2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[bumbleboy]

Yeah people like to throw around FRP in trades but having players on rookie contracts is a key part of good cap management

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

and what is this team's timeline?

if you are arguing that way, why not say the same about Barnes?

If you nail that pick, you can have a player play at a high level by year 3 and a solid rotational player by year 2.

And you get that player at only a couple million per year for several years.

And why do we need a big anyway? I would rather draft a wing or guard.

Ujiri drafted Delon, Flynn, Bruno, Siakam, Anunoby.

Poeltl is a safe bet but he also has a lower ceiling and his contract runs out in 2023. Possibly 1.5 years of Poeltl who can't be relied on in crunch time or in the playoffs vs 4-5 years of a cost controlled rookie. I'll take my chances there in the draft and hope Ujiri finds the next Anunoby/Siakam.

The three players on the Raptors who are all-stars/near all-star are 27, 27 and 24 years of age. This team isn't being built to Barnes currently. It is being built to compete whilst these players are in their prime. These players, to answer your question, determine this team's timeline.

Getting Barnes was a one-time bonus. One can hope that you draft a DeRozan who is happy to play in Canada. But most NBA players don't want to be here unless the team is a proven winner. You have three winning players in their prime on contracts (so long as they don't exercise player options and exit) who are happy to be here and Achiuwa who can give you 20+ min.

Also you need a big for matchups. Having a player who can supply 20+ quality starting minutes is not nothing. That's much more than many-most 1sts ever produce. Poeltl wasn't included in the DeRozan deal as a throw in. And one can improve one's free-throw shooting. Unless you are Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan could not improve his free-throw shooting.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

and what is this team's timeline?

if you are arguing that way, why not say the same about Barnes?

If you nail that pick, you can have a player play at a high level by year 3 and a solid rotational player by year 2.

And you get that player at only a couple million per year for several years.

And why do we need a big anyway? I would rather draft a wing or guard.

Ujiri drafted Delon, Flynn, Bruno, Siakam, Anunoby.

Poeltl is a safe bet but he also has a lower ceiling and his contract runs out in 2023. Possibly 1.5 years of Poeltl who can't be relied on in crunch time or in the playoffs vs 4-5 years of a cost controlled rookie. I'll take my chances there in the draft and hope Ujiri finds the next Anunoby/Siakam.

The three players on the Raptors who are all-stars/near all-star are 27, 27 and 24 years of age. This team isn't being built to Barnes currently. It is being built to compete whilst these players are in their prime. These players, to answer your question, determine this team's timeline.

Getting Barnes was a one-time bonus. One can hope that you draft a DeRozan who is happy to play in Canada. But most NBA players don't want to be here unless the team is a proven winner. You have three winning players in their prime on contracts (so long as they don't exercise player options and exit) who are happy to be here and Achiuwa who can give you 20+ min.

Also you need a big for matchups. Having a player who can supply 20+ quality starting minutes is not nothing. That's much more than many-most 1sts ever produce. Poeltl wasn't included in the DeRozan deal as a throw in. And one can improve one's free-throw shooting. Unless you are Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan could not improve his free-throw shooting.

You can compete and develop simultaneously. They’re not mutually exclusive. Kinda why Barnes Precious get significant minutes despite their mistakes. Because we are still developing we need our FRP and Poeltl would cut into precious minutes.

[Ell Curry]

Josh Hart seems like the sort of player Nick Nurse would fall in love with as well. Great two-way player with ball handling abilities and decent shooting. Great Glue guy.

Only 26yrs old so he fits our core group of guys age-wise.

I think this is possible:

Dragic, Boucher and a protected 1st
FOR
Hart, Temple, Jaxson Hayes, #53 in this draft

keeps us under the cap and if the Pels let Boucher walk AND should give them about 20M in cap space so they can try to sign Brunson to be a real PG or something. But they might be able to just get Brunson for Hart by taking on Powell, which saves the Mavs probably like 15-20M next year and Hart is an interesting fit with Luka and Porzingis.

