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mdenny wrote:Does anyone think we'd have any chance of getting Poetl without losing a FRP? Probably substituting Precious?
Something like Precious/Boucher/Flynn for Poetl? I'm guessing it's not enough. Possibly add future SRPs?
SurgeIblocka wrote:You all seem to forget our championship bench was Fred, Pascal, Serge/Gasol on any give night, Norm .
Thats what it takes to contend even with a star like Kawhi and starters like Lowry, Danny, and OG.
Right now our bench is basically Boucher with our Rookie Scottie with a bunch of YMCA players. We have no real center to compete with the elite and no real bench to give any kind of minutes support to this team in a 7 game playoff series which is all
About matchups. Thats just not fair
Mark_83 wrote:What do you guys think about the Mo Bamba rumor? Apparently they're willing to move him for a FRP. Would be an interesting addition to replace Boucher next year. Adds a shot-blocking dimension and three point shot, and has a bit more weight than Chris to play against other bigs.
redeye514 wrote:mdenny wrote:Does anyone think we'd have any chance of getting Poetl without losing a FRP? Probably substituting Precious?
Something like Precious/Boucher/Flynn for Poetl? I'm guessing it's not enough. Possibly add future SRPs?
Nah, for Poetle it has to be FRP + Flynn + some sweetener that we get for Dragic from a third team. And even then it may not be enough.. SAS prob still wants a SRP at minimum.
mtcan wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:When have we ever traded with the Celtics. The Celtics have a dearth of young bigs and are going to trade their only decent one and build around a 35 year old Hordford? Nah.
Kenny Anderson for Dee Brown and Eric Montross.
Alvin Williams was almost traded for Danny Fortson until someone failed a physical.
Raps1103 wrote:mtcan wrote:SurgeIblocka wrote:
Have you not been watching this team! This team can go against any team in this league and have a strong chance of beating them in a series. When you have a team like that you need to forget about draft picks. Teams like OKC, Kings, Cavs, Detroit, Wolves, Portland, Pacers etc can keep playing the draft game. We are not those teams anymore we have learned what it takes to win in this league. Hoping to draft the next superstar at 14 or 15th draft slot is what causes teams to consistently never build a contender and have to break it up.
3 of our starters are champions and you dont support them over the next two years with just draft capital!
I need to see us beat some contenders at full strength before I'm willing to start betting the farm. It's fun to watch us beat the Heat and Bulls...but neither are at their best.
Cmon man.. really ?? Are we STILL doing the “fake wins” thing??? .. you know .. every team is winning games against other teams that are missing players !
redeye514 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:SurgeIblocka wrote:
There will be no Kawhi available in the next two years and to bank on a once in a 20 year chance for that to happen is not good management. If you get solid players now if one star becomes available you can always trade those players for picks again to parlay for the star but you dont waste two years of Fred and Trent and Pascals current contracts to hope on low draft picks to help. Our core will eat more into our cap if they decide to re-sign with us
From Bobby at start of the year:Toronto wants to build that kind of group again. While there might not be any truly elite talent developing in their system, the Raptors have begun to position themselves once again as the type of organization that can pounce on the next disgruntled superstar. Until then, they'll be building, complementing their core, and trying to be a surprise in the Eastern Conference.
"We haven't fully restocked the cupboard, but I think that's the direction that we're heading," Webster said.
WuTang, trading a FRP does not mean you are losing a tradeable asset. If the incoming player is relatively young, on a good contract and still has upside, trading a FRP can still be a part of a “restock the cupboard” strategy. We can still maintain the tradeable assets we need for a potential ‘superstar trade’ down the road.
In fact, Masai has already proven a willingness to do this, check Ross +FRP for Ibaka deal.. we weren’t necessarily a true title contender when that pick was dealt.. nor did it kill our asset base in order to do a Kawhi deal. We can have the best of both worlds.. turn FRP into a player who can help now, while still maintaining our assets for a future superstar deal if the opportunity arises.
Having said that, my gut says that Masai / Bobby have a safety net basket of C+/B- calibre players that we could go out and get one of right now with a combo of Dragic + Flynn, but NO FRP… however, we also have a basket of B+ / A- calibre players that we would like to get, and would be willing to give a FRP in order to get, but the opposite team is holding out for more than our FRP.
So one of 3 things will happen:
1. Raps hoping opposite team caves and accepts our offer as is, trading us the B+ / A- calibre player for Dragic / Flynn / FRP, or
2. Raps cave and we sweeten the pot further (Add one or two SRPs, maybe a second FRP if the players a true star, it really all depending on how high a calibre of player it is and how badly our front office wants them, or
3. We revert back to our safety net and trade for B- / C+ calibre player without giving up any picks.
Shall be interesting to see what unfolds.
WuTang_OG wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:redeye514 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
From Bobby at start of the year:
WuTang, trading a FRP does not mean you are losing a tradeable asset. If the incoming player is relatively young, on a good contract and still has upside, trading a FRP can still be a part of a “restock the cupboard” strategy. We can still maintain the tradeable assets we need for a potential ‘superstar trade’ down the road.
