Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread

[TheNetsFan]

Dinwiddie and LeVert both been all star runners up. Allen definitely should've been an all star.

Dinwiddie was not in the Harden trade.

He was the reason we couldn't afford him. I don't count fill in pieces like prince.

You're making a big assumption. LeVert, Allen and Dinwiddie are making a combined $55mil. There's no guarantee we would have kept all 3. I'm not sure I would want Dinwiddie at about $18mil per, especially coming off a major injury.

[3pt_chucker]

When the going gets tough, true colors come the fore.

As much as I blame Kyrie as the catalyst for this current situation, Harden's play and attitude this season has been unacceptable. He showed up out of shape and has had horrendous effort for most of the games. Total mirror opposite to KD, who literally said he's willing to die on the floor. Yes, he can be frustrated by KAI but that should not affect his own personal play. Heck look at vets like Patty who has stepped up and not complained even though this is probably not the role he signed up for. It should not be too much to ask that you perform like a professional and take care of your body and try. He's not LBJ level where he can LeCoast and still dominate.

Nets fans always respond to effort. There is a reason why the crowd is much louder for when the team makes runs with James off the floor. The lack of effort is palpable and easy to spot. While Simmons(or whoever) is a downgrade talent wise from Harden, I at least know Ben will try and will surely be super motivated. That's an upgrade IMO.

I've been saying Harden should be on trade watch since about a month into the season and it seems like it's pretty mutual that the Nets don't love his current play and an extension looks like an abomination waiting to happen. If the team can recoup ~ 60-70% of the original trade for JH, I'd be happy.

He's probably going to look amazing when traded to Philly which will suck to see but not sure he can sustain it unless he makes radical changes to how he takes care of himself(won't hold my breath).

[GTR11]

Dinwiddie was not in the Harden trade.

He was the reason we couldn't afford him. I don't count fill in pieces like prince.

You're making a big assumption. LeVert, Allen and Dinwiddie are making a combined $55mil. There's no guarantee we would have kept all 3. I'm not sure I would want Dinwiddie at about $18mil per, especially coming off a major injury.

Oh I'm pretty sure all three of them would've been here guaranteed. +/- 5-7m wouldn't make much difference here, 20-30 in penalties Tsai would've ate that.

[Paradise]

This just makes me depressed man. We were so **** ing good last year when all 3 were together. Harden was literally an MVP candidate, Kyrie had a 50/40/90 season, and Durant was the best player in the league come playoff time.

Injuries and Kyrie screwed us over.

Kyrie has nothing to do with Harden acting like a little bitch. He could’ve god forbid torn his ACL and this would’ve still been how this team looks with Harden. He’s showing all of the reasons people were sour on his exit with Houston. The 4 point game against the Kings was a DISGRACE. I’ve never seen a passive performance like that in a very long time.

He’s gotten so many opportunities to be himself, score 30-40-50-60 or take 30 shots but he wanted a free ride to relax as a member of the Big 3 and Nets. He came here out of shape and resulted into hamstring injuries derailing our championship run.

He is the ONLY member of the big 3 not to register one 40 point or 50 point home game in his entire tenure so far. Kyrie has virtually outplayed him even in all road games on both ends often and he’s only played so far in 10 games.

KD’s comments on the season and his injury during the KD podcast this week also shows a massive disconnect in desires. He clearly is far more invested here than Harden.

There’s really no excuse for Kyrie’s decision to affect Harden’s effort, desire and want to win when it hasn’t affected KD or the rest of the roster. It’s strictly on Harden being a diva and who he is.

Oh save that crap with Kyrie to yourself. He is THE F*** REASON this dumpsterfire is happening. From moment He came here s*** was happening, if you choose to close your eyes on it...cool but don't lie about it. Narcistic Dunning Kruger sole reason for all this s***.

Yes, Harden wanted a free ride the way KD did with GSW. Dude also 100% no bs taken when it comes to ball game. I'm not mad at him for wanting to leave, can it be done in better way, for sure it should've been handled much better. Other than that true pro.

Posted video in game thread, go listen harsh truth about that toxic waste that hyping anti Vax movement.

