2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Ell Curry]

The only crazy mega trade I can think of is:

Barnes, Precious, Dragic for Gobert, if the Mitchell Gobert beef is real.

We suddenly have a crazy good starting 5 that is reminiscent of the 2003-2004 Pistons, with dominant defensive players who can score in all five starting positions. We’d still need to fill in the bench with a backup guard (Tj mconnel?) but that’s a dangerous team.

I hate the idea of trading Barnes, and I think that any trade of home probably bites us. But yeesh, that’s a killer team.

IF we moved Barnes to Utah it would be for Mitchell, not Gobert.

FVV, Mitchell and Trent playing 35 minutes only put Trent at the 3 for 9 minutes and then OG plays the rest at the 3, Siakam at the 4 and we have the same issue as now at the 5.

I don't like it and it goes against Masai and Nurse' plan to go with big wings all over the floor, but it's a hell of a lot better than adding Gobert on his deal.

[Madhouse]

The only crazy mega trade I can think of is:

Barnes, Precious, Dragic for Gobert, if the Mitchell Gobert beef is real.

We suddenly have a crazy good starting 5 that is reminiscent of the 2003-2004 Pistons, with dominant defensive players who can score in all five starting positions. We’d still need to fill in the bench with a backup guard (Tj mconnel?) but that’s a dangerous team.

I hate the idea of trading Barnes, and I think that any trade of home probably bites us. But yeesh, that’s a killer team.

I like this a lot more than benching Barnes for Poeltl/Turner etc.

I would do it if the Raptors would willing to go into the tax.

[Ell Curry]

Hart looks pretty good. Great timing on cuts (nice with Barnes and Siakam passing) and a tough, smart rebounder. No idea what he looks like off the dribble because Ingram and JV are very Iso-players.

Also JV dominated Wood in the post. Hayes had a huge game too. I think I retract my Wood is sort of intriguing comments from earlier.

[MoneyBall]

Richaun Holmes from SAC would be a real nice addition. Birch + Flynn + 2022 FRP.

[Asif16]

Hart looks pretty good. Great timing on cuts (nice with Barnes and Siakam passing) and a tough, smart rebounder. No idea what he looks like off the dribble because Ingram and JV are very Iso-players.

Also JV dominated Wood in the post. Hayes had a huge game too. I think I retract my Wood is sort of intriguing comments from earlier.

Hart would be ideal but I think the only way the Raptors get him is in a 3-way where the Pelicans are getting a better player. They're finally winning and are now in a play-in spot. I dont think they give up Hart in a deal for lesser players/picks.

One possibility might be New Orleans getting CJ McColum, Portland getting Dragiuc and multiple Picks, and the Raptors getting Josh Hart. Something like that.

[Blood Orange]

Small deal

Clippers in: Dragic
Clippers out: Zubac, Kennard

Toronto in: Zubac, Ingles
Toronto out: Gragic

Jazz in: Kennard
Jazz out: Ingles





Why for Clippers?
-They get a back up point guard in Gragic

Why for Raptors?
-They get a back up 5 in Zubac

Why for the Jazz?
-They get additional shooting off the bench with Kennard

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Harrison Barnes for Dragic Flynn FRP
Can this be expanded to include Bagley

[tecumseh18]

Small deal

Clippers in: Dragic
Clippers out: Zubac, Kennard

Toronto in: Zubac, Ingles
Toronto out: Gragic

Jazz in: Kennard
Jazz out: Ingles







Why for Clippers?
-They get a back up point guard in Gragic

Why for Raptors?
-They get a back up 5 in Zubac

Why for the Jazz?
-They get additional shooting off the bench with Kennard

I like it, although I'm not sure Zubac is someone Nurse would play. But as constructed, the Raps go back into the tax, which is NOT going to happen. Another Raptors has to go out. Ideally, Raps can clear another 1.2 mill under the tax threshold, which would allow them to bring in two buy-outs. We really need some bench depth.

[Zeno]

If nothing more sexy comes up, I think we do Dragic, Boucher for Gallo, Dieng. Saves 2 million. Gallo offers more scoring pop off the bench. Dieng is a somewhat reasonable actual C who can shoot a little. I think Masai and Bobby wouldn't mind having the place holder salary on the books around the draft incase of trade. Has 5 million guaranteed. It is kind of a punt move.

[nivisi9]

I'd be using these combo of assets:

Boucher, Flynn, Birch, 1st round picks, 2nd round picks, Yuta

for a trade package to New Orleans for:

-Josh Hart
-NAW

and grab on the cheap and likely to move from Phoenix:

- Jalen Smith (who's been basically Boucher with less mins and has more potential)

FVV / Banton
GTJ / NAW
OG / Hart
Siakam / Achuiwa
Barnes / Smith

[tecumseh18]

If nothing more sexy comes up, I think we do Dragic, Boucher for Gallo, Dieng. Saves 2 million. Gallo offers more scoring pop off the bench. Dieng is a somewhat reasonable actual C who can shoot a little. I think Masai and Bobby wouldn't mind having the place holder salary on the books around the draft incase of trade. Has 5 million guaranteed. It is kind of a punt move.

But then who backs up Fred? Raps need to use Dragic to get a decent vet combo guard off the bench.

