Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[mhd]

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Please Phoenix, save us from ourselves!

[Dark Faze]

If there are better teams interested, Sabonis and his agent would be wise to try to nudge Indiana away from Washington and in those directions.

[nate33]

Here's a palatable Sabonis deal. Basically, we get the necessary first rounders by shipping out Kuzma and Harrell:

WAS trades: Kuzma, Harrell, Kispert, Bryant
WAS receives: Sabonis, Saric, Derrick Jones Jr. (expiring)

IND trades: Sabonis
IND receives: Kispert, Bryant, Troy Brown, 2022 1st (from ATL), 2024 1st (from PHO)

CHI trades: 2022 1st (via ATL), Derrick Jones Jr., Troy Brown
CHI receives: Kuzma

PHO trades: Dario Saric, 2024 1st (lotto protected)
PHO receives: Montrez Harrell

Our team next year:
PG Dinwiddie/2022 lotto pick
SG Beal/KCP
SF Avdija/KCP
PF Hachimura/Bertans
C Sabonis/Gafford/Saric

It would be more elegant if Saric's contract was expiring, but that salary burden is the price we pay for extracting a pick from Phoenix in the Harrell trade. And you never know, Saric might play well when he gets healthy and return something useful in a trade at the next deadline.

I considered sending Hachimura in place of Kispert, but decided that a team with Beal and Sabonis on the floor desperately needs strong defenders at every other position. I'll take Hachimura's defense over Kispert's offense, particularly since it appears that Hachimura has figured out how to shoot 3's. Likewise, I'm not lamenting the departure of Kuzma since I think his volume scoring isn't as valuable as a 3rd option alongside Beal and Sabonis as it was when he was the 2nd option. Ultimately, Sabonis will always be surrounded by strong defenders in the front court with some combination of Avdija, Hachimura, KCP and Gafford.

It might be worth exploring to see if Dinwiddie can be dumped in another trade, but I think I'd prefer to keep him and see if he can make things work out on a Sabonis-led team. Dinwiddie plays a slow, methodical pace, which isn't so great next to guys like Gafford and Kuzma, but Sabonis is a half-court guy too. Maybe Sabonis' superior pick-setting will help revive Dinwiddie's pick and roll game.

If we could get Chicago to throw in Coby White in place of DJJ, that would be fantastic, but probably too unrealistic.

[Ruzious]

Rui is pretty solid, deni have so much potential, and kisperts advanced stats are good. I want a rebuild I'm done wondering around the pack of the play off brackets
I don't wanna trade deni and Kispert before they reach their max values just for a treadmill team with a maxed Beal.




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I mean... they're solid talents, but I just don't see any all-star potential there - regardless of whether or not they should be traded. And this talk about trading for a guy like Sabonis... they're not good enough to be a centerpiece to get a Sabonis, so there's no worries about that.

I don't have anything aginst sabonis. He's a great player but putting him with Beal on a Max deal? Does that win is a tittle? No, it doesn't. I really wanna trade Beal and move on. So trading all our young playable players for a dude who isn't gonna win is a ring, upsets me. And that's the point there is a trade to make probably not 3 trades to make that win us a tittle with Beal on a Max contract. So what's the point. Move on.

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My point is this is a completely fan made-up concern. The young players we have other than Beal aren't enough to get Sabonis, so this being upset thing is all made up. There are plenty of real things to be upset about without making more up.

[Eli Babak]

Here's a palatable Sabonis deal. Basically, we get the necessary first rounders by shipping out Kuzma and Harrell:

WAS trades: Kuzma, Harrell, Kispert, Bryant
WAS receives: Sabonis, Saric, Derrick Jones Jr. (expiring)

IND trades: Sabonis
IND receives: Kispert, Bryant, Troy Brown, 2022 1st (from ATL), 2024 1st (from PHO)

CHI trades: 2022 1st (via ATL), Derrick Jones Jr., Troy Brown
CHI receives: Kuzma

PHO trades: Dario Saric, 2024 1st (lotto protected)
PHO receives: Montrez Harrell

That'd be amazing for Wiz, but unfortunately...

- Sabonis is 2x all-star and people seem to value him fairly high. 2 meh picks and 3 meh youngsters just aren't enough.