LBJ should've forced PG13 trade from the door. Instead of getting one ring, they could've had dynasty there in Cleveland.

You can be a man about this or be emotional. Choice is yours. Nothing you said makes rational sense. Kyrie is currently out there WITH Harden and he still can’t show up offensively when it matters. He looks like the second best player on the court even when Kyrie plays on the road only.

What does Kyrie have to do with his lack of aggressiveness, assertiveness offensively for a whole year as a Net?

He first blamed it on his hamstring and getting no offseason workouts, he ended up with COVID and now wants to be frustrated because OTHERS are injured?
I saw the report about how he’s disappointed about Joe Harris but how does that excuse interest in a divisional rival. You think that **** is cool?

He’s not the only star player who has to endure Kyrie as a part time player but he’s the first one with his foot out the door. Smells real corny to me.

I’m sure KD also re-signed expecting him to do the same but he’s clearly the one one without a ring and jumping off the team with KD injured, Joe injured, LaMarcus injured. Kyrie is anti vaxx or not still didn’t play as pathetically as Harden did against Minnesota or Sacramento.

Trying to make this a Kyrie problem is really asinine. This guy has made it clearly known since last year that this wasn’t a long term relationship. Both him and Kyrie are free agents and only one has shown more effort to be a Net long term regardless.

He simply could’ve re-signed an extension and talked to KD, ownership into moving Kyrie on but it seems he has his own motives that goes past that. The rumor is he simply doesn’t like being the second fiddle to even KD or Kyrie…even though he asked to be the point guard and has been given ample chances to be the “man” against the worst defenses he could ask for. Good luck in Philly, he will be destroyed doing this bull there.

Keep in mind, this man is eligible to sign the largest contract in NBA HISTORY! He’s got the best player in the world who is a world champion and MVP favorite when healthy by his side and he’s still unhappy. Wtf else do you need?

[GTR11]

Kyrie has nothing to do with Harden acting like a little bitch. He could’ve god forbid torn his ACL and this would’ve still been how this team looks with Harden. He’s showing all of the reasons people were sour on his exit with Houston. The 4 point game against the Kings was a DISGRACE. I’ve never seen a passive performance like that in a very long time.

He’s gotten so many opportunities to be himself, score 30-40-50-60 or take 30 shots but he wanted a free ride to relax as a member of the Big 3 and Nets. He came here out of shape and resulted into hamstring injuries derailing our championship run.

He is the ONLY member of the big 3 not to register one 40 point or 50 point home game in his entire tenure so far. Kyrie has virtually outplayed him even in all road games on both ends often and he’s only played so far in 10 games.

KD’s comments on the season and his injury during the KD podcast this week also shows a massive disconnect in desires. He clearly is far more invested here than Harden.

There’s really no excuse for Kyrie’s decision to affect Harden’s effort, desire and want to win when it hasn’t affected KD or the rest of the roster. It’s strictly on Harden being a diva and who he is.

Oh save that crap with Kyrie to yourself. He is THE F*** REASON this dumpsterfire is happening. From moment He came here s*** was happening, if you choose to close your eyes on it...cool but don't lie about it. Narcistic Dunning Kruger sole reason for all this s***.

Yes, Harden wanted a free ride the way KD did with GSW. Dude also 100% no bs taken when it comes to ball game. I'm not mad at him for wanting to leave, can it be done in better way, for sure it should've been handled much better. Other than that true pro.

Posted video in game thread, go listen harsh truth about that toxic waste that hyping anti Vax movement.

LBJ should've forced PG13 trade from the door. Instead of getting one ring, they could've had dynasty there in Cleveland.

You can be a man about this or be emotional. Choice is yours. Nothing you said makes rational sense. Kyrie is currently out there WITH Harden and he still can’t show up offensively when it matters. He looks like the second best player on the court even when Kyrie plays on the road only.

What does Kyrie have to do with his lack of aggressiveness, assertiveness offensively for a whole year as a Net?

