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Post#1761 » by shrink » Sun Feb 6, 2022 4:30 pm

winforlose wrote:
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shrink wrote:One last bit on Smart.

I can see the Timberwolves being interested in Smart. Gupta has said that he wants MIN to be longterm buyers, and as much as we all love Beverley, he is 33. I could see a trade if the price is reasonable, but BOS has less leverage with MIN than virtually any other team - they just extend Beverley and spend a little more money to be able to keep their 1st, and worry about the problem down the road.

But imagine if MIN acquires Smart 27, on his current deal ($14,339,285 $16,607,142 $18,583,713 $19,960,285 $21,336,856). Where does that leave Beverley? If you pay Smart this much, you’re eventually turning the starting role over to him, so you better not pay Bev like a starter to play back up minutes. He’s certainly played well enough to be a starter on some nba team.

I think what we are seeing is that MIN will offer Beverley an extension after the Trade Deadline, if it still makes sense for both parties.

My presumption would be that Minnesota would only really be interested in pulling the trigger on Marcus Smart if Patrick Beverly was part of another deal. I really do not see it happening, otherwise.


Smart feels like a poor man’s Beverly on a bad contract. I think this whole thing is leverage to get Bev to sign cheaper.

This is my thought as well.

Beverley’s agent is probably saying, “you have to give him a long, lucrative extension because you need him!”

Gupta responds, “we can always trade for Smart if you ask for too much.”

I’d rather have Bev, keep our assets, and worry about his age down the road.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST) 

Post#1762 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Feb 6, 2022 4:33 pm

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BlacJacMac wrote:2 unprotected 1sts for Julius Randle??

Did I miss where we’re getting Mitchell Robinson too?


Your right. Normally I would top 8 protect them, but with rumors of other teams pursuing him, this is kinda like best and final rather than the build up to it.


He’s not worth one Top 8 protected pick.

He’s just not that good of a player. If someone else wants to overpay him, we shouldn’t be trying to beat that.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST) 

Post#1763 » by winforlose » Sun Feb 6, 2022 4:40 pm

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BlacJacMac wrote:2 unprotected 1sts for Julius Randle??

Did I miss where we’re getting Mitchell Robinson too?


Your right. Normally I would top 8 protect them, but with rumors of other teams pursuing him, this is kinda like best and final rather than the build up to it.


He’s not worth one Top 8 protected pick.

He’s just not that good of a player. If someone else wants to overpay him, we shouldn’t be trying to beat that.


Look at Wiggins. He is not that good, but in the right situation his game improves. We lack resources and my trade keeps our rotation basically the same. You have to admit Randle even if overpaid is way more valuable than Beasley.

Edit to add: I agree his value is depressed at the moment, but the issue is whether NY is looking to blow it up or regroup. If they regroup they will trade Randle for the best player they can get, if they blow it up they will want young players and picks. If we could get him for 1st and 2nds go for it. I just doubt they let him go that cheap.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST) 

Post#1764 » by winforlose » Sun Feb 6, 2022 4:49 pm

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winforlose wrote:
Domejandro wrote:My presumption would be that Minnesota would only really be interested in pulling the trigger on Marcus Smart if Patrick Beverly was part of another deal. I really do not see it happening, otherwise.


Smart feels like a poor man’s Beverly on a bad contract. I think this whole thing is leverage to get Bev to sign cheaper.

This is my thought as well.

Beverley’s agent is probably saying, “you have to give him a long, lucrative extension because you need him!”

Gupta responds, “we can always trade for Smart if you ask for too much.”

I’d rather have Bev, keep our assets, and worry about his age down the road.


Bev is going to get a big pay cut because of his age and health issues. His best ask is for a 5 year deal to get him some money over time. We probably want a 3 year deal to milk the last few good years before the serious decline. Both sides need each other and I hope they can figure it out.
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Post#1765 » by Note30 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 6:01 pm

Okay time for another trade

IN: Vanvleet, Anunboy, Birch
Out: Beasley, Prince, Okogie, Bolmaro, 2 UFRPs

I think Vanvleet as a sixth man and Anunboy as a 7th man would be amazing, the cost is high and Anunboy has a lot of injury risk... But if it works it could pay off well. Birch is just extra insurance at the big spots.

I think the only issue with this would be McDaniels. He'd have a harder time getting even more minutes. Reid would become a Swiss army knife big.

The team would have more flexibility depth and skill, just how the team would mesh is curious.

