James Bouknight and James Borrego got into it during the game

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[Lockdown504090]

understandable, bouk is in a tough situation. hes really nice like that, but he just cant get the oppourtunity. That might not have anythign to do with this incident directly, but thats really what its all about.

[KembaWalker]

He played the dude for something like 14 seconds to end the third and then pulled him at the start of the 4th. That's just really poor personnel management. Who's gonna feel chipper and happy after posting a full donut statlines cause you go in for one play. When you know coaches and front office will pull those numbers to tell him he isn't doing enough to earn minutes as soon as he tries to complain

Borrego sucks anyway, if injuries didn't force him to change his lineups LaMelo probably would have played behind Graham and Rozier all year last year. seems like injuries are pretty much the only way to move up in his rotation once he's set on it in training camp

[MasterIchiro]

He played the dude for something like 14 seconds to end the third and then pulled him at the start of the 4th. That's just really poor personnel management. Who's gonna feel chipper and happy after posting a full donut statlines cause you go in for one play. When you know coaches and front office will pull those numbers to tell him he isn't doing enough to earn minutes as soon as he tries to complain

Borrego sucks anyway, if injuries didn't force him to change his lineups LaMelo probably would have played behind Graham and Rozier all year last year. seems like injuries are pretty much the only way to move up in his rotation once he's set on it in training camp

Young players are always hungry for more minutes but coaches have observed how veterans set the example and teach winning basketball. The problem is, Hornets have some vets being favored who set a bad example and it looks hypocritical. Kelly Oubre for instance doesn't really have a playmaker's mentality nor does he consistently provide full effort on defense. Borrego said during preseason that our strength and identity is that we play as a team and move the ball, and cautioned that if the ball sticks with one player in this system, that player will stick out like a sore thumb. Right now Oubre and Rozier are taking turns chucking the ball and it's rubbing off on LaMelo. And Miles can't find his three. Then you have the development staff running Bouknight at PG through Summer League, preseason and Gleague in order to enhance his playmaking skills. Bouknight wants to play alongside LaMelo off ball. Borrego wants Bouknight to watch how Ish runs point, while greenlighting Oubre to go rogue and brick threes. Borrego doesn't feel LaMelo and Bouk are ready to share the court together, but to me, the GM shouldn't sit there with his thumb up his ass watching Rozier and Oubre share the court together.

[jg77]

He played the dude for something like 14 seconds to end the third and then pulled him at the start of the 4th. That's just really poor personnel management. Who's gonna feel chipper and happy after posting a full donut statlines cause you go in for one play. When you know coaches and front office will pull those numbers to tell him he isn't doing enough to earn minutes as soon as he tries to complain

Borrego sucks anyway, if injuries didn't force him to change his lineups LaMelo probably would have played behind Graham and Rozier all year last year. seems like injuries are pretty much the only way to move up in his rotation once he's set on it in training camp

I listened to Austin Rivers on Ryen Russillo's podcast and he mentioned that's is much easier being a starter than a role player in the NBA because of the exact reason you stated. It was an interesting listen.

[JujitsuFlip]

Borrego ain't it man. He potentially could finally get his first winning season in year 5 but c'mon.

Too many people on that Pop coaching tree to know who is legit and who isn't.

[hauntedcomputer]

Yeah it's Borrego's fault this clown is shooting 37 percent and whining about playing time.

[dirkdiggler4177]

He played the dude for something like 14 seconds to end the third and then pulled him at the start of the 4th. That's just really poor personnel management. Who's gonna feel chipper and happy after posting a full donut statlines cause you go in for one play. When you know coaches and front office will pull those numbers to tell him he isn't doing enough to earn minutes as soon as he tries to complain

Borrego sucks anyway, if injuries didn't force him to change his lineups LaMelo probably would have played behind Graham and Rozier all year last year. seems like injuries are pretty much the only way to move up in his rotation once he's set on it in training camp

I listened to Austin Rivers on Ryen Russillo's podcast and he mentioned that's is much easier being a starter than a role player in the NBA because of the exact reason you stated. It was an interesting listen.

