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[Jay555]

Simmons' problem is his psychological issues regarding jump shooting from the field and the line. Dude was literally terrified to shoot FTs. Every other facet of his game is pretty much elite.

It's even worse, tho.

Imagine having a disappointing playoffs due to issues like these, then seeing other people as the problem, going on a season-long pout, and doubling down every chance there was an olive branch or opportunity to put the past behind him.

It sounds a lot to me like Rich Paul is essentially enabling the guy's prima donna nature and fear of the big stage or whatever it is. First thing he really needed was a sports psychologist, but IIRC he's typically refused that avenue.

Would be fun to see Simmons traded for Kyrie, not Harden. That way you don't increase your headcase count, you get someone who wants to play, probably wants to prove lots of people wrong, and bonus pts for the entertainment of watching KD's reaction, locked in to his new contract.

Kyrie is not tradable. No teams would want this headache after this.
The only tradeable one and one that makes more sense is Harden.

[TheNetsFan]

This team is struggling to score that’s why I said Ben Simmons is not a fit.

The team was also struggling to get stops. It seemed to me that defense was just as big, if not a bigger problem.

No disrespect intended, but you sound exactly like I did 20 years ago. The Nets didn't have a great offense as it was, and I was dumbfounded by Thorn trading our best offensive player for a guy who could put up triple doubles if he somehow managed to actually get 10 points. I thought it was a bad fit and a big mistake.

History tells me I was a basketball idiot back then. That guy turned the team around and established a strong defensive up tempo identity.

I'm not saying Simmons will have a Kidd like impact, but we could transform into an up tempo team and actually see the offense improve by virtue of getting more transition buckets.

Kidd shot 3's at a good clip whereas Simmons refuses to shoot. Simmons needs as much spacing as Harden but we can address that I suppose.

.297 is a good clip? That's what he shot from 3 the season before we traded for him. He shot .391 from the floor (not just from 3) his first year in NJ. He was garbage in the midrange. He couldn't crack 70% from the line for his first 4 years in the league. At age 24 he finally made the jump from .688 to .799 from the free throw line.

There's a reason people called him Ason Kidd. He had no J. He was able to impact the game without scoring. When he got older and started slowing down, he made drastic improvements in his shooting.

[gigantes]

It's even worse, tho.

Imagine having a disappointing playoffs due to issues like these, then seeing other people as the problem, going on a season-long pout, and doubling down every chance there was an olive branch or opportunity to put the past behind him.

It sounds a lot to me like Rich Paul is essentially enabling the guy's prima donna nature and fear of the big stage or whatever it is. First thing he really needed was a sports psychologist, but IIRC he's typically refused that avenue.

Would be fun to see Simmons traded for Kyrie, not Harden. That way you don't increase your headcase count, you get someone who wants to play, probably wants to prove lots of people wrong, and bonus pts for the entertainment of watching KD's reaction, locked in to his new contract.

Kyrie is not tradable. No teams would want this headache after this.
The only tradeable one and one that makes more sense is Harden.

Hence the words would be fun...

[Hello Brooklyn]

This season is lost.

Marks will not fire Nash until the off season. It doesn't matter if we lose 15 in a row.

We have basically used up most of Kyrie. 2/3 of the remaining games are at home.

Harden is clearly hurt. And not even close to healthy if he does play.

Harris looks out for the season. Aldridge is always hurt, doesn't look the same. Claxton is never healthy.

No trade assets left.

The team itself is falling apart at the seems.

Are we sure we make the play in? Its time to consider if we even make a top 10 seed in the East.

This team looks headed for a bottom 5 finish in the East. How much can an injured KD do to bring it back?

[Hello Brooklyn]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

[MrDollarBills]

Simmons' problem is his psychological issues regarding jump shooting from the field and the line. Dude was literally terrified to shoot FTs. Every other facet of his game is pretty much elite.

It's even worse, tho.