DLo, Ant, Anunboy, Vanderbilt, Towns
Bev, Nowell,Vanvleet, McDaniels, Reid/Birch

The idea is that Beasley and Princes minutes are replaced with Vanvleet and Anunboy, but for some reason I feel like this roster is scrunched.

It may need another trade to get a bigger player next to Vanvleet.

I'm not as attached to Bev as most of you. SO I'm okay trading him if we get a good return.
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Post#1766 » by Mattya » Sun Feb 6, 2022 6:14 pm

Note30 wrote:Okay time for another trade

IN: Vanvleet, Anunboy, Birch
Out: Beasley, Prince, Okogie, Bolmaro, 2 UFRPs

I think Vanvleet as a sixth man and Anunboy as a 7th man would be amazing, the cost is high and Anunboy has a lot of injury risk... But if it works it could pay off well. Birch is just extra insurance at the big spots.

I think the only issue with this would be McDaniels. He'd have a harder time getting even more minutes. Reid would become a Swiss army knife big.

The team would have more flexibility depth and skill, just how the team would mesh is curious.

DLo, Ant, Anunboy, Vanderbilt, Towns
Bev, Nowell,Vanvleet, McDaniels, Reid/Birch

The idea is that Beasley and Princes minutes are replaced with Vanvleet and Anunboy, but for some reason I feel like this roster is scrunched.

It may need another trade to get a bigger player next to Vanvleet.

I'm not as attached to Bev as most of you. SO I'm okay trading him if we get a good return.


I doubt that trade gets either Vanvleet or OG by themselves
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Post#1767 » by MN7725 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 6:17 pm

Note30 wrote:
I think Vanvleet as a sixth man and Anunboy as a 7th man would be amazing


:lol:

now I know some of these proposals are trolling
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST) 

Post#1768 » by fattymcgee » Sun Feb 6, 2022 7:31 pm

Note30 wrote:Okay time for another trade

IN: Vanvleet, Anunboy, Birch
Out: Beasley, Prince, Okogie, Bolmaro, 2 UFRPs

I think Vanvleet as a sixth man and Anunboy as a 7th man would be amazing, the cost is high and Anunboy has a lot of injury risk... But if it works it could pay off well. Birch is just extra insurance at the big spots.

I think the only issue with this would be McDaniels. He'd have a harder time getting even more minutes. Reid would become a Swiss army knife big.

The team would have more flexibility depth and skill, just how the team would mesh is curious.

DLo, Ant, Anunboy, Vanderbilt, Towns
Bev, Nowell,Vanvleet, McDaniels, Reid/Birch

The idea is that Beasley and Princes minutes are replaced with Vanvleet and Anunboy, but for some reason I feel like this roster is scrunched.

It may need another trade to get a bigger player next to Vanvleet.

I'm not as attached to Bev as most of you. SO I'm okay trading him if we get a good return.


At this point in time FVV would be our 2nd best player.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST) 

Post#1769 » by Klomp » Sun Feb 6, 2022 8:39 pm

It’s becoming increasingly evident that teams, including the Celtics, are walking a fine financial line as they head into the final days before the NBA‘s February 10 trade deadline.

One agent pointed toward Greg Monroe’s brief stay in Minnesota, saying, “He’s not my guy, but he was perfect for them, both for how he could help on the court and just the toughness he could bring to a young team. They should have signed him to a second 10-day contract and then signed him for rest of the year. But they wanted to stay flexible in case they make a move before the deadline. They definitely had their eyes on the luxury tax threshold.”


https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/nba-trade-rumor-josh-richardson/
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Post#1770 » by Howard Cosell » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:32 pm

WOJ

*The Cavs are sending a package to the Pacers that includes Ricky Rubio’s expiring contract, lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.“

Good deal for both teams. It makes sense.
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Post#1771 » by winforlose » Sun Feb 6, 2022 9:45 pm

Howard Cosell wrote:WOJ

*The Cavs are sending a package to the Pacers that includes Ricky Rubio’s expiring contract, lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.“

Good deal for both teams. It makes sense.


The actual trade is

Clevland in: Caris LeVert, Pacers 2022 2nd
Clevland out: Ricky, Clevland’s 2022 1st and 2nd, and Clevland’s 2027 2nd.

Didn’t see the specific protections on the tweet.
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Post#1772 » by younggunsmn » Sun Feb 6, 2022 10:11 pm

Its actually:
CLE IN: Lavert (2y-36 mil), 2022 MIA 2nd
IND IN: Rubio (out for the year and expring), 2022 CLE 1st (Top 14 protected), HOU 2022 2nd, UTA 2027 2nd

So they'll get a pick in the 15-25 range and a pick in the 30-35 range for Lavert.