Brian Scalabrine said the same thing. You have to always be in shape, always stay ready, but you might not even play, but you have to mentally be in it the whole time. That is very hard psychology.

[BostonCouchGM]

Borrego is a buffoon and if CHA wants to get to the next level they really need to make a change

[Bruin]

Fighting your coach as a rookie is definitely the way to get more minutes…

[Harry Garris]

Yeah it's Borrego's fault this clown is shooting 37 percent and whining about playing time.

He's a rookie who is in desperate need of playing time to develop.

All it takes is looking at Anthony Edwards situation last year to know how this can go. Edwards sucked the first half of his rookie season too but the TWolves stuck with him and gave him time to develop and get better. And he did, he's a borderline all star candidate now. He wouldn't be if he had to ride the bench most of last year.

It's really hard to get better if you're yanked the second you make a mistake and don't see the floor again for several games after.

[Braggins]

Yeah it's Borrego's fault this clown is shooting 37 percent and whining about playing time.

He's a rookie who is in desperate need of playing time to develop.

All it takes is looking at Anthony Edwards situation last year to know how this can go. Edwards sucked the first half of his rookie season too but the TWolves stuck with him and gave him time to develop and get better. And he did, he's a borderline all star candidate now. He wouldn't be if he had to ride the bench most of last year.

It's really hard to get better if you're yanked the second you make a mistake and don't see the floor again for several games after.

Borrego in his Charlotte tenure has always been aggressive with giving development minutes to young players. I'm not trying to right off Bouknight so soon, but it might just legit be a bad sign for him that hes 21 already and can't get any minutes from Borrego when their roster has such terrible depth. Hes also looked really bad most of the time he has seen the court.

This is the first year in Charlotte for Borrego where the team was fully in win-now mode and Bouknight always should have been viewed as a big project, so it might not be a big deal. I was someone who was low on Bouk predraft and frankly hated the pick (and Charlottes draft in general), so its hard for me to not see this situation as worrying.

[Zeno]

I got no idea of how good Bouknight could be but from what I’ve seen he is frequently outmatched physically. Not necessarily his fault, the roster construction seems to put nearly every player they have at a physical disadvantage. Tough spot for a rookie to be and Borego is making the logical choice benching him. They need to trade Rozier.

[Red_man1]

He played the dude for something like 14 seconds to end the third and then pulled him at the start of the 4th. That's just really poor personnel management. Who's gonna feel chipper and happy after posting a full donut statlines cause you go in for one play. When you know coaches and front office will pull those numbers to tell him he isn't doing enough to earn minutes as soon as he tries to complain

Borrego sucks anyway, if injuries didn't force him to change his lineups LaMelo probably would have played behind Graham and Rozier all year last year. seems like injuries are pretty much the only way to move up in his rotation once he's set on it in training camp

I listened to Austin Rivers on Ryen Russillo's podcast and he mentioned that's is much easier being a starter than a role player in the NBA because of the exact reason you stated. It was an interesting listen.

Brian Scalabrine said the same thing. You have to always be in shape, always stay ready, but you might not even play, but you have to mentally be in it the whole time. That is very hard psychology.

And then you look at your bank account and all is well.

[Maf]

Yeah it's Borrego's fault this clown is shooting 37 percent and whining about playing time.

He's a rookie who is in desperate need of playing time to develop.

All it takes is looking at Anthony Edwards situation last year to know how this can go. Edwards sucked the first half of his rookie season too but the TWolves stuck with him and gave him time to develop and get better. And he did, he's a borderline all star candidate now. He wouldn't be if he had to ride the bench most of last year.

It's really hard to get better if you're yanked the second you make a mistake and don't see the floor again for several games after.

