Trade Deadline Discussion & Rumours - Raptors and NBA

[SurgeIblocka]

Then you expect the management to make a pretty major move on Thursday. We will see if it happens.

Not a major move but one that trades picks and salary balast to bolster the bench because this bench sucks other than Boucher

Not interested in it.

If you trade your first rounder it better be for a major player.

Lol you dont get players like Turner, Sabonis, Purtle without giving a pick, not sure what league you have been watching.

To me these players would be playing significant minutes like starters but come off the bench or start based on matchups. These are not star players but would be great supporting players

[Madhouse]

Not a major move but one that trades picks and salary balast to bolster the bench because this bench sucks other than Boucher

Not interested in it.

If you trade your first rounder it better be for a major player.

Lol you dont get players like Turner, Sabonis, Purtle without giving a pick, not sure what league you have been watching.

To me these players would be playing significant minutes like starters but come off the bench or start based on matchups. These are not star players but would be great supporting players

[SurgeIblocka]

Rather continue to draft well, package those drafted players (assuming we hit on the draft), with future assets for an actual superstar when he's available.

There will be no Kawhi available in the next two years and to bank on a once in a 20 year chance for that to happen is not good management. If you get solid players now if one star becomes available you can always trade those players for picks again to parlay for the star but you dont waste two years of Fred and Trent and Pascals current contracts to hope on low draft picks to help. Our core will eat more into our cap if they decide to re-sign with us

[WuTang_CMB]

Rather continue to draft well, package those drafted players (assuming we hit on the draft), with future assets for an actual superstar when he's available.

There will be no Kawhi available in the next two years and to bank on a once in a 20 year chance for that to happen is not good management. If you get solid players now if one star becomes available you can always trade those players for picks again to parlay for the star but you dont waste two years of Fred and Trent and Pascals current contracts to hope on low draft picks to help. Our core will eat more into our cap if they decide to re-sign with us

From Bobby at start of the year:

Toronto wants to build that kind of group again. While there might not be any truly elite talent developing in their system, the Raptors have begun to position themselves once again as the type of organization that can pounce on the next disgruntled superstar. Until then, they'll be building, complementing their core, and trying to be a surprise in the Eastern Conference.
"We haven't fully restocked the cupboard, but I think that's the direction that we're heading," Webster said.

[SurgeIblocka]

You all seem to forget our championship bench was Fred, Pascal, Serge/Gasol on any give night, Norm .

Thats what it takes to contend even with a star like Kawhi and starters like Lowry, Danny, and OG.

Right now our bench is basically Boucher with our Rookie Scottie with a bunch of YMCA players. We have no real center to compete with the elite and no real bench to give any kind of minutes support to this team in a 7 game playoff series which is all
About matchups. Thats just not fair

[SurgeIblocka]

Rather continue to draft well, package those drafted players (assuming we hit on the draft), with future assets for an actual superstar when he's available.

There will be no Kawhi available in the next two years and to bank on a once in a 20 year chance for that to happen is not good management. If you get solid players now if one star becomes available you can always trade those players for picks again to parlay for the star but you dont waste two years of Fred and Trent and Pascals current contracts to hope on low draft picks to help. Our core will eat more into our cap if they decide to re-sign with us

From Bobby at start of the year:

Toronto wants to build that kind of group again. While there might not be any truly elite talent developing in their system, the Raptors have begun to position themselves once again as the type of organization that can pounce on the next disgruntled superstar. Until then, they'll be building, complementing their core, and trying to be a surprise in the Eastern Conference.
"We haven't fully restocked the cupboard, but I think that's the direction that we're heading," Webster said.

That was at the start of the year where we did not know what impact Scottie would have, Pascal was coming off a terrible year with no hope of getting back to his 2019 form and our team contemplating trading him and our pg Fred who was not tested in running a team full time.

Like i said if we were at the bottom of the conference of course i wouldn't trade our pick.

This team has grown leaps and bounds and has proven they can compete with the best. That was an unknown for our management at the start.

A good management team adapts.

Gone are the days of tread-milling with low first round picks, and waisting years of our core.


Also above that quote you gave read what he said.
Complementing our core! Not adding to the core.

Everything i have been saying is to complement the core with a decent bench. We are not getting any superstar over the next two years and if we did it would gut the core to get that player with no guarantee of fit. The rest of the above excerpt was just the author putting their own input, Bobby never said they are positioning to get another star.

Restocking the cupboard means replacing the depleted bench we lost. We had a stellar bench and now we have sht.

[WuTang_CMB]

There will be no Kawhi available in the next two years and to bank on a once in a 20 year chance for that to happen is not good management. If you get solid players now if one star becomes available you can always trade those players for picks again to parlay for the star but you dont waste two years of Fred and Trent and Pascals current contracts to hope on low draft picks to help. Our core will eat more into our cap if they decide to re-sign with us

From Bobby at start of the year:

Toronto wants to build that kind of group again. While there might not be any truly elite talent developing in their system, the Raptors have begun to position themselves once again as the type of organization that can pounce on the next disgruntled superstar. Until then, they'll be building, complementing their core, and trying to be a surprise in the Eastern Conference.
"We haven't fully restocked the cupboard, but I think that's the direction that we're heading," Webster said.