He first blamed it on his hamstring and getting no offseason workouts, he ended up with COVID and now wants to be frustrated because OTHERS are injured?
I saw the report about how he’s disappointed about Joe Harris but how does that excuse interest in a divisional rival. You think that **** is cool?

He’s not the only star player who has to endure Kyrie as a part time player but he’s the first one with his foot out the door. Smells real corny to me.

I’m sure KD also re-signed expecting him to do the same but he’s clearly the one one without a ring and jumping off the team with KD injured, Joe injured, LaMarcus injured. Kyrie is anti vaxx or not still didn’t play as pathetically as Harden did against Minnesota or Sacramento.

Trying to make this a Kyrie problem is really asinine. This guy has made it clearly known since last year that this wasn’t a long term relationship. Both him and Kyrie are free agents and only one has shown more effort to be a Net long term regardless.

He simply could’ve re-signed an extension and talked to KD, ownership into moving Kyrie on but it seems he has his own motives that goes past that. The rumor is he simply doesn’t like being the second fiddle to even KD or Kyrie…even though he asked to be the point guard and has been given ample chances to be the “man” against the worst defenses he could ask for. Good luck in Philly, he will be destroyed doing this bull there.

Keep in mind, this man is eligible to sign the largest contract in NBA HISTORY! He’s got the best player in the world who is a world champion and MVP favorite when healthy by his side and he’s still unhappy. Wtf else do you need?

It makes more than enough sense. You need to wake up or take them colored glasses you wearing. I'm not sure how much more evidence you need.

To be frank, if I was Harden I wouldn't report until traded or Kyrie and D'Antoni here giving us their 100%.

[Jay555]

This just makes me depressed man. We were so **** ing good last year when all 3 were together. Harden was literally an MVP candidate, Kyrie had a 50/40/90 season, and Durant was the best player in the league come playoff time.

Injuries and Kyrie screwed us over.

He’s gotten so many opportunities to be himself, score 30-40-50-60 or take 30 shots but he wanted a free ride to relax as a member of the Big 3 and Nets. He came here out of shape and resulted into hamstring injuries derailing our championship run.

He came in here out of shape and yet brought home two player of the month in a row and dragged the franchise out of mud. What was the record before he came? 9-8 or something? The hammy injury was because Nash run him into the ground. Dude logged heavy mins when KD was injured and Kyrie pulled his sick/personal leave here and there.Can you believe he played the most games out of the big 3?

He is the ONLY member of the big 3 not to register one 40 point or 50 point home game in his entire tenure so far. Kyrie has virtually outplayed him even in all road games on both ends often and he’s only played so far in 10 games.

So scoring more points means a player is better in your mind. I donot need to argue no more because you donot understand basketball. Firstly, Hardens job since he got here is not to score but to facilitate. It does not mean he can’t score. I like how another member here commented the other day “ Kyrie is a floor raiser and Harden is a ceiling raiser”. Kyrie can score beautifully but doesnot really raise the ceiling. Without Lebron, where was he? Dude could not carry the Cavs to a single playoff appearance.

Now for some of you who donot get why Harden is frustrated. Put yourself in Hardens shoes. He thought he was coming here to be carried by two other superstars lol and championship would be a walk in the park. Instead, two years in a row, KD was out injured and Kyrie plays half of the games. Kyrie only has 11 games left to play for this season. Can you believe that? While his teammates are trying to win as many games as they can. Any professional athletes who are committed to winning would not put up with the part time crap. Then you have a rookie coach who has no idea how to coach and still plays you 38 mins a night sometimes 40 mins despite you are playing through some hand injuries, coming off a hammy injuries from last season.

I know he should not have thrown a game to show his frustration but maybe what he did was not working so he had to do it just like he did when he gave Houston the ultimatum. He probably is just frustrated and wanted changes. How about a coaching change? How about getting some help by trading? How about resting him on a back to back?

[MrDollarBills]

Harden played on one leg for this team in the playoffs and we have people on here trashing him in defense of a dude who plays part time.

Harden was literally headed towards MVP status last season while we were questioning if Kyrie even cared about playing basketball, but sure go off with all this revisionist history crap

[Claud]

If we can squeeze out Simmons + One of Maxey/Thybulle + pick(s) we should pull the trigger.