We lose Boucher and the non-tax MLE but maybe Hayes works out, or we move him and Temple's expiring, maybe with Birch, for someone at next year's deadline.

He's about the worst, oldest player I could see us still moving a first for, especially if we like Hayes. Or maybe a 3 way with Hayes going to a team that wants him and we get an expiring and then can use most of the 10M MLE since we'd probably still have about 7M or so under the luxury tax. If we can move Temple for a useless player making 2-3M we can use the whole thing.

[Van_Trump]

I liked the summary of each team on this article. Includes history of the GMs and recent transactions during the season.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33034686/2022-nba-trade-deadline-watch-potential-deals-all-30-teams

[Asif16]

Raptors get Hart+Hayes

Blazers get Satoransky+Dragic+TOR22FRP

Pelicans get CJ

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Raptors get Hart+Hayes

Blazers get Satoransky+Dragic+TOR22FRP

Pelicans get CJ

So the pels get the best player and we give up the pick?

[Backcountry]

Watching the Purdue/Michigan game. Jaden Ivey is going to be a really good nba player, very strong and explosive. Houstan hasn't been very noticeable for Michigan.

But I really like Trevion Williams. Six-ten, 265 lbs, smart, great passer. Not a threat from 3 yet. Good rebounder.

The nbadraftroom mock draft has the Raptors picking John Butler from Florida State at a projected #17. But there are a few Raptors type players in the first round. I still like Nzosa as a prospect. If we really think we need a big, these guys are the type of big we should go after. Mobile and athletic. And in the draft, not at the deadline, where we should be going after a bench shooter with defensive chops.

[tecumseh18]

I liked the summary of each team on this article. Includes history of the GMs and recent transactions during the season.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33034686/2022-nba-trade-deadline-watch-potential-deals-all-30-teams

It seems a bit dated (Raptors are described as "team that is .500"). The two trades we're mentioned in are:

Trade we would like to see: Dragic and a 2023 second to New Orleans for Garrett Temple and Tomas Satoransky.

Meh.

Trade we would like to see: Caris LeVert to Toronto for Goran Dragic and a 2022 lottery-protected first.

Hmm. Pacers are said to want two picks for LeVert (and for Turner), but will probably settle for one. But now Cavs are the mix for his services, so the price may go up.

[Madhouse]

Mid-round firsts don't fall into this team's timeline. Getting someone who can play 20+ minutes at a high-level does. I understand that subscribers to this board have, historically, been infatuated with potential. But players like Poeltl, who are still low-mileage and proven are easily worth a first. He was[i] a lottery-pick not that long ago! And has spent the last couple of years working with Tim Duncan. There is no big coming out of this draft in the middle of the first, I'd argue, that is going to contribute meaningful minutes in the next couple of years. And the inclusion of Birch (or Boucher) mitigates against any cap issues going forward.

and what is this team's timeline?

if you are arguing that way, why not say the same about Barnes?

If you nail that pick, you can have a player play at a high level by year 3 and a solid rotational player by year 2.

And you get that player at only a couple million per year for several years.

And why do we need a big anyway? I would rather draft a wing or guard.

Ujiri drafted Delon, Flynn, Bruno, Siakam, Anunoby.

Poeltl is a safe bet but he also has a lower ceiling and his contract runs out in 2023. Possibly 1.5 years of Poeltl who can't be relied on in crunch time or in the playoffs vs 4-5 years of a cost controlled rookie. I'll take my chances there in the draft and hope Ujiri finds the next Anunoby/Siakam.

The three players on the Raptors who are all-stars/near all-star are 27, 27 and 24 years of age. This team isn't being built to Barnes currently. It is being built to compete whilst these players are in their prime. These players, to answer your question, determine this team's timeline.

Getting Barnes was a one-time bonus. One can hope that you draft a DeRozan who is happy to play in Canada. But most NBA players don't want to be here unless the team is a proven winner. You have three winning players in their prime on contracts (so long as they don't exercise player options and exit) who are happy to be here and Achiuwa who can give you 20+ min.

