Nets @ Chicken Nuggets 3:30 PM EST.

[Jay555]

You have a very short memory. Harden was putting up MVP level production before the hamstring injury last season. He was carrying this team while Kyrie was randomly disappearing and KD was hurt.

There is nothing you, Prok, or Paradise can say that will make me side with Kyrie over Harden. Harden came here to be apart of a super team, not have to carry a massive load. Nash has run him into the ground and a huge reason for that is because of Mr. Part Time. Kyrie is not here to win games he wants to chill. I can't stand him.

That being said, maybe the Nets should have just kept LeVert and Allen. This is what happens when you allow superstars to dictate what the GM does.

Who cares about last year?

That wasnt enough to make it worth it. Not to mention Kyrie was on that run with Harden. And Kyrie played more games than Harden did last year.

I'm not siding with Kyrie or Harden. I blame both of them.

I still think Harden trade was a mistake.

Should have kept Levert and Allen.

Harden was an iron horse though prior to the trade. Nobody could foresee him getting injured and he carried the team all year until then. If he didn’t go down we would have won a chip. That’s the truth.

He sure was. Mike D'antoni never overplayed him tho in Houston.

[Prokorov]

29 second half points. TWENTY-NINE. Against one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Who you just scored 75 points on. There is no excuse for Nash to have his offense score 29 second half points in a high possesison game vs. an awful defense that was playing awful.

1) Blake was 5/6 from deep. killing them on pick and pops. blake shot ONE three pointer in the second half. ONE!!! Even if he wasnt going to keep hitting them the idea that we didnt keep running that pick and pop to make Denver have to defend it is inexcuseable. pathetic.

2) pull up jumper by kyrie, pull up jumper by johnson, pull up jumper by mills, pull up jumper by thomas... that was our second half offense. no screens, no cutting, no reversing the ball to the weak side, no post ups, no pick and roll or pop. I mean, we are a jump shooting team, im fine shooting jumpers... but you need to at least try and get a good shot before settling for a pull up jumper.

3) dribble hand off... dribble handoff, dribble hand off. thats our entire offense. 0 creativity, super predictable and easy to trap to force someone besides kyrie to take a shot. This is an awful denver defense. the idea that you dont make them move, defend, have to switch, have to get through screens... its just horrific coaching.

4) Thomas/Kyrie with off shooting nights... maybe too many heat checks... but i mean with no offense to speak of they kind of have ot take those and hope they get hot.

5) Players played hard. playing in denver is hard. you cant get 0 coaching and expect to win. Im proud of the effort the team came out with. the coaching is an embarrassment.

Marks is officially in my doghouse. im watching guys like Forbes, Covington, Levert being traded for peanuts and marks does nothing in the midst of an 8-game losing streak with a team that DESPERATELY needs a shooter/scorer to help with the offensive load. Harris seems like he wont be back. Durant still a few weeks. and you give your coach no reason to worry about his job.

Marks AND Nash need to go.

[Prokorov]

James Johnson has been putrid for weeks now. So many mistakes on defense, can't shoot, turnovers, bad shots, etc.

Why does Nash keep starting him wtf

Cant blame Johnson. he is a 10-12 MPG role player. not a 30 mpg point-forward.

[Prokorov]

This team is struggling to score that’s why I said Ben Simmons is not a fit.

There is no trade that can save this team.

Nash has ruined any chance we have.

Marks won't fire him. We are doomed.

Only thing can save us is NYC changing the mandates and the big 3 plus role players like Harris, and Aldridge getting healthy

That wont save us... Kyrie playing home and away would be great... but i mean this is a long road trip, we have had him and are still losing. the coaching is terrible. Even with the big 3, we are going to be facing elite coaches in the playoffs.

[Prokorov]

Why did the Nets have a good first half?

Because the players came out strong and played well.

The second half we didn't make any adjustments. Nash doesn't know what an adjustment is.

So we got blown out. This is the reality.

Nash is a -20 every game. He is the worst coach I have ever seen.

First Half: Blake 5-6 from three.

Second Half: Blake Griffin 1 three point attempt.

that is 100000% awful coaching

[Prokorov]

Read on Twitter

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What happened after that? We will also find out soon enough.

We were in 1st place on Christmas and we had two excellent road wins before New Years.

Then Kyrie came back and the team just inexplicably fell off a cliff.

Inexplicably?

KD got hurt. I'd say that's a pretty clear explanation. Before KD went down we had been winning with Kyrie and embarrassed the Bulls.

glossing over KD getting hurt like we lost duke Jr is comical

[Prokorov]

Simmons' problem is his psychological issues regarding jump shooting from the field and the line. Dude was literally terrified to shoot FTs. Every other facet of his game is pretty much elite.