Imagine having a disappointing playoffs due to issues like these, then seeing other people as the problem, going on a season-long pout, and doubling down every chance there was an olive branch or opportunity to put the past behind him.

It sounds a lot to me like Rich Paul is essentially enabling the guy's prima donna nature and fear of the big stage or whatever it is. First thing he really needed was a sports psychologist, but IIRC he's typically refused that avenue.

Would be fun to see Simmons traded for Kyrie, not Harden. That way you don't increase your headcase count, you get someone who wants to play, probably wants to prove lots of people wrong, and bonus pts for the entertainment of watching KD's reaction, locked in to his new contract.

I'd rather keep Harden, get him on a strict offseason workout plan, and dump Kyrie in a three team trade that involves us getting back John Collins or Sabonis. Kyrie does not give a **** about this team

[LOUiS-D]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

He was that for us. I made a freaking Iron Man av of him. He was an MVP candidate for a stretch last year. Talking heads were saying "he might be having an mvp season, but he can't be an mvp after what he did to houston". But, you know. Nash is Thibs without any coaching acumen.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

He was that for us. I made a freaking Iron Man av of him. He was an MVP candidate for a stretch last year. Talking heads were saying "he might be having an mvp season, but he can't be an mvp after what he did to houston". But, you know. Nash is Thibs without any coaching acumen.

He was that for a 20-30 game stretch. Then he was hurt for all of last year. And awful this year.

I mean it would be INSANE to give that guy 150 million dollars. Like crazy.

[HardenGoat]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

Hindsight 20/20 vision there. Add in though letting Dantoni leave. Plus keeping Brown over Green. I knew letting Green go was going to haunt us. I also can’t believe we didn’t go in on Forbes or Covington. Theres some hope though. Harden needs to get back to 100 percent. We need to get Ibaka and Dragic. Those are two vets that can make a difference right away. Ibaka has been playing great. Trade Claxton we just can’t depend on him health wise and get a shooter to replace Harris. There’s a chance also we could use Harris to get Eric Gordon if they will take a couple seconds.

[MrDollarBills]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

You have a very short memory. Harden was putting up MVP level production before the hamstring injury last season. He was carrying this team while Kyrie was randomly disappearing and KD was hurt.

There is nothing you, Prok, or Paradise can say that will make me side with Kyrie over Harden. Harden came here to be apart of a super team, not have to carry a massive load. Nash has run him into the ground and a huge reason for that is because of Mr. Part Time. Kyrie is not here to win games he wants to chill. I can't stand him.

That being said, maybe the Nets should have just kept LeVert and Allen. This is what happens when you allow superstars to dictate what the GM does.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Simmons' problem is his psychological issues regarding jump shooting from the field and the line. Dude was literally terrified to shoot FTs. Every other facet of his game is pretty much elite.

It's even worse, tho.

Imagine having a disappointing playoffs due to issues like these, then seeing other people as the problem, going on a season-long pout, and doubling down every chance there was an olive branch or opportunity to put the past behind him.

It sounds a lot to me like Rich Paul is essentially enabling the guy's prima donna nature and fear of the big stage or whatever it is. First thing he really needed was a sports psychologist, but IIRC he's typically refused that avenue.

Would be fun to see Simmons traded for Kyrie, not Harden. That way you don't increase your headcase count, you get someone who wants to play, probably wants to prove lots of people wrong, and bonus pts for the entertainment of watching KD's reaction, locked in to his new contract.

I'd rather keep Harden, get him on a strict offseason workout plan, and dump Kyrie in a three team trade that involves us getting back John Collins or Sabonis. Kyrie does not give a **** about this team

What exactly is Simmons going to do to help us?

Dude would need 2-3 weeks to get back into shape. Then we would have Cam Thomas and James Johnson for home games.

And after that who knows if mentally he could handle anything.

Harden for Simmons will be on the table in the off season. We all know it.

Once we flame out of the playoffs Nash will be fired. And Simmons will likely be traded for Harden.