- Chicago doesn't have Atlanta's 1st - I guess you mean Portland's pick and it's lotto-protected through 2028 and then turns into a 2nd. Bulls would most likely do that trade tough.

- Phoenix seem to be happy with Ayton/McGee/Biyombo at center. I don't see why they would trade a 1st for Harrell.

Oh man. ~Three long, scary days left.

[Frichuela]

Here's a palatable Sabonis deal. Basically, we get the necessary first rounders by shipping out Kuzma and Harrell:

WAS trades: Kuzma, Harrell, Kispert, Bryant
WAS receives: Sabonis, Saric, Derrick Jones Jr. (expiring)

IND trades: Sabonis
IND receives: Kispert, Bryant, Troy Brown, 2022 1st (from ATL), 2024 1st (from PHO)

CHI trades: 2022 1st (via ATL), Derrick Jones Jr., Troy Brown
CHI receives: Kuzma

PHO trades: Dario Saric, 2024 1st (lotto protected)
PHO receives: Montrez Harrell

That'd be amazing for Wiz, but unfortunately...

- Sabonis is 2x all-star and people seem to value him fairly high. 2 meh picks and 3 meh youngsters just aren't enough.

- Chicago doesn't have Atlanta's 1st - I guess you mean Portland's pick and it's lotto-protected through 2028 and then turns into a 2nd. Bulls would most likely do that trade tough.

- Phoenix seem to be happy with Ayton/McGee/Biyombo at center. I don't see why they would trade a 1st for Harrell.

Oh man. ~Three long, scary days left.

Agreed. I think either Hachimura or Avdija would have to go (in place of Kispert)...hopefully Rui, as I think Deni fits very well with Sabonis.

On trading Harrell, Memphis could be another candidate as they have 3 1st rounders this draft..

[nate33]

Here's a palatable Sabonis deal. Basically, we get the necessary first rounders by shipping out Kuzma and Harrell:

WAS trades: Kuzma, Harrell, Kispert, Bryant
WAS receives: Sabonis, Saric, Derrick Jones Jr. (expiring)

IND trades: Sabonis
IND receives: Kispert, Bryant, Troy Brown, 2022 1st (from ATL), 2024 1st (from PHO)

CHI trades: 2022 1st (via ATL), Derrick Jones Jr., Troy Brown
CHI receives: Kuzma

PHO trades: Dario Saric, 2024 1st (lotto protected)
PHO receives: Montrez Harrell

That'd be amazing for Wiz, but unfortunately...

- Sabonis is 2x all-star and people seem to value him fairly high. 2 meh picks and 3 meh youngsters just aren't enough.

- Chicago doesn't have Atlanta's 1st - I guess you mean Portland's pick and it's lotto-protected through 2028 and then turns into a 2nd. Bulls would most likely do that trade tough.

- Phoenix seem to be happy with Ayton/McGee/Biyombo at center. I don't see why they would trade a 1st for Harrell.

Oh man. ~Three long, scary days left.

I heard somewhere, I think it was from Zach Lowe's podcast, that Phoenix is looking to upgrade at center for the playoffs. I don't think their urgency is all that great, but if the upgrade also comes with some salary relief next year, I think they'd do it. But perhaps involving a different 3rd party would make things work. It's tough though. The teams that really need help at center lack the salary ballast.

And yes, I meant the Portland pick. If Portland keeps Lillard, I think that pick has value because it's a pretty good bet they make the playoffs at least one more time.

[FAH1223]

Doubt Phoenix is going to trade for Sabonis.

They have the best record, one of the best offenses, and one of the best defenses.

There's a real risk of losing Ayrton, you can't dedicate a good chunk of your cap to one dimensional bigs like Ayton and the decision not to make him a center piece has seemingly already been made with their recent extensions.

For Phoenix this might be a good deal to kick the can down the road a little bit further.

Ayton is a RFA. The Suns can match any offer. I doubt Ayton is going to play on the QO for a year.

