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Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1681 » by 9 and 20 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 4:37 pm

Dat2U wrote:If the Wizards are intent on keeping Beal and it seems as if they are, it would behoove them to pivot from discussions regarding Sabonis/Grant and remedy to PG situation immediately. Abhorrent play from Dinwiddie and no real threat from the position leaves the team rudderless. Neto does not have the talent to compensate and Holiday is clearly not the answer either. Beal has shown he's an improved passer but does not necessarily posses the decision making or comfort level that comes with being a PG and he pounds the rock far too much. He needs lead guard alongside him to get the most out his game.


When we had John Wall, Beal and Wall repeatedly called themselves the best backcourt in the NBA and they 49 wins one year (ignore all the years prior or after, ha). But then I think it was Beal who started the 'everybody eats' thing, wasn't it?

They clearly need better play from Dinwiddie or whoever else is playing next to Beal. No idea what kind of player that guy should be though.

It's too bad Beal can't go back to the kind of player he was when we had Wall. Played off the ball and hit 3's consistently. Now he holds the ball, even though he can't do that without turning it over too much, and he can't hit 3's anymore.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1682 » by TGW » Sun Feb 6, 2022 5:06 pm

Dat2U wrote:If the Wizards are intent on keeping Beal and it seems as if they are, it would behoove them to pivot from discussions regarding Sabonis/Grant and remedy to PG situation immediately. Abhorrent play from Dinwiddie and no real threat from the position leaves the team rudderless. Neto does not have the talent to compensate and Holiday is clearly not the answer either. Beal has shown he's an improved passer but does not necessarily posses the decision making or comfort level that comes with being a PG and he pounds the rock far too much. He needs lead guard alongside him to get the most out his game.


I know the front office wouldn't do it (because Turd would have to check his ego), but it would make a helluva lot of sense to bring John back. He can push tempo without being as sloppy as Westbrook was, and he can setup our bigs for easy shots.

I would gladly ship out Dinwiddie and Bertans to get John back. Team needs a shakeup.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1683 » by FAH1223 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 5:29 pm

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Dat2U wrote:If the Wizards are intent on keeping Beal and it seems as if they are, it would behoove them to pivot from discussions regarding Sabonis/Grant and remedy to PG situation immediately. Abhorrent play from Dinwiddie and no real threat from the position leaves the team rudderless. Neto does not have the talent to compensate and Holiday is clearly not the answer either. Beal has shown he's an improved passer but does not necessarily posses the decision making or comfort level that comes with being a PG and he pounds the rock far too much. He needs lead guard alongside him to get the most out his game.


I know the front office wouldn't do it (because Turd would have to check his ego), but it would make a helluva lot of sense to bring John back. He can push tempo without being as sloppy as Westbrook was, and he can setup our bigs for easy shots.

I would gladly ship out Dinwiddie and Bertans to get John back. Team needs a shakeup.


Harrell + Bertans + Dinwiddie works in the trade machine :lol:
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Post#1684 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 5:50 pm

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Dat2U wrote:If the Wizards are intent on keeping Beal and it seems as if they are, it would behoove them to pivot from discussions regarding Sabonis/Grant and remedy to PG situation immediately. Abhorrent play from Dinwiddie and no real threat from the position leaves the team rudderless. Neto does not have the talent to compensate and Holiday is clearly not the answer either. Beal has shown he's an improved passer but does not necessarily posses the decision making or comfort level that comes with being a PG and he pounds the rock far too much. He needs lead guard alongside him to get the most out his game.


I know the front office wouldn't do it (because Turd would have to check his ego), but it would make a helluva lot of sense to bring John back. He can push tempo without being as sloppy as Westbrook was, and he can setup our bigs for easy shots.

I would gladly ship out Dinwiddie and Bertans to get John back. Team needs a shakeup.


Harrell + Bertans + Dinwiddie works in the trade machine :lol:

That would be difficult to do because of luxury tax ramifications next year. Wall will cost $15M more than Bertans and Dinwiddie combined. That's the money we would have used on a backup center (Harrell or Bryant, presumably).

Wall and Beal alone will cost $90M.
Kuzma, KCP Rui, Avdija, Kispert, Gafford, Todd and our 1st will cost $50M.

That's $140M already, with only 10 players on the roster. We have no backup PG or backup center. We need to get to a roster of at least 14. Each additional vet-minimum guy costs $1.5M. Each additional undrafted rookie walk-on costs $1M.

