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I like it.   If he plays well we can move sexton and hopefully extend LaVert for 3 years based off of low-ish number.   If he sucks this season, he’s an expiring contract to trade in the off-season
            
                                    
                                    
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I just hate giving up that pick package and Rubio's expiring contract for LeVert. Even if I could talk myself into him playing within the offense and working out, and I'm a long way from there, we completely overpaid here. Also, if we don't have a trade lined up for Sexton already, we just leveraged ourselves into a position where we're essentially distressed sellers as far as he goes.
            
                                    
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
                        Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:I just hate giving up that pick package and Rubio's expiring contract for LeVert. Even if I could talk myself into him playing within the offense and working out, and I'm a long way from there, we completely overpaid here. Also, if we don't have a trade lined up for Sexton already, we just leveraged ourselves into a position where we're essentially distressed sellers as far as he goes.
The pick package doesn’t bug me because none of them impinge future flexibility and I have zero confidence in JBB playing them after the Cavs make the picks.
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The fact LeVert has played in 50 or more games twice in 5 seasons is incredibly concerning.  I just did not expect us to make such a risky move.
            
                                    
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mcfly1204 wrote:The fact LeVert has played in 50 or more games twice in 5 seasons is incredibly concerning. I just did not expect us to make such a risky move.
Its medium risk, high reward. If he becomes more structured and works well as Garlands compliment and helps us win games later this year and into the Playoffs--its worth every overvalued draft pick we sent.
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LivingLegend wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:The fact LeVert has played in 50 or more games twice in 5 seasons is incredibly concerning. I just did not expect us to make such a risky move.
Its medium risk, high reward. If he becomes more structured and works well as Garlands compliment and helps us win games later this year and into the Playoffs--its worth every overvalued draft pick we sent.
High reward seems like a real stretch. I give this a 1 in 5 chance of working out and there's a lot that can go wrong.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
                        Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:I just hate giving up that pick package and Rubio's expiring contract for LeVert. Even if I could talk myself into him playing within the offense and working out, and I'm a long way from there, we completely overpaid here. Also, if we don't have a trade lined up for Sexton already, we just leveraged ourselves into a position where we're essentially distressed sellers as far as he goes.
Worst-case, things go terribly and we lose out on two Dylan Windler-level flyers (but we already have another one at that level in the SAS 2nd), and he's off our books after next year for 2023 free agency.
Doesn't look like the Cavs will have the full MLE this offseason if we re-sign Sexton for a $20m or so deal, so the sign-Rubio-for-MLE plan might not work. If we S&T Sexton away, that's our best avenue to take back another salary.
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I hate to criticize too hard, but over the last 2&3 weeks Mobley has driven me insane. The amount of balls he gets stolen from him because he dips his hands in butter before games is infuriating.
His slippery hands and lack of strength to finish anything at the rim is starting to become a real problem.
            
                                    
                                    
                        His slippery hands and lack of strength to finish anything at the rim is starting to become a real problem.
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LivingLegend wrote:I hate to criticize too hard, but over the last 2&3 weeks Mobley has driven me insane. The amount of balls he gets stolen from him because he dips his hands in butter before games is infuriating.
His slippery hands and lack of strength to finish anything at the rim is starting to become a real problem.
This is my issue with the LeVert trade. We aren't there yet.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
                        Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Any guess on the starting lineup when Markannen returns from injury?  
Garland/LeVert/Okoro/Mobley/Allen vs. Garland/LeVert/Markannen/Mobley/Allen
            