Harden ball does not fit the way KD/Kyrie/Rest of the roster wants to play.

He slows down our offense so much + pounds the ball for 22 seconds, not to mention a turnover machine, bad defense, poor effort, gave up on his team, etc.

Simmons is not even close to Harden in terms of talent, but he might be a better fit for our run&gun style that maximizes our roster.

Not to mention do we really want to pay Harden 50m until he's 38-39?

Kyrie has a LOT of blame on his hands, but people who choose to ignore Harden's part of this mess are being blind.

Any GM would have made that trade, but it's been a failure due to injuries + bad luck.

We'll always have a chance to win it all with KD + other good pieces so I would not hesitate to make this move.

Harden is not MVP level player anymore and we should not invest in him as such.

[jirrit]

Can we all sit down together and finally agree Kyrie is a guarantee for drama wherever he goes? I’ve always defended his basketball skills, they’re there and they’re top 10-ish if seen in a vaccuum but he doesnt make his team better. Not basketball wise and not off the floor. Offcourse theyre not throwing him under the bus, it’s Kyrie Irving, he’s still -despite his extreme diva-ness and weird thoughts & actions - a very very popular name in basketball and in the world so which player is gonna come out and call him out?

Offcourse Harden is disappointed in the situation and this has 100% partly due to Kyrie living in Kyrie’s world. And that’s just a world with other morals and other paranoid paths than the ‘normal’ world. As a fan you offcourse defend him at first, we’ve all been there but in the end you just gotta throw away your coloured glasses and call it how it is.

[Evalar]

I think things have been festering in that dressing room for a while sadly I can totally understand why Harden would want to leave. Harden doesn't have the time to waste on Kyrie's choices or Nash's learning on the job he wants a ring. Its childish to try and act as if he hasn't tried for us when he played injured last season to try and help KD and while struggling this season still went out and played because we had no Kyrie I imagine there were times he wished he had the luxury of easing himself back into the team after his injury but that wasn't an option. I bet his jaw hits the floor when he hears Kyrie talking about continuity and it all being about the team. Kyrie is my favourite player but lets be honest he isn't fully commited and the idea of ripping it up and starting again is getting more appealing to me. I'm so grateful that we've got KD maybe we should try and build a more even team around him.

[HardenGoat]

Harden played on one leg for this team in the playoffs and we have people on here trashing him in defense of a dude who plays part time.

Harden was literally headed towards MVP status last season while we were questioning if Kyrie even cared about playing basketball, but sure go off with all this revisionist history crap

I think some of that is the toxicity that is exactly what has been swirling around. There are Harden haters ready to jump off the rafters even if we win a chip that are going to say this “riding the coattails” crap. Even if he carried the load left by Kyrie this year. He has been branded a choker even playing hurt. To equate someone not playing due to a serious injury with what Kyrie chose is crazy. The injured guy went down fighting. Kyrie is tweeting messages of happiness and self awareness while he sits at home fully capable of helping his team. That is toxic. I don’t care who you are as a player but when you sign up and winning a chip is your sole mission in life and you hear one of your “leaders” say this and not join you it kills moral. Everyone is affected. Why was the team all convinced he was getting vaccinated? Did he lie? If so what does that do regarding trust? If he said he was getting vaccinated and was going to be on the team then that is the person that has to take the first step. The team is still waiting.

[MrDollarBills]

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Does this include asking Mr. Part Time to become a full time player? Otherwise KD is full of **** too

[Pablo Escobar]

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Does this include asking Mr. Part Time to become a full time player? Otherwise KD is full of **** too

Slight shot @ flat earther? possibly. But he'll never be direct with him cause he fears him for some odd reason even though he's older than him and the superior player might I add.

[NetsWorld]

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Does this include asking Mr. Part Time to become a full time player? Otherwise KD is full of **** too

Slight shot @ flat earther? possibly. But he'll never be direct with him cause he fears him for some odd reason even though he's older than him and the superior player might I add.

