Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[DCZards]

Dat has it exactly right. If the Zards are intent on keeping Beal, they absolutely must get better play at PG. Beal as a primary ballhandler is bad for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it forces him to take on responsibilities that go beyond what should be his primary responsibility...scoring.

When I look at the outstanding play of Kuz, the development of Deni & Rui, and the potential of Kispert it becomes even more apparent that what this team lacks far more than anything else is a playmaking PG, someone who is capable of getting the team organized in the half court.

I'm not sure who's available but there must be a decent back-up PG that the Zards can trade for that would be an improvement upon the mess that we currently have at PG.

[nate33]

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MIA's 2024 1st? Don't know why we'd give Rui to them.

We wouldn't. The tweet is pure wishcasting.

[nate33]

What about a go big for Fox?

I keep seeing him mentioned as a player the Kings are trying to move. I think you take him out of Sacramento and he's a star. He's just entering his prime, and he's locked up for several years. A Beal/Fox backcourt would give this team a bona fide identity and foundation.

Something like Harrell, Rui, Deni, Kispert?

Step away from the keyboard, dude.

Fox is a below average starting PG on a $30M a year deal. He isn't remotely close to being worth our last 3 lotto picks plus a good vet. A realistic Fox deal would look more like Dinwiddie + Rui + Bryant.

[nate33]

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A first and two seconds for lavert.... Damn that's a pretty good return for Indy.... What on earth could we get for Beal if we sold to a contender now..........

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Good deal for Cleveland.

They are in dire need of a athletic small forward and Lavert fits. Cleveland currently has the 7th best record in the league so that pick is looking like it'll be the #23 or so, which isn't all that valuable.

[dckingsfan]

In my mind the problem we have is Dinwiddie/Beal doesn't work. So, you would need to move Dinwiddie. A backup PG doesn't move the needle.

Add to that we have the "Bertans" issue. Together they are a $34M problem.

If you could solve the problem by a Dinwiddie/Bertans/Hachimura/(Bryant or Harrell) for Fox/Hield - then that actually moves the needle. Would either team do that? What other team has a starting PG that they want to move?

[JAR69]

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A first and two seconds for lavert.... Damn that's a pretty good return for Indy.... What on earth could we get for Beal if we sold to a contender now..........

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Good deal for Cleveland.

They are in dire need of a athletic small forward and Lavert fits. Cleveland currently has the 7th best record in the league so that pick is looking like it'll be the #23 or so, which isn't all that valuable.

Hmm. An Eastern Conference arms race would drive up the price for a team trading a major piece, especially one at SG where some of the contender/pretenders have a need. Wish I could think of one.

[FAH1223]

the first is lottery protected. meh

IT'LL convey cause CLE isn't gonna be in the lottery this year.

[nate33]

In my mind the problem we have is Dinwiddie/Beal doesn't work. So, you would need to move Dinwiddie. A backup PG doesn't move the needle.

Add to that we have the "Bertans" issue. Together they are a $34M problem.

If you could solve the problem by a Dinwiddie/Bertans/Hachimura/(Bryant or Harrell) for Fox/Hield - then that actually moves the needle. Would either team do that? What other team has a starting PG that they want to move?

I think the best resolution of the Dinwiddie situation would be to try and dump his salary and reload next year using the MLE (or the draft). If I could trade Dinwiddie for Dragic and just be done with it, I'd be happy.

We'd probably lose a few more games without Dinwiddie over the remainder of the season, which only boosts our draft position. Next year, we can use the MLE to sign a guy like Rubio, or maybe there's a real good PG in the draft at our spot.

What I don't want to do is commit ourselves to spending $30M a year on a non-All-Star caliber PG like Fox.

Obviously, an even better solution would be to trade Beal and rebuild.

[FAH1223]

Dat has it exactly right. If the Zards are intent on keeping Beal, they absolutely must get better play at PG. Beal as a primary ballhandler is bad for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it forces him to take on responsibilities that go beyond what should be his primary responsibility...scoring.

When I look at the outstanding play of Kuz, the development of Deni & Rui, and the potential of Kispert it becomes even more apparent that what this team lacks far more than anything else is a playmaking PG, someone who is capable of getting the team organized in the half court.