That was at the start of the year where we did not know what impact Scottie would have, Pascal was coming off a terrible year with no hope of getting back to his 2019 form and our team contemplating trading him and our pg Fred who was not tested in running a team full time.

Like i said if we were at the bottom of the conference of course i wouldn't trade our pick.

This team has grown leaps and bounds and has proven they can compete with the best. That was an unknown for our management at the start.

A good management team adapts.

Gone are the days of tread-milling with low first round picks, and waisting years of our core.


Also above that quote you gave read what he said.
Complementing our core! Not adding to the core.

Everything i have been saying to complement the core with a decent bench. We are not getting any superstar over the next two years and if we did it would gut the core to get that player with no guarantee of fit.

He’s talking about restocking the cupboards ie. young assets. 14,15,16 we kept our firsts. You need them to add to the core and getting great value on their deals.
Love the aggressiveness but there’s probably a 10% chance we deal our FRP this year. Patience my friend. Things are going good no doubt but cant knee jerk and give up a first when you are just getting a solid role player. Its shortsighted at this stage.

[_MidNight_]

I think Boucher to Phoenix is the right move.

Send us back Jalen Smith

[SurgeIblocka]

I think Boucher to Phoenix is the right move.

Send us back Jalen Smith

Lol Boucher is better than Jalen Smith. Also just look what it did to our win totals. We end up getting worse in that trade.

[SurgeIblocka]

From Bobby at start of the year:

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That was at the start of the year where we did not know what impact Scottie would have, Pascal was coming off a terrible year with no hope of getting back to his 2019 form and our team contemplating trading him and our pg Fred who was not tested in running a team full time.

Like i said if we were at the bottom of the conference of course i wouldn't trade our pick.

This team has grown leaps and bounds and has proven they can compete with the best. That was an unknown for our management at the start.

A good management team adapts.

Gone are the days of tread-milling with low first round picks, and waisting years of our core.


Also above that quote you gave read what he said.
Complementing our core! Not adding to the core.

Everything i have been saying to complement the core with a decent bench. We are not getting any superstar over the next two years and if we did it would gut the core to get that player with no guarantee of fit.

He’s talking about restocking the cupboards ie. young assets. 14,15,16 we kept our firsts. You need them to add to the core and getting great value on their deals.
Love the aggressiveness but there’s probably a 10% chance we deal our FRP this year. Patience my friend. Things are going good no doubt but cant knee jerk and give up a first when you are just getting a solid role player. Its shortsighted at this stage.

Hes talking about restocking the cupboards with talent not draft picks. That talent would come from trades because we have no capspace.

Which star are you expecting to be available and what would it take to get them?

Your not getting KD, Steph, Embiid, Bron, Jokic, . Who do you plan to trade these 15th selection picks for ? And when you make the pick what if they become a bruno and are worthless what are you trading with now?

Just look at the best team in the league in Phoenix! Use that as an example of what we should be aiming for. They have a solid bench, their starters are comparable to us minus our center position.

Other star targets you may have in mind?
Harden cant lead no team to the finals
Embiid can’t do it himself without a solid supporting cast

Just look at how quickly last years darling Hawks have dropped to where they need to trade assets.

Evidence is all over the league if you really open your eyes

[WuTang_CMB]

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[_MidNight_]

I think Boucher to Phoenix is the right move.

Send us back Jalen Smith

Lol Boucher is better than Jalen Smith. Also just look what it did to our win totals. We end up getting worse in that trade.

Given the same opportunity I don't know about that.

There's also this...

[WuTang_CMB]

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That was at the start of the year where we did not know what impact Scottie would have, Pascal was coming off a terrible year with no hope of getting back to his 2019 form and our team contemplating trading him and our pg Fred who was not tested in running a team full time.

Like i said if we were at the bottom of the conference of course i wouldn't trade our pick.

This team has grown leaps and bounds and has proven they can compete with the best. That was an unknown for our management at the start.

A good management team adapts.

Gone are the days of tread-milling with low first round picks, and waisting years of our core.


Also above that quote you gave read what he said.
Complementing our core! Not adding to the core.

Everything i have been saying to complement the core with a decent bench. We are not getting any superstar over the next two years and if we did it would gut the core to get that player with no guarantee of fit.

He’s talking about restocking the cupboards ie. young assets. 14,15,16 we kept our firsts. You need them to add to the core and getting great value on their deals.
Love the aggressiveness but there’s probably a 10% chance we deal our FRP this year. Patience my friend. Things are going good no doubt but cant knee jerk and give up a first when you are just getting a solid role player. Its shortsighted at this stage.