You don’t know what KD said exactly behind the scenes. Woj has to put it nicely; the media would have a field day if they know KD bashed Kyrie blatantly. Woj ain’t stupid and KD knows Kyrie is a headcase and it probably sick of him too.

[Prokorov]

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Does this include asking Mr. Part Time to become a full time player? Otherwise KD is full of **** too

He isnt talking about Kyrie.

Over the weekend everything coming out sounds like the role guys/rest of the team arent giving their all. Woj and Fischer both mentioned things about that yesterday. Harden seems frustrated but after digging in, Fisher said its not Kyrie, since he "has been playing hard"

Kyrie's situation "[For Harden] it hasn’t been as much of a problem as one would expect" since he has played hard when available.

Then KDs comments about commitment. I doubt its Kyrie since last week KD said that having Kyrie back is big and it reenergizes the team. An when Eddie asked him about Kyrie being in game shape he said

he's been working out, yo.. you know Kobe was his mentor so thats the work he bring with him

I mean Milsap, Brown... those guys had inconsistent roles. Bembry has been jerked back and forth. Sharpe/Claxton/Blake in and out of the rotation. Duke starting to being DNP-CD. It is a chicken and egg thing but those guys arent bringing it like they did when COVID forced them into clear role with minutes they can count on.

The roster decisions and guys play seem to be at the crux of Harden/KD's current frustration. I'm not saying thats all it is but it certainly is part of the problem.

Nash isnt going anywhere.
Kyrie isnt going anywhere and will be part time for a bit longer.

We need to find solutions outside that reality. if these guys arent committed then for both their sake and ours marks needs to find them a new home. We already knew that both Milsap and Blake where unhappy with their roles. I'm sure Brown is the same. Brown/Blake where playing big minutes in the playoffs and watched their jobs go the the likes of Duke Jr. and Johnson and Sharpe.

Bembry id have to think has some frustrations too, given how well he has played and how inconsistent his role has been.

Marks needs to make a move. whether it the a coach, a blockbuster trade or just reshuffling role guys via trade. waiting 2 more weeks for a buyout wont cut it.

Good news is. the big 3 seem to want to stay together and be here. the rest are all very disposable.

[Prokorov]

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Does this include asking Mr. Part Time to become a full time player? Otherwise KD is full of **** too

Slight shot @ flat earther? possibly. But he'll never be direct with him cause he fears him for some odd reason even though he's older than him and the superior player might I add.

You don’t know what KD said exactly behind the scenes. Woj has to put it nicely; the media would have a field day if they know KD bashed Kyrie blatantly. Woj ain’t stupid and KD knows Kyrie is a headcase and it probably sick of him too.

Actually, we do know what KD says behind the scenes because they wrote a book about it last year. We also know straight from KD what he thinks, since he is putting out weekly podcasts on his own network, SPECIFICALLY for the reason he doesnt want his message twisted.

There are alot of i dont knows and what ifs. KD has spoken specifically, through his own outlet, about Kyrie being out/part time and its clear he has no issue with it

[Prokorov]

Harden played on one leg for this team in the playoffs and we have people on here trashing him in defense of a dude who plays part time.

Harden was literally headed towards MVP status last season while we were questioning if Kyrie even cared about playing basketball, but sure go off with all this revisionist history crap

I think some of that is the toxicity that is exactly what has been swirling around. There are Harden haters ready to jump off the rafters even if we win a chip that are going to say this “riding the coattails” crap. Even if he carried the load left by Kyrie this year. He has been branded a choker even playing hurt. To equate someone not playing due to a serious injury with what Kyrie chose is crazy. The injured guy went down fighting. Kyrie is tweeting messages of happiness and self awareness while he sits at home fully capable of helping his team. That is toxic. I don’t care who you are as a player but when you sign up and winning a chip is your sole mission in life and you hear one of your “leaders” say this and not join you it kills moral. Everyone is affected. Why was the team all convinced he was getting vaccinated? Did he lie? If so what does that do regarding trust? If he said he was getting vaccinated and was going to be on the team then that is the person that has to take the first step. The team is still waiting.