I'm not sure who's available but there must be a decent back-up PG that the Zards can trade for that would be an improvement upon the mess that we currently have at PG.

I'd see what kind of PG options are out there with Trez being our best chip to get a PG of consequence

[SUPERBALLMAN]

What about a go big for Fox?

I keep seeing him mentioned as a player the Kings are trying to move. I think you take him out of Sacramento and he's a star. He's just entering his prime, and he's locked up for several years. A Beal/Fox backcourt would give this team a bona fide identity and foundation.

Something like Harrell, Rui, Deni, Kispert?

It's a big move, and we're giving up alot. But we're giving up maybe more upside for a more proven player, but one that the needle is still pointing up.

Rui, Deni, Kispert are probably our players with the most value. But my thinking is the emergence of Kuzma makes dealing them possible. Beal, Fox, Kuz becomes our big 3.

Essentially gives us a starting 5 of Fox, Beal, KCP, Kuzma, Gafford. Bench of Dinwiddie, Bertans, Bryant. Maybe start working in Todd.

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That might be the worst trade in wizards history. Rui was playing at a starting caliber level, deni is 20 and is proving that he has high level D tallent. Kisperts advanced number look great. Trading that for a Russel Westbrook lite is absolutely terrible and I for one would be absolutely dejected if they did this.

I was with you until then... Fox is more like the opposite of Westbrook.

But the point stands that Sacramento's biggest weakness is their set of forwards. If we are going to do this - Bertans would need to be part of the package. Like Bertans, Hachimura and Holiday for Fox. But Sacramento wouldn't do that trade (IMO). They also want to move Hield. So, Fox/Hield for Bertans/Harrell/Bryant/Hachimura/Holiday. That is a lot of moving parts.

And then there would need to be another trade to move Dinwiddie - he wouldn't be a happy character coming off the bench.

I just don't see this type of trade (sets) coming off.

If you think this would be the worst trade in team history.... Umm , I have a hard time believing that.

Well, I'm reading a lot of posts saying we need a pg. Even posts saying we should bring back Wall.

Fox 's game reminds me of Wall, plus he's younger, and paid less. If Beal with Wall was good, then maybe we could have something with Beal & Fox.

Also Sacramento needs forwards which is our area with depth to deal, and their depth is PG which is our need, so maybe we can help each other out.

Harrell is for salary, and it's an expiring, so it's basically Rui, Deni, Kispert for Fox. Fox is 24 and signed the next 3 seasons. Maybe it would take less, maybe we can keep Deni for example? But I doubt it. But if so then great....

I just think Fox, Beal, Kuzma could be something to build on. Dinwiddie slides to a combo G off the bench role.

I like the speed of a Fox, Beal, KCP, Kuz, Gafford starting 5. Bryant, Bertans, Dinwiddie off the bench, maybe Bertans and Dinwiddie can rehab their value.

Btw, this would be the type of move I'd be looking at if we're keeping Beal, which I hope we dont.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

What about a go big for Fox?

I keep seeing him mentioned as a player the Kings are trying to move. I think you take him out of Sacramento and he's a star. He's just entering his prime, and he's locked up for several years. A Beal/Fox backcourt would give this team a bona fide identity and foundation.

Something like Harrell, Rui, Deni, Kispert?

Step away from the keyboard, dude.

Fox is a below average starting PG on a $30M a year deal. He isn't remotely close to being worth our last 3 lotto picks plus a good vet. A realistic Fox deal would look more like Dinwiddie + Rui + Bryant.

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[Dat2U]

How bout this:

Wizards get:
Tyrese Haliburton
Tyrese Maxey
Marvin Bagley III
Danny Green

76ers get:
Bradley Beal
Harrison Barnes

Kings get
Ben Simmons

Wiz get TWO very good young Gs on rookie deals.

76ers get TWO big pieces to make a title run now.

Kings get the all-star they've wanted.

Thoughts?

[Frichuela]

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Good Lord…here we come..

[FAH1223]

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[80sballboy]

If they get Sabonis, there is zero chance they trade Beal. Ted doesn't want a 2-3 year rebuild. So we'll be trading away all if not most of young assets and probably this year's first. How are you going to get better with two very good, but not great players and Kispert, Gafford and Kuz (unless Kuz is in that deal)?