Also you need a big for matchups. Having a player who can supply 20+ quality starting minutes is not nothing. That's much more than many-most 1sts ever produce. Poeltl wasn't included in the DeRozan deal as a throw in. And one can improve one's free-throw shooting. Unless you are Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan could not improve his free-throw shooting.

The way Masai is handling things, it does not look like the time to compete is only now, he is building for the future as well and sees the Raptors competing for many years.

The Raptors tanked because they deemed it as necessary to add premium talent. It wasn't a bonus.

The same core was there last year.

He did not believe the core was talented enough, so Toronto tanked for a top draft pick. None of it happened by accident.

Are they talented enough now and is Poeltl moving the needle enough to risk losing him in 2023 again? I doubt it.

[Ell Curry]

Richaun Holmes deal was too long for us.

But if we can move Birch out in the deal then it's only one extra year at the same spot. Something like this and we can even use the non-tax MLE on a guard AND keep Boucher for say 20M over 2 years:

Birch, Flynn, Raptors 1st rounder this year (let's say lotto protected, but it's #19 at the moment)

for

Holmes, #35

Kings move up 16 picks, Raptors get a center and with Birch and Flynn gone (and moving down 16 picks) I have us at 35 under the tax, so Holmes at 11.2, Boucher for the same and 10.1M on the non-tax MLE and we're still under the luxury tax next year.

Hurts to move down 16 picks though, considering Masai has had 5 in the 20s and they've brought us Siakam, OG, Bruno, Flynn and Delon Wright, which is 1 all-star, one maybe eventual all-star and a solid player in Wright along with a failed pick in Bruno and whatever bench type Flynn should become in time.

[MavCarter]

Haven't really done any research on this years draft class, how deep is it? Imo the only way we get anything of value this deadline is if we attach a first

[douggood]

Haven't really done any research on this years draft class, how deep is it? Imo the only way we get anything of value this deadline is if we attach a first

jonathan waserman on a podcast said there is more depth late lottery in this years draft compared to last year.

[mihaic]

Gtj, picks, Dragic for Harden if he re-signs with us. Go big or stay put.

[Kingsway_fan]

Gtj, picks, Dragic for Harden if he re-signs with us. Go big or stay put.

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[PhilBlackson]

Hell no to a FRP for mediocre Hart...the only Pel (other than Ingram ofc) that I'd give up a 1st for is NAW.

[Psubs]

Watching the Purdue/Michigan game. Jaden Ivey is going to be a really good nba player, very strong and explosive. Houstan hasn't been very noticeable for Michigan.

But I really like Trevion Williams. Six-ten, 265 lbs, smart, great passer. Not a threat from 3 yet. Good rebounder.

The nbadraftroom mock draft has the Raptors picking John Butler from Florida State at a projected #17. But there are a few Raptors type players in the first round. I still like Nzosa as a prospect. If we really think we need a big, these guys are the type of big we should go after. Mobile and athletic. And in the draft, not at the deadline, where we should be going after a bench shooter with defensive chops.

I was looking at Trevion Williams but he didn't seem mobile enough.

[Psubs]

Hell no to a FRP for mediocre Hart...the only Pel (other than Ingram ofc) that I'd give up a 1st for is NAW.

NAW is having a down year so New Orleans should trade him for any 1st pick if they can. Especially with the emergence of Herbert Jones.

What about NAW and Willy Hernangomez for 2022 1st pick and Chris Boucher?

[HangTime]

I wonder what the ask would be for Alexander-Walker and Tillman Sr.

[MavCarter]

After seeing LAC get Norm & RoCo for Keon + 2nd....don't tell me we couldn't get Bamba + Harris for a 1st + Flynn + Goran.

The blazers were desperate to get under the tax. Them making a dumb trade doesn't set the entire trade market lol

[Saul Goodman]

would you do Goran Dragic and a 2026 2nd for Gary harris? Harris is averaging 12 points on good %s. he can slot in around everyone in the lineup.