[FAH1223]

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[Frichuela]

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Man...in a rational world Tommy should be all over this: trade Beal and extract as much value as possible from Philly. But our genius owner won't allow it

[Eli Babak]

I heard somewhere, I think it was from Zach Lowe's podcast, that Phoenix is looking to upgrade at center for the playoffs. I don't think their urgency is all that great, but if the upgrade also comes with some salary relief next year, I think they'd do it. But perhaps involving a different 3rd party would make things work. It's tough though. The teams that really need help at center lack the salary ballast.

And yes, I meant the Portland pick. If Portland keeps Lillard, I think that pick has value because it's a pretty good bet they make the playoffs at least one more time.

I think Harrell has struggled in the playoffs (that's what folks say lol) and I'm sure Phoenix could find a better fit with that Saric/1st-package.

Yea, the Portland pick does have some value, but it would still only be somewhere in 15-25 range.

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I'd trade Beal for Simmons and start building the team with a "defense first" mentality. Surround Simmons with shooters and so on.

[Frichuela]

Well said below...

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[Ruzious]

Well said below...

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The mole being Quintin Mayo?

[Frichuela]

Another iteration on what trade Tommy (and his co-GM Beal) may do in his attempt to land Sabonis:

WAS trades KCP, Harrell, Rui, Bryant, Holiday + WAS 2025 1st and gets Sabonis, Craig, Coby White and Bradley
OKC gets Bryant + removed protections of WAS 2023 for PHO 2022 1st via OKC
CHI gets KCP+Harrell for Coby White, T Brown, D Jones, T Bradley
IND gets Rui+ fodder (T Brown, D Jones, Holiday)+WAS 2025 1st + PHO 2022 1st

Indiana gets a blue chip prospect (Rui) + 2 first rounders (both unprotected). I know PHO 2022 1st looks to be 25-30 but at least is unprotected....
OKC gets a shot at Bryant + bet on WAS collapsing next year and the pick hitting the lottery.
CHI gets help in their playoff push (KCP, Harrell) at the cost of Coby White.

For us, this is how our roster would look like:

Dinwiddie/C White
Beal/Kispert
Deni/Craig
Kuz/Bertans
Sabonis/Gafford

Improved 3 pt shooting with the addition of White and hopefully Beal&co benefiting from Sabonis for better 3 pt looks.
Defensively, we count on Deni+Kuz+Craig to help address the shortcomings of Sabonis (plus Gafford off the bench).

[Frichuela]

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100%

[nate33]

If there are better teams interested, Sabonis and his agent would be wise to try to nudge Indiana away from Washington and in those directions.

Yeah, after looking around on the trade board, it is evident that the Wizards simply can't offer a competitive Sabonis offer unless they include Avdija and Kispert and a future pick. But since all their picks are encumbered until 2027, they would probably have to lift the protection on the pick owed to OKC. So basically, the package would be: Avdija, Kispert, unprotect the 2023 pick, and trade Indy the 2025 pick.

That's a MASSIVE hail Mary gamble for a guy with only 2 years on his deal. Also, it would be damn close to impossible to maintain a capable roster around Beal and Sabonis when both are on max deals and our stockpile of cheap rookie contract guys (and future rookie contract guys) is so depleted.

Next year alone we'd be paying $122M for just 6 guys: Beal, Sabonis, Dinwiddie, Bertans, KCP and Kuzma. Leaving us with $25M to pay the other 9 guys on the roster. Basically, it's Rui, Gafford, our draft pick, and minimum salary guys.

The year after that, we'd be paying $113M for just Beal, Sabonis, Dinwiddie, Gafford and Bertans. There are no starting forwards in that group. We'd have maybe $32M or so to resign Kuzma and/or Hachimura, replace KCP, pay our 2022 draft pick, and fill out our bench.

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Hilarious

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I would be incredibly upset if Tommy was forced to do any of these trades. We have great young tallent...... I'd rather trade Beal and move on.....

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Part of me just hopes we trade for a guard. An actual PG.

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

That's who they really should pursue. Haliburton isn't happening. SGA here with Bradley going to Boston would be thrilling to me.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

You are actually reading my mind. Something I did not post yesterday. I had the thought that with the 10th pick the wizard select Drew Timme.

There will be some murmuring in the draft room that night. I can hear them saying that the Wizards wish they could have selected Chet Holmgren but that somehow they fell back in the draft.