The luxtax threshold is $147.
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Post#1685 » by TGW » Sun Feb 6, 2022 6:42 pm

I would make the numbers work. Ship out KCP for additional savings if necessary. Maybe even Rui for draft capital. John will be a massive expiring next season and will hold value for a team looking to dump a bunch of salary at the trade deadline.
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Post#1686 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 7:15 pm

Two separate trades here !
NYK get: Beal
Wiz get: Gibson, Noel, barret, walker, NYK Dals 2023 first NYK 2024 first.

Second trade
NYK get : Holiday, Todd, Gill , Cash
Wiz Get : Reddish

This is basically one trade but since reddish can't be moved with anyone for 2 months this is a way around that.

Putting Beal with a returning rose and trying to right the ship with randle might be too much to pass up for the NYK. They have a lot of draft capital built up and this uses some of it to get a star in with randle and rose.

As far as the wiz are conserned reddish and barret plus two firsts for Beal is a pretty ok return for me.
Noel can be moved or kept as depth
Kemba can be kept or cut or traded if possible
Gibson can be cut, as we set out to move out vets for assets.

Dinwiddie for a small return
Bertans for anything at all!!!!
Try to get some assets for Trez and KCP. Move on.

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Post#1687 » by popper » Sun Feb 6, 2022 7:18 pm

It has got to be frustrating as hell for TS to sit on his hands regarding a Beal trade (assuming he believes like most here that that's the right move). An owner that knows nothing about the game orders the GM to operate in a way that will reflect badly on TS' future reputation and success.
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Post#1688 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 7:42 pm

TGW wrote:I would make the numbers work. Ship out KCP for additional savings if necessary. Maybe even Rui for draft capital. John will be a massive expiring next season and will hold value for a team looking to dump a bunch of salary at the trade deadline.

The idea that expiring contracts represent value is misguided.

We would not be able to take on much salary because the luxtax issues. In 2024, we'd have to resign Kuzma and Rui, and pay Gafford his $10M raise. There would be no room to take on dead weight salary in a Wall trade.

I just don't think you are fully factoring the catastrophic ramifications of taking on Wall's salary. He is really, really expensive. I'm not even sure if he is better than Dinwiddie at this point. If he is, he sure as hell isn't $29M a year better than him. And he isn't worth trading away actual useful assets (KCP and Rui) just for that tiny (if any) upgrade.

The Portland experience should make it pretty obvious that you can't expect to win when you are paying 65% of your cap to two guards. And Portland at least had a regular All-NBA guard. We don't even have that. Our $90M backcourt wouldn't even have an All-Star.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1689 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 7:43 pm

popper wrote:It has got to be frustrating as hell for TS to sit on his hands regarding a Beal trade (assuming he believes like most here that that's the right move). An owner that knows nothing about the game orders the GM to operate in a way that will reflect badly on TS' future reputation and success.
I think about this a lot too. Like that poor man !

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Post#1690 » by deneem4 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 8:06 pm

I’m trade Beal Harrell and holiday for kwahi
Nothing less
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
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Post#1691 » by deneem4 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 8:13 pm

Clippers go all in this year
Wizards play their youth
Draft a guard


Deni
Kwahi
Kuzma
Rui
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
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Post#1692 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Feb 6, 2022 8:23 pm

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Dat2U wrote:If the Wizards are intent on keeping Beal and it seems as if they are, it would behoove them to pivot from discussions regarding Sabonis/Grant and remedy to PG situation immediately. Abhorrent play from Dinwiddie and no real threat from the position leaves the team rudderless. Neto does not have the talent to compensate and Holiday is clearly not the answer either. Beal has shown he's an improved passer but does not necessarily posses the decision making or comfort level that comes with being a PG and he pounds the rock far too much. He needs lead guard alongside him to get the most out his game.


When we had John Wall, Beal and Wall repeatedly called themselves the best backcourt in the NBA and they 49 wins one year (ignore all the years prior or after, ha). But then I think it was Beal who started the 'everybody eats' thing, wasn't it?

They clearly need better play from Dinwiddie or whoever else is playing next to Beal. No idea what kind of player that guy should be though.

It's too bad Beal can't go back to the kind of player he was when we had Wall. Played off the ball and hit 3's consistently. Now he holds the ball, even though he can't do that without turning it over too much, and he can't hit 3's anymore.