                                    
                                    Garland/LeVert/Okoro/Mobley/Allen vs. Garland/LeVert/Markannen/Mobley/Allen
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jbk1234 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:The fact LeVert has played in 50 or more games twice in 5 seasons is incredibly concerning. I just did not expect us to make such a risky move.
Its medium risk, high reward. If he becomes more structured and works well as Garlands compliment and helps us win games later this year and into the Playoffs--its worth every overvalued draft pick we sent.
High reward seems like a real stretch. I give this a 1 in 5 chance of working out and there's a lot that can go wrong.
Idk I have faith in JB to fit him into the system. JB is literally batting a thousand on getting guys to play above expectations this year in this system.
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LivingLegend wrote:jbk1234 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:
Its medium risk, high reward. If he becomes more structured and works well as Garlands compliment and helps us win games later this year and into the Playoffs--its worth every overvalued draft pick we sent.
High reward seems like a real stretch. I give this a 1 in 5 chance of working out and there's a lot that can go wrong.
Idk I have faith in JB to fit him into the system. JB is literally batting a thousand on getting guys to play above expectations this year in this system.
I am less concerned about how LeVert melds into the system, and more concerned about him staying healthy and on the court.
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mcfly1204 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
High reward seems like a real stretch. I give this a 1 in 5 chance of working out and there's a lot that can go wrong.
Idk I have faith in JB to fit him into the system. JB is literally batting a thousand on getting guys to play above expectations this year in this system.
I am less concerned about how LeVert melds into the system, and more concerned about him staying healthy and on the court.
That's fair, but he was the best wing available on the market. You gotta take a chance. It was just a year or two ago when he was on the Nets and everyone loved him.
I'm not ever going to fault the Cavs for being aggressive and taking a chance to improve the team both short and long-term and FINALLY addressing the wing position after 2 straight years neglecting it.
I don't understand the concept of hoarding draft picks for future use when you have a cannonball sized hole in your roster and can address it through trade with one of the best options on the market.
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I'm hopeful LeVert proves me wrong and I'll leave it there.
            
                                    
                                    cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
                        Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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LivingLegend wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:
Idk I have faith in JB to fit him into the system. JB is literally batting a thousand on getting guys to play above expectations this year in this system.
I am less concerned about how LeVert melds into the system, and more concerned about him staying healthy and on the court.
That's fair, but he was the best wing available on the market. You gotta take a chance. It was just a year or two ago when he was on the Nets and everyone loved him.
I'm not ever going to fault the Cavs for being aggressive and taking a chance to improve the team both short and long-term and FINALLY addressing the wing position after 2 straight years neglecting it.
I don't understand the concept of hoarding draft picks for future use when you have a cannonball sized hole in your roster and can address it through trade with one of the best options on the market.
In all fairness, we did draft Okoro and Windler in recent 1st rounds, so it's not as if we've been completing ignoring the wings. The problem is that we've not had any sort of stopgap in place for the interim.
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mcfly1204 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:I am less concerned about how LeVert melds into the system, and more concerned about him staying healthy and on the court.
That's fair, but he was the best wing available on the market. You gotta take a chance. It was just a year or two ago when he was on the Nets and everyone loved him.
I'm not ever going to fault the Cavs for being aggressive and taking a chance to improve the team both short and long-term and FINALLY addressing the wing position after 2 straight years neglecting it.
I don't understand the concept of hoarding draft picks for future use when you have a cannonball sized hole in your roster and can address it through trade with one of the best options on the market.
In all fairness, we did draft Okoro and Windler in recent 1st rounds, so it's not as if we've been completing ignoring the wings. The problem is that we've not had any sort of stopgap in place for the interim.
Word, I just wish we would have actually played Windler at some point in the past 3 months to see if he could have been that guy. But for some reason he never got a chance is is likely gone. My only assumption is that he made a run at one of the assistant coaches girlfriends.
Either way, let's just hope for the best. The Cavs are hanging in there and are close to adding Garland/LeVert/Lauri very soon. They are going to be in tremendous shape for post all-star success.
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Windler's lack of burn is puzzling.  Shooter with good length who can play some defense.  Gee, who could use one of those?...
            
                                    
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mcfly1204 wrote:Windler's lack of burn is puzzling. Shooter with good length who can play some defense. Gee, who could use one of those?...
Not the Cavs apparently. We have zero spacing or shooting threat with Garland out and are on pace for 70pts but the Cavs continue to play Stevens, Goodwin and Rondo.
What's even more stupid is that I have yet to hear a media member address Windler I'm any one of the past 30 interviews with JB.
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LivingLegend wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:Windler's lack of burn is puzzling. Shooter with good length who can play some defense. Gee, who could use one of those?...
Not the Cavs apparently. We have zero spacing or shooting threat with Garland out and are on pace for 70pts but the Cavs continue to play Stevens, Goodwin and Rondo.
What's even more stupid is that I have yet to hear a media member address Windler I'm any one of the past 30 interviews with JB.
To your point, feels like an inside issue. Damon Jones is no longer with the organization, so I assume there wasn't another soup incident?
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