Hes talking about restocking the cupboards with talent not draft picks. That talent would come from trades because we have no capspace.

Which star are you expecting to be available and what would it take to get them?

Your not getting KD, Steph, Embiid, Bron, Jokic, . Who do you plan to trade these 15th selection picks for ? And when you make the pick what if they become a bruno and are worthless what are you trading with now?

Just look at the best team in the league in Phoenix! Use that as an example of what we should be aiming for. They have a solid bench, their starters are comparable to us minus our center position.

Other star targets you may have in mind?
Harden cant lead no team to the finals
Embiid can’t do it himself without a solid supporting cast

Just look at how quickly last years darling Hawks have dropped to where they need to trade assets.

Evidence is all over the league if you really open your eyes

These are his words lol not mine. And the recipe has already been done. His reference to restocking the shelves is drafting and developing which is what this management group is known for. We arent going to forfeit our FRP in year 1 for a role player that wont start. Its shortsighted and doesnt move the needle. Pay attention to how we’ve built this team the last 6 years. Patience and develop, with elite asset management. Masai will find an under the radar move for cheap.

[Madhouse]

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[mdenny]

Does anyone think we'd have any chance of getting Poetl without losing a FRP? Probably substituting Precious?

Something like Precious/Boucher/Flynn for Poetl? I'm guessing it's not enough. Possibly add future SRPs?

[Mark_83]

What do you guys think about the Mo Bamba rumor? Apparently they're willing to move him for a FRP. Would be an interesting addition to replace Boucher next year. Adds a shot-blocking dimension and three point shot, and has a bit more weight than Chris to play against other bigs.

[alan_156]

Not a major move but one that trades picks and salary balast to bolster the bench because this bench sucks other than Boucher

Not interested in it.

If you trade your first rounder it better be for a major player.

Lol you dont get players like Turner, Sabonis, Purtle without giving a pick, not sure what league you have been watching.

To me these players would be playing significant minutes like starters but come off the bench or start based on matchups. These are not star players but would be great supporting players

Either sabonis or Turner are worth a 1st round pick.

[SurgeIblocka]

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Love his attitude and he ain't no push over. We need to get him!

[redeye514]

Rather continue to draft well, package those drafted players (assuming we hit on the draft), with future assets for an actual superstar when he's available.

There will be no Kawhi available in the next two years and to bank on a once in a 20 year chance for that to happen is not good management. If you get solid players now if one star becomes available you can always trade those players for picks again to parlay for the star but you dont waste two years of Fred and Trent and Pascals current contracts to hope on low draft picks to help. Our core will eat more into our cap if they decide to re-sign with us

From Bobby at start of the year:

Toronto wants to build that kind of group again. While there might not be any truly elite talent developing in their system, the Raptors have begun to position themselves once again as the type of organization that can pounce on the next disgruntled superstar. Until then, they'll be building, complementing their core, and trying to be a surprise in the Eastern Conference.
"We haven't fully restocked the cupboard, but I think that's the direction that we're heading," Webster said.

WuTang, trading a FRP does not mean you are losing a tradeable asset. If the incoming player is relatively young, on a good contract and still has upside, trading a FRP can still be a part of a “restock the cupboard” strategy. We can still maintain the tradeable assets we need for a potential ‘superstar trade’ down the road.

In fact, Masai has already proven a willingness to do this, check Ross +FRP for Ibaka deal.. we weren’t necessarily a true title contender when that pick was dealt.. nor did it kill our asset base in order to do a Kawhi deal. We can have the best of both worlds.. turn FRP into a player who can help now, while still maintaining our assets for a future superstar deal if the opportunity arises.

Having said that, my gut says that Masai / Bobby have a safety net basket of C+/B- calibre players that we could go out and get one of right now with a combo of Dragic + Flynn, but NO FRP… however, we also have a basket of B+ / A- calibre players that we would like to get, and would be willing to give a FRP in order to get, but the opposite team is holding out for more than our FRP.

So one of 3 things will happen:

1. Raps hoping opposite team caves and accepts our offer as is, trading us the B+ / A- calibre player for Dragic / Flynn / FRP, or

2. Raps cave and we sweeten the pot further (Add one or two SRPs, maybe a second FRP if the players a true star, it really all depending on how high a calibre of player it is and how badly our front office wants them, or

3. We revert back to our safety net and trade for B- / C+ calibre player without giving up any picks.

Shall be interesting to see what unfolds.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

What do you guys think about the Mo Bamba rumor? Apparently they're willing to move him for a FRP. Would be an interesting addition to replace Boucher next year. Adds a shot-blocking dimension and three point shot, and has a bit more weight than Chris to play against other bigs.

hell ya. I think he's a good decent project but of course, webster and masai has to like his mental make up as well. they don't like players that do not play overall two way basketball