Sabonis, Turner, Brogdon all nice fits here depending on the price point.
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Post#1773 » by Note30 » Sun Feb 6, 2022 10:27 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
Note30 wrote:Okay time for another trade

IN: Vanvleet, Anunboy, Birch
Out: Beasley, Prince, Okogie, Bolmaro, 2 UFRPs

I think Vanvleet as a sixth man and Anunboy as a 7th man would be amazing, the cost is high and Anunboy has a lot of injury risk... But if it works it could pay off well. Birch is just extra insurance at the big spots.

I think the only issue with this would be McDaniels. He'd have a harder time getting even more minutes. Reid would become a Swiss army knife big.

The team would have more flexibility depth and skill, just how the team would mesh is curious.

DLo, Ant, Anunboy, Vanderbilt, Towns
Bev, Nowell,Vanvleet, McDaniels, Reid/Birch

The idea is that Beasley and Princes minutes are replaced with Vanvleet and Anunboy, but for some reason I feel like this roster is scrunched.

It may need another trade to get a bigger player next to Vanvleet.

I'm not as attached to Bev as most of you. SO I'm okay trading him if we get a good return.


At this point in time FVV would be our 2nd best player.


No no he wouldn't be.
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Post#1774 » by younggunsmn » Sun Feb 6, 2022 10:34 pm

Toronto has been surging, they have a good thing going on right now why would they blow that up?
They would turn down that entire package for just one of FVV or Anunoby.
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Post#1775 » by _AIJ_ » Sun Feb 6, 2022 11:21 pm

Note30 wrote:Okay time for another trade

IN: Vanvleet, Anunboy, Birch
Out: Beasley, Prince, Okogie, Bolmaro, 2 UFRPs

I think Vanvleet as a sixth man and Anunboy as a 7th man would be amazing, the cost is high and Anunboy has a lot of injury risk... But if it works it could pay off well. Birch is just extra insurance at the big spots.

I think the only issue with this would be McDaniels. He'd have a harder time getting even more minutes. Reid would become a Swiss army knife big.

The team would have more flexibility depth and skill, just how the team would mesh is curious.

DLo, Ant, Anunboy, Vanderbilt, Towns
Bev, Nowell,Vanvleet, McDaniels, Reid/Birch

The idea is that Beasley and Princes minutes are replaced with Vanvleet and Anunboy, but for some reason I feel like this roster is scrunched.

It may need another trade to get a bigger player next to Vanvleet.

I'm not as attached to Bev as most of you. SO I'm okay trading him if we get a good return.

Oh wow
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Post#1776 » by IceManBK1 » Mon Feb 7, 2022 12:34 am

Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=-ARl2Tzx8_eClvldHRp9og

Should we? Damn both Reid and prince got hurt today. Hope they're OK. They are our major trade chips.
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Post#1777 » by moss_is_1 » Mon Feb 7, 2022 1:11 am

IceManBK1 wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=-ARl2Tzx8_eClvldHRp9og

Should we? Damn both Reid and prince got hurt today. Hope they're OK. They are our major trade chips.

I don't see it. Only contract we could really move for him is Prince, and Prince is a much better player.
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Post#1778 » by moss_is_1 » Mon Feb 7, 2022 1:44 am

After watching the Pistons a couple of times, I wonder if they'd consider Lyles and Joseph for Layman and Okogie with a 2nd rounder or some small incentive. Get out of the 2nd years of those contracts and get a pick. We get 2 bench players who could play in a pinch.
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Post#1779 » by Neeva » Mon Feb 7, 2022 1:58 am

Just make small trades that will improve team for playoffs and next season.

Naz Reid and Bolmaro for Pj Washington
(OR Bolmaro, Layman, 2nd for Obi Toppin)

Okogie for Gorgui Dieng

And if Boston is still interested
Beasley, Mclaughlin, Knight for Richardson,Pritchard,Nesmith


Lets go!!

Dlo/Pritchard
Bev/Nowell/Richardson
Ant/McDaniels/Nesmith
Washington/Vanderbilt/Prince
Towns/Dieng
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Post#1780 » by Klomp » Mon Feb 7, 2022 2:25 am

moss_is_1 wrote:After watching the Pistons a couple of times, I wonder if they'd consider Lyles and Joseph for Layman and Okogie with a 2nd rounder or some small incentive. Get out of the 2nd years of those contracts and get a pick. We get 2 bench players who could play in a pinch.

I wondered about Lyles as well, but I've heard he's been solid for them, not necessarily someone to move.
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