It's even worse, tho.

Imagine having a disappointing playoffs due to issues like these, then seeing other people as the problem, going on a season-long pout, and doubling down every chance there was an olive branch or opportunity to put the past behind him.

It sounds a lot to me like Rich Paul is essentially enabling the guy's prima donna nature and fear of the big stage or whatever it is. First thing he really needed was a sports psychologist, but IIRC he's typically refused that avenue.

Would be fun to see Simmons traded for Kyrie, not Harden. That way you don't increase your headcase count, you get someone who wants to play, probably wants to prove lots of people wrong, and bonus pts for the entertainment of watching KD's reaction, locked in to his new contract.

I'd rather keep Harden, get him on a strict offseason workout plan, and dump Kyrie in a three team trade that involves us getting back John Collins or Sabonis. Kyrie does not give a **** about this team

Kyrie cares as much as anyone on the team.

[Prokorov]

I still maintain the Harden trade was the biggest mistake this team made after the Nash hiring.

Harden was supposed to be an MVP level player. Who never got injured. Who would carry us. Who was insurance for when Kyrie went nuts.

He hasn't been that. Hes played like a fatter version of Brandon Ingram. Constantly injured. Out of shape. Loser. Carried by KD.

We should have kept Levert and Allen.Those guys could have made us a .500 team with KD out. Easily.

You have a very short memory. Harden was putting up MVP level production before the hamstring injury last season. He was carrying this team while Kyrie was randomly disappearing and KD was hurt.

There is nothing you, Prok, or Paradise can say that will make me side with Kyrie over Harden. Harden came here to be apart of a super team, not have to carry a massive load. Nash has run him into the ground and a huge reason for that is because of Mr. Part Time. Kyrie is not here to win games he wants to chill. I can't stand him.

That being said, maybe the Nets should have just kept LeVert and Allen. This is what happens when you allow superstars to dictate what the GM does.

Levert has been absolute trash, and oft injured. we dont miss him. not close.

We gave up peanuts for Harden. The little we have seen of the big 3 has been the best offense in NBA history and stopping every contender in our path. It was the right move.

[ecuhus1981]

KD wants everyone around him committed to winning? Then the person he needs to put the pressure on is Kyrie's paranoid ass..

He won't do it. So the dysfunction will continue

Yeah, I have trouble putting weight behind that statement.

For one, he didn't actually say it, sources informed Woj that he said it. So, it's 3rd hand information.

Two, if Kevin really believed this to the core, as you stated, he would tell Nash and Kyrie to shape up or ship out. Neither of them feel ANY job pressure whatsoever, so Durant can't really feel this way IMO. He might have said it, he might have *thought* he meant it, but his actions would belie his words.

[NetsJets]

There is no trade that can save this team.

Nash has ruined any chance we have.

Marks won't fire him. We are doomed.

Only thing can save us is NYC changing the mandates and the big 3 plus role players like Harris, and Aldridge getting healthy

That wont save us... Kyrie playing home and away would be great... but i mean this is a long road trip, we have had him and are still losing. the coaching is terrible. Even with the big 3, we are going to be facing elite coaches in the playoffs.

We’ve had him and Harden and KD only once this season.

[ecuhus1981]

Kidd shot 3's at a good clip whereas Simmons refuses to shoot. Simmons needs as much spacing as Harden but we can address that I suppose.

Eh, Kidd did not shoot 3's at a good clip until after he left us. The comparison is better than you're willing to admit.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kiddja01.html

[Jay555]

KD wants everyone around him committed to winning? Then the person he needs to put the pressure on is Kyrie's paranoid ass..

He won't do it. So the dysfunction will continue

Yeah, I have trouble putting weight behind that statement.

For one, he didn't actually say it, sources informed Woj that he said it. So, it's 3rd hand information.

Two, if Kevin really believed this to the core, as you stated, he would tell Nash and Kyrie to shape up or ship out. Neither of them feel ANY job pressure whatsoever, so Durant can't really feel this way IMO. He might have said it, he might have *thought* he meant it, but his actions would belie his words.

Notice Woj is Marks mouthpiece. Shams is more connected to players agent.

It's hard to know what's behind the scence until after the trade deadline. If Harden is gone, that means what KD said above was Marks trying to get more assets from Philly. I believe the neotiation is still ongoing. We will see.

[Jay555]

Kidd shot 3's at a good clip whereas Simmons refuses to shoot. Simmons needs as much spacing as Harden but we can address that I suppose.