For all we know, Beal might be out for multiple weeks unless he miraculously gets better when and if Sabonis arrives.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

The Phoenix Suns have taken calls from the Denver Nuggets, Detroit Pistons, Washington Wizards, San Antonio Spurs, and Toronto Raptors for young backup Jalen Smith. – via Matt Moore @ Action Network

51 mins ago – via Twitter wojespn
Adrian Wojnarowski: This is likely the start of a dramatic trade deadline makeover for the Indiana roster. Myles Turner and Domantas Sabonis are among key players who remain in trade talks.

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2 days ago – via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
The Wizards, meanwhile, are more frequently described by rivals as a team trying to strengthen the cast around Beal (Jerami Grant? Domantas Sabonis?) to convince him to stay put rather than entertaining a Beal blockbuster.

4 days ago – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report
Word has since trickled around the league that Beal would welcome playing with Sabonis, although one source with knowledge of the situation maintained Beal has not actively encouraged the Wizards to acquire him. League personnel say the Pacers are seeking a package similar to or greater than the haul Nikola Vucevic drew for the Orlando Magic last season. Only Sacramento, New Orleans and Washington have been linked by league personnel as Sabonis suitors with significant interest.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Dat has it exactly right. If the Zards are intent on keeping Beal, they absolutely must get better play at PG. Beal as a primary ballhandler is bad for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it forces him to take on responsibilities that go beyond what should be his primary responsibility...scoring.

When I look at the outstanding play of Kuz, the development of Deni & Rui, and the potential of Kispert it becomes even more apparent that what this team lacks far more than anything else is a playmaking PG, someone who is capable of getting the team organized in the half court.

I'm not sure who's available but there must be a decent back-up PG that the Zards can trade for that would be an improvement upon the mess that we currently have at PG.

I'd see what kind of PG options are out there with Trez being our best chip to get a PG of consequence

Dennis Schoeder and Kemba Walker are available.

[JAR69]

I agree with Nate that Beal-Simmons is the best core of a deal for us. But if that doesn't happen, my lean is that a Boston picks/players package is the best plan B. I am assuming Boston won't give us Brown in this scenario, which clearly would be better.

The core of the trade would be Beal for Smart, Richardson, Nesmith, and picks/swaps. (Note that Boston has all of its future firsts.) Leaving Boston with its core gives it a strong incentive to produce enough picks/swaps to get us close to the Jrue Holiday package. They also are likely to be the most confident team that Beal will resign. I think we would need two unprotected firsts (2022 and 2024) and at least one swap (I'd push it out as far as possible - say, 2027). I'd happily push for a second sooner swap, too.

Then I would trade Smart to Minnesota for Beverly and a 2022 first round pick. I'm OK with top 10 protection, or full lottery protection plus getting our 2022 second round pick back. I would also trade Richardson to the highest bidder - hopefully an expiring plus a late first, but I'd take a good second.

The haul would be:
2 unprotected BOS firsts
1 BOS swap
1 protected MIN first
Possible WAS second
What we get for Richardson
Nesmith

That compares OK with the Jrue package of 3 MIL firsts, two unlikely swaps, Eric Bledsoe, and George Hill.

Two possible variations on the trade. First, we could also push them to take Bertans into their trade exception. My guess is that would cost us one of the firsts. Second, we could push for a Gafford/Williams swap. Their numbers are similar per 36, but Timelord does it in 29 mins/game while Gaff is only good for 20. Also, Williams' efficiency numbers are better. I'm not sure what that would cost us.

If we add the Bertans part but not Gafford/Williams, our core salary for next year would be about $63 million (Dinwiddie, KCP, Kuzma, Rui, Deni, Kispert, Gafford, and Todd). We could drop another $9 million by cutting KCP before his guarantee kicks in - that puts us at $54 million plus picks plus roster charges). Williams, FWIW, adds back about $9 million.

None of this considers trading Trez, KCP, or Bryant, who don't get much but something.

Of course, we won't do anything like this, and will instead trade the future to rent Sabonis and the shoot for the 8th spot.

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