Then you go into next season with KD/Simmons/full time Kyrie. Put some shooters around them. Pray it goes better.

[MrDollarBills]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

Hindsight 20/20 vision there. Add in though the hiring of Nash and then letting Dantoni leave. Plus keeping Brown over Green. I knew letting Green go was going to haunt us. I also can’t believe we didn’t go in on Forbes or Covington. Theres some hope though. Harden needs to get back to 100 percent. We need to get Ibaka and Dragic. Those are two vets that can make a difference right away. Ibaka has been playing great. Trade Claxton we just can’t depend on him health wise and get a shooter to replace Harris.

We didn't have the cap room to retain Green.

Green hasn't been good this year so it's moot. Mills is much better.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

You have a very short memory. Harden was putting up MVP level production before the hamstring injury last season. He was carrying this team while Kyrie was randomly disappearing and KD was hurt.

There is nothing you, Prok, or Paradise can say that will make me side with Kyrie over Harden. Harden came here to be apart of a super team, not have to carry a massive load. Nash has run him into the ground and a huge reason for that is because of Mr. Part Time. Kyrie is not here to win games he wants to chill. I can't stand him.

That being said, maybe the Nets should have just kept LeVert and Allen. This is what happens when you allow superstars to dictate what the GM does.

Who cares about last year?

That wasnt enough to make it worth it. Not to mention Kyrie was on that run with Harden. And Kyrie played more games than Harden did last year.

I'm not siding with Kyrie or Harden. I blame both of them.

I still think Harden trade was a mistake.

Should have kept Levert and Allen.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

Hindsight 20/20 vision there. Add in though the hiring of Nash and then letting Dantoni leave. Plus keeping Brown over Green. I knew letting Green go was going to haunt us. I also can’t believe we didn’t go in on Forbes or Covington. Theres some hope though. Harden needs to get back to 100 percent. We need to get Ibaka and Dragic. Those are two vets that can make a difference right away. Ibaka has been playing great. Trade Claxton we just can’t depend on him health wise and get a shooter to replace Harris.

We didn't have the cap room to retain Green.

Green hasn't been good this year so it's moot. Mills is much better.

Mills is simply better than Green. It wasn't a hard choice.

Blaming the roster construction is just stupid. When fully healthy this team could have been an all time great team.

They just got killed by injuries to nearly everyone.

[MrDollarBills]

It's even worse, tho.

Imagine having a disappointing playoffs due to issues like these, then seeing other people as the problem, going on a season-long pout, and doubling down every chance there was an olive branch or opportunity to put the past behind him.

It sounds a lot to me like Rich Paul is essentially enabling the guy's prima donna nature and fear of the big stage or whatever it is. First thing he really needed was a sports psychologist, but IIRC he's typically refused that avenue.

Would be fun to see Simmons traded for Kyrie, not Harden. That way you don't increase your headcase count, you get someone who wants to play, probably wants to prove lots of people wrong, and bonus pts for the entertainment of watching KD's reaction, locked in to his new contract.

I'd rather keep Harden, get him on a strict offseason workout plan, and dump Kyrie in a three team trade that involves us getting back John Collins or Sabonis. Kyrie does not give a **** about this team

What exactly is Simmons going to do to help us?

Dude would need 2-3 weeks to get back into shape. Then we would have Cam Thomas and James Johnson for home games.

And after that who knows if mentally he could handle anything.

Harden for Simmons will be on the table in the off season. We all know it.

Once we flame out of the playoffs Nash will be fired. And Simmons will likely be traded for Harden.

Then you go into next season with KD/Simmons/full time Kyrie. Put some shooters around them. Pray it goes better.

Read.

I said I'd rather do a 3 team trade where we can get back Sabonis or Collins instead of Simmons.

If we have a healthy KD, getting one of either Maxey/Thybulle/Curry and Collins/Sabonis would balance out this roster regardless of Kyrie's stupid ass.

[Jay555]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

Yep whatever you like..

Harden will be gone shortly.