Eh, Kidd did not shoot 3's at a good clip until after he left us. The comparison is better than you're willing to admit.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kiddja01.html

I was referring to his career 3pt%. It was not at a good clip sorry but it's still ok. Simmons was projected to be another Lebron lol if he can shoot since the draft. But I doubt he will be able to.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I'd rather keep Harden, get him on a strict offseason workout plan, and dump Kyrie in a three team trade that involves us getting back John Collins or Sabonis. Kyrie does not give a **** about this team

What exactly is Simmons going to do to help us?

Dude would need 2-3 weeks to get back into shape. Then we would have Cam Thomas and James Johnson for home games.

And after that who knows if mentally he could handle anything.

Harden for Simmons will be on the table in the off season. We all know it.

Once we flame out of the playoffs Nash will be fired. And Simmons will likely be traded for Harden.

Then you go into next season with KD/Simmons/full time Kyrie. Put some shooters around them. Pray it goes better.

Read.

I said I'd rather do a 3 team trade where we can get back Sabonis or Collins instead of Simmons.

If we have a healthy KD, getting one of either Maxey/Thybulle/Curry and Collins/Sabonis would balance out this roster regardless of Kyrie's stupid ass.

What do you mean read lol. I'm agreeing with you.

[Prokorov]

second re-watch is cringe worthy. We didnt even attempt a pick and pop or even a pick with blake the entire second half. we didnt score 7 possesions in a row early 3rd... yet we still ignored a hot hand and what worked in the first half.

WTF is running this offense? fire them and their backup and their backups backup

[MrDollarBills]

What exactly is Simmons going to do to help us?

Dude would need 2-3 weeks to get back into shape. Then we would have Cam Thomas and James Johnson for home games.

And after that who knows if mentally he could handle anything.

Harden for Simmons will be on the table in the off season. We all know it.

Once we flame out of the playoffs Nash will be fired. And Simmons will likely be traded for Harden.

Then you go into next season with KD/Simmons/full time Kyrie. Put some shooters around them. Pray it goes better.

Read.

I said I'd rather do a 3 team trade where we can get back Sabonis or Collins instead of Simmons.

If we have a healthy KD, getting one of either Maxey/Thybulle/Curry and Collins/Sabonis would balance out this roster regardless of Kyrie's stupid ass.

What do you mean read lol. I'm agreeing with you.

My bad dude I'm just so disgusted.

I need to probably take a break from the Nets and basketball in general. It's not fun anymore

[MrDollarBills]

second re-watch is cringe worthy. We didnt even attempt a pick and pop or even a pick with blake the entire second half. we didnt score 7 possesions in a row early 3rd... yet we still ignored a hot hand and what worked in the first half.

WTF is running this offense? fire them and their backup and their backups backup

The entire coaching staff needs to be purged.

[TheNetsFan]

second re-watch is cringe worthy. We didnt even attempt a pick and pop or even a pick with blake the entire second half. we didnt score 7 possesions in a row early 3rd... yet we still ignored a hot hand and what worked in the first half.

WTF is running this offense? fire them and their backup and their backups backup

People knocked Kyrie for his teams are making playoff adjustments against him, but I think most missed that as a knock on our coaches. Opposing coaches make halftime adjustments. We come out and get blown out in the third, because we make no adjustments or even predict the opposing team's adjustments.

[NetsJets]

Kyrie was always somehow stuck being posted up by Jokic or Gordon. Yet I never saw Kyrie isolated on the perimeter against Jokic or Boogie.

[ecuhus1981]

Kyrie was always somehow stuck being posted up by Jokic or Gordon. Yet I never saw Kyrie isolated on the perimeter against Jokic or Boogie.

Nash thinks it's sorcery or luck, really it's just average coaching that prevents teams from getting abused by switches.

It's my little litmus test for coaching acumen. Do your players scram and switch Willy Nilly, or according to some sort of observable plan? I see the former in us, almost all the time.

Steve likes to chastise our "energy and effort", and yes, sometimes our players lack in that department. More often, I see a player giving "energy and effort" to leave their man and close out on someone else's blown assignment, only to see their man flash to the basket with zero low-man or weak side help. Easy bucket for them, increased frustration and less incentive to give "energy and effort" for us.

We talk about the vets on this team like they're garbage, when under the right tutelage and in a system where everyone is accountable for correct coverage, they could thrive. Rookies can't learn good defensive habits in this environment, either.

It's why we need our absolute 100% healthy roster in order to live anywhere near our potential, but organized teams like Miami, Chicago and Toronto can trot out anyone and execute a focused brand of basketball. We don't have it. We had flashes of it last year, and over the summer I downplayed the losses of Mike and Ime. We feel their loss now.