In fact, Masai has already proven a willingness to do this, check Ross +FRP for Ibaka deal.. we weren’t necessarily a true title contender when that pick was dealt.. nor did it kill our asset base in order to do a Kawhi deal. We can have the best of both worlds.. turn FRP into a player who can help now, while still maintaining our assets for a future superstar deal if the opportunity arises.
Having said that, my gut says that Masai / Bobby have a safety net basket of C+/B- calibre players that we could go out and get one of right now with a combo of Dragic + Flynn, but NO FRP… however, we also have a basket of B+ / A- calibre players that we would like to get, and would be willing to give a FRP in order to get, but the opposite team is holding out for more than our FRP.
So one of 3 things will happen:
1. Raps hoping opposite team caves and accepts our offer as is, trading us the B+ / A- calibre player for Dragic / Flynn / FRP, or
2. Raps cave and we sweeten the pot further (Add one or two SRPs, maybe a second FRP if the players a true star, it really all depending on how high a calibre of player it is and how badly our front office wants them, or
3. We revert back to our safety net and trade for B- / C+ calibre player without giving up any picks.
Shall be interesting to see what unfolds.
The easiest and most intelligent way to restock right now is through the draft. Buys us 4 years on a cheap deal and can add to the core. The ibaka deal was a major need. Highly unlilely we move our Frp This year as iv already stated. We dont have a hole like that back then thus why we wont waste it on guys like Turner.
mtcan wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
Adding 29 year Chris Boucher is NOT a rebuilding move. lol
Madhouse wrote:mtcan wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
Adding 29 year Chris Boucher is NOT a rebuilding move. lol
But getting a first round pick is.
mtcan wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:redeye514 wrote:
WuTang, trading a FRP does not mean you are losing a tradeable asset. If the incoming player is relatively young, on a good contract and still has upside, trading a FRP can still be a part of a “restock the cupboard” strategy. We can still maintain the tradeable assets we need for a potential ‘superstar trade’ down the road.
In fact, Masai has already proven a willingness to do this, check Ross +FRP for Ibaka deal.. we weren’t necessarily a true title contender when that pick was dealt.. nor did it kill our asset base in order to do a Kawhi deal. We can have the best of both worlds.. turn FRP into a player who can help now, while still maintaining our assets for a future superstar deal if the opportunity arises.
Having said that, my gut says that Masai / Bobby have a safety net basket of C+/B- calibre players that we could go out and get one of right now with a combo of Dragic + Flynn, but NO FRP… however, we also have a basket of B+ / A- calibre players that we would like to get, and would be willing to give a FRP in order to get, but the opposite team is holding out for more than our FRP.
So one of 3 things will happen:
1. Raps hoping opposite team caves and accepts our offer as is, trading us the B+ / A- calibre player for Dragic / Flynn / FRP, or
2. Raps cave and we sweeten the pot further (Add one or two SRPs, maybe a second FRP if the players a true star, it really all depending on how high a calibre of player it is and how badly our front office wants them, or
3. We revert back to our safety net and trade for B- / C+ calibre player without giving up any picks.
Shall be interesting to see what unfolds.
The easiest and most intelligent way to restock right now is through the draft. Buys us 4 years on a cheap deal and can add to the core. The ibaka deal was a major need. Highly unlikely we move our Frp This year as iv already stated. We dont have a hole like that back then thus why we wont waste it on guys like Turner.
This team isn't 1 move away from Finals run. This win streak has been fun but we are basically fighting to get out of the play-in tournament. We all hope the winning continues but a few losses and we are either in the play in or a late lottery team. The margins are razor thin.
If this team started the season better and are top 4 in the East instead of bottom 4...I'd be wanting an "all-in" type of move...but this isn't the case.
This roster is very much in flux and I don't expect any one deadline trade to fix that.
Building through the draft still makes sense at this moment.
WuTang_OG wrote:mtcan wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
The easiest and most intelligent way to restock right now is through the draft. Buys us 4 years on a cheap deal and can add to the core. The ibaka deal was a major need. Highly unlikely we move our Frp This year as iv already stated. We dont have a hole like that back then thus why we wont waste it on guys like Turner.
This team isn't 1 move away from Finals run. This win streak has been fun but we are basically fighting to get out of the play-in tournament. We all hope the winning continues but a few losses and we are either in the play in or a late lottery team. The margins are razor thin.
If this team started the season better and are top 4 in the East instead of bottom 4...I'd be wanting an "all-in" type of move...but this isn't the case.
This roster is very much in flux and I don't expect any one deadline trade to fix that.
Building through the draft still makes sense at this moment.
And the only sure thing right now is Scottie when it comes to that next wave of young guys. Precious, Banton are still growing and relatively unknowns right now. We still need to add through the draft. If we can get Poeltl or Turner without giving up a first and just Malachi/Dragic, that'd be ideal, but doubt SA/Indy goes for it... I would be shocked if each of those guys dont get multiple picks... there's going to be a lot of buyers this year with so many teams in contention, dont think people realize that. We are not at that stage to give up high draft capital.