[MrDollarBills]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

You have a very short memory. Harden was putting up MVP level production before the hamstring injury last season. He was carrying this team while Kyrie was randomly disappearing and KD was hurt.

There is nothing you, Prok, or Paradise can say that will make me side with Kyrie over Harden. Harden came here to be apart of a super team, not have to carry a massive load. Nash has run him into the ground and a huge reason for that is because of Mr. Part Time. Kyrie is not here to win games he wants to chill. I can't stand him.

That being said, maybe the Nets should have just kept LeVert and Allen. This is what happens when you allow superstars to dictate what the GM does.

Who cares about last year?

That wasnt enough to make it worth it. Not to mention Kyrie was on that run with Harden. And Kyrie played more games than Harden did last year.

I'm not siding with Kyrie or Harden. I blame both of them.

I still think Harden trade was a mistake.

Should have kept Levert and Allen.

Harden has nearly played more games than Kyrie in less than a full season. Kyrie has been here since 2019.

I am blaming both of them too but if Kyrie was full time I doubt we are even having this discussion

[HardenGoat]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

You have a very short memory. Harden was putting up MVP level production before the hamstring injury last season. He was carrying this team while Kyrie was randomly disappearing and KD was hurt.

There is nothing you, Prok, or Paradise can say that will make me side with Kyrie over Harden. Harden came here to be apart of a super team, not have to carry a massive load. Nash has run him into the ground and a huge reason for that is because of Mr. Part Time. Kyrie is not here to win games he wants to chill. I can't stand him.

That being said, maybe the Nets should have just kept LeVert and Allen. This is what happens when you allow superstars to dictate what the GM does.

Who cares about last year?

That wasnt enough to make it worth it. Not to mention Kyrie was on that run with Harden. And Kyrie played more games than Harden did last year.

I'm not siding with Kyrie or Harden. I blame both of them.

I still think Harden trade was a mistake.

Should have kept Levert and Allen.

Harden was an iron horse though prior to the trade. Nobody could foresee him getting injured and he carried the team all year until then. If he didn’t go down we would have won a chip. That’s the truth.

[MrDollarBills]

You have a very short memory. Harden was putting up MVP level production before the hamstring injury last season. He was carrying this team while Kyrie was randomly disappearing and KD was hurt.

There is nothing you, Prok, or Paradise can say that will make me side with Kyrie over Harden. Harden came here to be apart of a super team, not have to carry a massive load. Nash has run him into the ground and a huge reason for that is because of Mr. Part Time. Kyrie is not here to win games he wants to chill. I can't stand him.

That being said, maybe the Nets should have just kept LeVert and Allen. This is what happens when you allow superstars to dictate what the GM does.

Who cares about last year?

That wasnt enough to make it worth it. Not to mention Kyrie was on that run with Harden. And Kyrie played more games than Harden did last year.

I'm not siding with Kyrie or Harden. I blame both of them.

I still think Harden trade was a mistake.

Should have kept Levert and Allen.

Harden was an iron horse though prior to the trade. Nobody could foresee him getting injured and he carried the team all year until then. If he didn’t go down we would have won a chip. That’s the truth.

Forcing his way to Brooklyn might have been a huge mistake on Harden’s part not gonna lie. I'm pretty sure he didn't come here to be run into the ground by Steve Nash.

[Jay555]

Who cares about last year?

That wasnt enough to make it worth it. Not to mention Kyrie was on that run with Harden. And Kyrie played more games than Harden did last year.

I'm not siding with Kyrie or Harden. I blame both of them.

I still think Harden trade was a mistake.

Should have kept Levert and Allen.

Harden was an iron horse though prior to the trade. Nobody could foresee him getting injured and he carried the team all year until then. If he didn’t go down we would have won a chip. That’s the truth.

Forcing his way to Brooklyn might have been a huge mistake on Harden’s part not gonna lie. I'm pretty sure he didn't come here to be run into the ground by Steve Nash.

Hence asking out.