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[Tom White]

Couldn't hurt his value that he put up 42 yesterday.

I still say he was "auditioning". Perhaps even with a bit of help from the Pacers.

[basketballwacko2]

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Couldn't hurt his value that he put up 42 yesterday.

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Now is the time to trade LeVert! If the Pacers can get a 2022 #1 or the 2 early 2nds and Rubio I say do it. IF they can get Sexton also and add in Lamb we'd likely have to take Davis and cut someone because the roster is full, I'd do that to get Sexton's rights. They could buy out Rubio or Ed Davis and bring back the guy they cut.

**The need to put Terry Taylor on a 2 way deal and get him signed over the summer!!

[Scoot McGroot]

Terry Taylor is on a 2 way deal.

[Topofthekey]

I just have to say one more time, Pacers did a fantastic job with this draft class

I was just rewatching some draft workout videos on the Pacers YouTube channel and there is a video of them interviewing Terry Taylor

In it, he spoke about how he thought his workout went well, and when asked to describe his game, he said he rebounds well, he could guard 3 to 5, and he could help weak side shot blocking. When asked again later which skill of his does he think best translate to the next level (NBA), he again mentioned rebounding

Damn, it was no fluke he that turned out to be our 6' 5" center when all our other big men became unavailable. Pacers did their homework and already knew what they have in Terry Taylor

Honestly I'm impressed

No way the Pacers organisation that drafted Leaf ahead of Collins and Anunoby is also the same one that suddenly did such miracle work this time around

I think Carlisle must be the main driver behind this

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[Wizop]

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Holiday could be in play. Also Rubio's expiring would let Lamb be moved without screwing up signing Warren

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[Scoot McGroot]

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Holiday could be in play. Also Rubio's expiring would let Lamb be moved without screwing up signing Warren

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Oh, yeah. There's an awful lot in play that could happen based on whatever presents itself. I think we'll know by the day after the trade deadline if there's any hope to keep Rubio in town next year (if he's also not re-traded as salary filler before the deadline) based on whether or not we go to waive him or buy him out. If we keep him on the books, there's definitely a chance that we might try and use his Bird Rights to sign for something just over the MLE?

Right now, with where the draft picks slot out, we could technically end up around $15m under the salary cap, disregarding TJ Warren's cap hold and renouncing the MLE/BAE and McDermott TPE. If we made a move like Turner for Davion Mitchell and expiring, then we could clearly get WELL under.

[Wizop]

Summer cap could depend on Warren. Will he play this year and earn the bump we expected or not???

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[Scoot McGroot]

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