Also, Boucher is better than any of those guys. Dieng is one of those guys who seems like he should be good, but for some reason he never gets playing time.

[Zeno]

If nothing more sexy comes up, I think we do Dragic, Boucher for Gallo, Dieng. Saves 2 million. Gallo offers more scoring pop off the bench. Dieng is a somewhat reasonable actual C who can shoot a little. I think Masai and Bobby wouldn't mind having the place holder salary on the books around the draft incase of trade. Has 5 million guaranteed. It is kind of a punt move.

But then who backs up Fred? Raps need to use Dragic to get a decent vet combo guard off the bench.

Also, Boucher is better than any of those guys. Dieng is one of those guys who seems like he should be good, but for some reason he never gets playing time.

Well we'd have the extra 2 million under the tax and the roster spot to use. Not in love with this trade as I said. Maybe need a 2nd to do it from the Hawks in retrospect...even then maybe not.

[MoneyBall]

Harrison Barnes for Dragic Flynn FRP
Can this be expanded to include Bagley

I thought of the same thing minus Bagley. I don't know if I really want that Barnes to take away minutes from our Barnes though... either that or have him be an elite 6th man off the bench. Would definitely give Nurse a lot of interesting options going forward with this positionless basketball stuff.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Harrison Barnes for Dragic Flynn FRP
Can this be expanded to include Bagley

I thought of the same thing minus Bagley. I don't know if I really want that Barnes to take away minutes from our Barnes though... either that or have him be an elite 6th man off the bench. Would definitely give Nurse a lot of interesting options going forward with this positionless basketball stuff.

I don't think it will. if anything we can cut down on siakam minutes, and having an extra offensive option will allow flynn/banton/precious to get more minutes without coughing up a huge run.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Harrison Barnes for Dragic Flynn FRP
Can this be expanded to include Bagley

I thought of the same thing minus Bagley. I don't know if I really want that Barnes to take away minutes from our Barnes though... either that or have him be an elite 6th man off the bench. Would definitely give Nurse a lot of interesting options going forward with this positionless basketball stuff.

its really just another wing player. If Barnes and Siakam are our primary ball handler for the second unit before FVV comes back on, H.Barnes can play a wing scorer to fill in the Yuta and Svi role.

i think they won't get another guard as they will play one of those two guys to fill that position.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Small-ball has defined so much of the past half-decade, which is why it’s interesting that backup center has been the most commonly discussed position from so many teams in recent days. The Phoenix Suns have taken calls from the Denver Nuggets, Detroit Pistons, Washington Wizards, San Antonio Spurs, and Toronto Raptors for young backup Jalen Smith. The Pistons’ offer includes Rodney McGruder who was first included in a failed trade for Denver’s Bol Bol (now with Boston).

from https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-intel-james-harden-ben-simmons-harrison-barnes-2022

for whatever its worth

[earth007]

I don't understand some of these trade ideas at all. Masai would never give up a FRP for scrubs like Mumba. The only times he traded FRPs, we got a borderline all star or a star player. Lets say we get Myles Turner. Does anyone think he's going to move the needle for this team? He definitely can't guard Embid. In fact, no one can't guard Embid, unless we go back in time and get a younger version of Marc Gasol. This FO is not going to give up a FRP, just to do a trade to get knocked out of 2nd or 1st round. I mean, most of our core players were drafted in late first or 2nd round.

Considering how deep this draft is, they would have to be high to give up their FRP. They have a vision, which is to have a team that can play position-less bbl, with a lot of length and athleticism. I watched Banton play in a couple of 905 matches, and this guy is going to be the starting PG in about 2 years. He is already hitting step-back threes and the sneakily athletic. He just needs to slow the game game down, which comes with time and more reps.

If at all, I think the raptors would try to get Gallo or Bogdan for Dragic, cos the Hawks need cap space to re-sign their guys this off-season. And may be try to get smith for a 2nd from PHO. We need scoring off the bench first and foremost. Gallo or Bogdan will help the team in that regard. It's better to let Siakam, Precious, Boucher and Scottie to defend the opposing Cs by committee than to over-pay for an average big that won't move the needle anyway.

[Chpwags]

Turner is basically a younger Ibaka and we gave up Ross and a first to get him. I would have no problem trading Dragic and a lotto protected first for him. The slight issue is that we would end up with 6 starter caliber players and one of them might not like being a 6th man so re-signing one of Trent or Turner might be an issue when there contracts expire.

I would take Gallinari if they gave us a first round pick. They are going to be a luxury tax team next season with him and I don't think he fits there timeline and he is injury prone. They are going to have to give up an asset to dump him. They got a first in the Reddish trade and I would take that pick.

[MikeM]

Don't we want to take back a guy who has salary after this year so we maintain that salary slot? So like Bledsoe, Dinwiddie, Beasley types who give us that slot next year but also can play a bit off the bench. And then the team adds a sweetener to get us to take them. But really we kinda want them anyways.

[Rodrickle]

Don't we want to take back a guy who has salary after this year so we maintain that salary slot? So like Bledsoe, Dinwiddie, Beasley types who give us that slot next year but also can play a bit off the bench. And then the team adds a sweetener to get us to take them. But really we kinda want them anyways.

Bledsoe won't likely be guaranteed next year.

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