On the other hand our coach Malone is very hard on rookies and he demands them to deserve their minutes first. And they developed pretty well.

[Duke4life831]

Got no problem with Borrego did and its not all that uncommon either. Similar thing has happened to Kuminga this year (got subbed in with like 17 seconds to go in the quarter and isnt out there to start the next quarter). So this really isnt all that unheard of at any level, similar things happen in college as well.

I'll tell you what, if Bouknight wasn't happy with his minutes prior to this, I have a hard time seeing it being better after this situation.

[MasterIchiro]

Got no problem with Borrego did and its not all that uncommon either. Similar thing has happened to Kuminga this year (got subbed in with like 17 seconds to go in the quarter and isnt out there to start the next quarter). So this really isnt all that unheard of at any level, similar things happen in college as well.

I'll tell you what, if Bouknight wasn't happy with his minutes prior to this, I have a hard time seeing it being better after this situation.

So the coach is blowing smoke up our asses when he immediately assured us publicly after the altercation that the team believes in Bouknight, trusts in Bouknight and are trying to find him minutes? I highly doubt it. It just takes one trade of a rotation player to open up those minutes and to me that's our 6th man Kelly Oubre. Kupchak only gave him one fully guaranteed year so that tells me he's viewed as a temporary piece. Kupchak also informed everyone that there was a bidding war for Bouknight and by the end of it, given corroboration from multiple reputable scouting departments, it made it obvious that keeping the player made the most sense. Bouknight is the quickest to the rim of any Hornet and his scoring pedigree is important for our future. There's a plan for him beyond Oubre's contract.

[MasterIchiro]

Yeah it's Borrego's fault this clown is shooting 37 percent and whining about playing time.

He's a rookie who is in desperate need of playing time to develop.

All it takes is looking at Anthony Edwards situation last year to know how this can go. Edwards sucked the first half of his rookie season too but the TWolves stuck with him and gave him time to develop and get better. And he did, he's a borderline all star candidate now. He wouldn't be if he had to ride the bench most of last year.

It's really hard to get better if you're yanked the second you make a mistake and don't see the floor again for several games after.

Borrego in his Charlotte tenure has always been aggressive with giving development minutes to young players. I'm not trying to right off Bouknight so soon, but it might just legit be a bad sign for him that hes 21 already and can't get any minutes from Borrego when their roster has such terrible depth. Hes also looked really bad most of the time he has seen the court.

This is the first year in Charlotte for Borrego where the team was fully in win-now mode and Bouknight always should have been viewed as a big project, so it might not be a big deal. I was someone who was low on Bouk predraft and frankly hated the pick (and Charlottes draft in general), so its hard for me to not see this situation as worrying.

At least you admit your bias even though you won't ever grasp how it limits your assessment.

[ItsDanger]

Buried on depth chart. Bouknight/Jones for Turner

[Braggins]

Spoiler:

He's a rookie who is in desperate need of playing time to develop.

All it takes is looking at Anthony Edwards situation last year to know how this can go. Edwards sucked the first half of his rookie season too but the TWolves stuck with him and gave him time to develop and get better. And he did, he's a borderline all star candidate now. He wouldn't be if he had to ride the bench most of last year.

It's really hard to get better if you're yanked the second you make a mistake and don't see the floor again for several games after.

Borrego in his Charlotte tenure has always been aggressive with giving development minutes to young players. I'm not trying to right off Bouknight so soon, but it might just legit be a bad sign for him that hes 21 already and can't get any minutes from Borrego when their roster has such terrible depth. Hes also looked really bad most of the time he has seen the court.

This is the first year in Charlotte for Borrego where the team was fully in win-now mode and Bouknight always should have been viewed as a big project, so it might not be a big deal. I was someone who was low on Bouk predraft and frankly hated the pick (and Charlottes draft in general), so its hard for me to not see this situation as worrying.

At least you admit your bias even though you won't ever grasp how it limits your assessment.

lol ok