Houston is looking to move Gordon. They're reportedly hoping to get back a mid 1st for him.


The Houston Rockets have told teams they have two different offers of a first-round pick for Eric Gordon. The issue is finding a team that won’t send back significant salary as Houston doesn’t want anything major on the books. Houston is also looking for a pick in the teens instead of a late first-rounder for Gordon.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1693 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 8:27 pm

A first rounder for Gordon is wild lol .

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Post#1694 » by FAH1223 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:01 pm

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1695 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:04 pm

What about a go big for Fox?

I keep seeing him mentioned as a player the Kings are trying to move. I think you take him out of Sacramento and he's a star. He's just entering his prime, and he's locked up for several years. A Beal/Fox backcourt would give this team a bona fide identity and foundation.

Something like Harrell, Rui, Deni, Kispert?

It's a big move, and we're giving up alot. But we're giving up maybe more upside for a more proven player, but one that the needle is still pointing up.

Rui, Deni, Kispert are probably our players with the most value. But my thinking is the emergence of Kuzma makes dealing them possible. Beal, Fox, Kuz becomes our big 3.

Essentially gives us a starting 5 of Fox, Beal, KCP, Kuzma, Gafford. Bench of Dinwiddie, Bertans, Bryant.

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Post#1696 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:23 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:What about a go big for Fox?

I keep seeing him mentioned as a player the Kings are trying to move. I think you take him out of Sacramento and he's a star. He's just entering his prime, and he's locked up for several years. A Beal/Fox backcourt would give this team a bona fide identity and foundation.

Something like Harrell, Rui, Deni, Kispert?

It's a big move, and we're giving up alot. But we're giving up maybe more upside for a more proven player, but one that the needle is still pointing up.

Rui, Deni, Kispert are probably our players with the most value. But my thinking is the emergence of Kuzma makes dealing them possible. Beal, Fox, Kuz becomes our big 3.

Essentially gives us a starting 5 of Fox, Beal, KCP, Kuzma, Gafford. Bench of Dinwiddie, Bertans, Bryant. Maybe start working in Todd.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7531739

That might be the worst trade in wizards history. Rui was playing at a starting caliber level, deni is 20 and is proving that he has high level D tallent. Kisperts advanced number look great. Trading that for a Russel Westbrook lite is absolutely terrible and I for one would be absolutely dejected if they did this.

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Post#1697 » by FAH1223 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:30 pm

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Post#1698 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:37 pm

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A first and two seconds for lavert.... Damn that's a pretty good return for Indy.... What on earth could we get for Beal if we sold to a contender now..........

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Post#1699 » by Gig18 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:46 pm

the first is lottery protected. meh
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Post#1700 » by dckingsfan » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:51 pm

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SUPERBALLMAN wrote:What about a go big for Fox?

I keep seeing him mentioned as a player the Kings are trying to move. I think you take him out of Sacramento and he's a star. He's just entering his prime, and he's locked up for several years. A Beal/Fox backcourt would give this team a bona fide identity and foundation.

Something like Harrell, Rui, Deni, Kispert?

It's a big move, and we're giving up alot. But we're giving up maybe more upside for a more proven player, but one that the needle is still pointing up.

Rui, Deni, Kispert are probably our players with the most value. But my thinking is the emergence of Kuzma makes dealing them possible. Beal, Fox, Kuz becomes our big 3.

Essentially gives us a starting 5 of Fox, Beal, KCP, Kuzma, Gafford. Bench of Dinwiddie, Bertans, Bryant. Maybe start working in Todd.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7531739

That might be the worst trade in wizards history. Rui was playing at a starting caliber level, deni is 20 and is proving that he has high level D tallent. Kisperts advanced number look great. Trading that for a Russel Westbrook lite is absolutely terrible and I for one would be absolutely dejected if they did this.

I was with you until then... Fox is more like the opposite of Westbrook.

But the point stands that Sacramento's biggest weakness is their set of forwards. If we are going to do this - Bertans would need to be part of the package. Like Bertans, Hachimura and Holiday for Fox. But Sacramento wouldn't do that trade (IMO). They also want to move Hield. So, Fox/Hield for Bertans/Harrell/Bryant/Hachimura/Holiday. That is a lot of moving parts.

And then there would need to be another trade to move Dinwiddie - he wouldn't be a happy character coming off the bench.

I just don't see this type of trade (sets) coming off.

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