People want to tear guys down the second their is adversity. Especially this trio, since they have called out and taken dumps on the media so often. Luckily these guys now have their own voice and their words are not as easily twisted. Still, it is discouraging to see fans buy into the media nonsense.

KD, Harden, Kyrie... all frustrated they have been out/injured and currently losing. But these guys are vets. they know the deal when they are on the court together. And more the anything these dudes are people not basketball robots, as much as they love basketball it will never be as big a deal to them as it is the fans. never.... that said

The idea Harden is tanking is absurd. if he wanted out he would just let marks know. There is no need to act a fool. Marks is going to accomodate stars and players like he always has because thats good business. Harden is clearly slowed by injury and run into the ground. He wants to will it and be out there... to the teams detriment, but he cant because he is slowed and the coach wont rest him.

The idea Kyrie "doesnt care about basketball" or his teammates is also absurd. He feels hancuffed by the situation. he would love the mandate to end so he could be back full time. not getting vaccinated has nothing to do with sacrafic or his teammates. its seperate and unlucky basketball is effected by the mandate. in 47 other states it would be a non issue. Guy is an elite teammate, as atested by his teammates, who are all that matter

The idea KD is some mastermind hardass GM-Player is absurd. KD isnt here giving Kyrie or Marks ultimatums. He has preferences but he respects these guys as men. again if you read the book and listen to the podcast thats clear. KD loves the game, like Kyrie and Harden he strives to be the best version of himself on the court. But he realizes life is bigger the ball. He wants harden to stay but also knows he has his own life. he wants kyrie full time but realizes he has his own life bigger then ball too. KD himself doesnt want anyone telling him how to live life. Thats how these guys became tight in the first place.

Marks needs to stop spinning his wheels and influx this team with energy and bodies who can shoot until we get healthy. he is asleep at the wheel. Fobres was had for nothing. Covington was had for nothing.

[NetsWorld]

Slight shot @ flat earther? possibly. But he'll never be direct with him cause he fears him for some odd reason even though he's older than him and the superior player might I add.

You don’t know what KD said exactly behind the scenes. Woj has to put it nicely; the media would have a field day if they know KD bashed Kyrie blatantly. Woj ain’t stupid and KD knows Kyrie is a headcase and it probably sick of him too.

Actually, we do know what KD says behind the scenes because they wrote a book about it last year. We also know straight from KD what he thinks, since he is putting out weekly podcasts on his own network, SPECIFICALLY for the reason he doesnt want his message twisted.

There are alot of i dont knows and what ifs. KD has spoken specifically, through his own outlet, about Kyrie being out/part time and its clear he has no issue with it

You can believe it if you want but behind the scenes/closed doors is another story. Again, he won’t bash him OPENLY where people can hear/see a podcast or anything the like of. KD saying everyone has to be committed is a nice way of telling Kyrie to get his stuff together. The fact is if it weren’t Covid, it would have been something else. And when Marks had his press conference suggesting confidence in everyone being vaccinated, Kyrie obviously told him and promised him that. Kyrie is the one who lied and kept making management look like fools. The blame lies solely on him. Nash is just an easy target; Hardens body language and behavior makes it obvious Kyrie is the reason he wants out. I can’t wait to see how much time off this guy takes next year when he should be eligible to play home games again. I can’t wait, let’s see what parties he goes to or what kind of rallies while he is absolved of any responsibility for ****.

[Prokorov]

You can believe it if you want but behind the scenes/closed doors is another story. Again, he won’t bash him OPENLY where people can hear/see a podcast or anything the like of.

1) We have behind the scenes. there was a book about it and alot of it is critical. it actually shows alot coutner to your thinking. that KD and Kyrie cme together because they see eye to eye on player empowerment and having a life above basketball

KD saying everyone has to be committed is a nice way of telling Kyrie to get his stuff together.

he is speaking to other guys, not Kyrie.. he goes out of his way to talk about how hard kyrie works and how great it is he is back. again, its his podcast, if he felt otherwise, he could avoid talking about it.... he also has no issues bashing current and former players in his podcast. its common place

you simply have no read on this

[NetsJets]

I don’t think Simmons is even a good fit for this team.