Should Fred Van Vleet be an all-star?

[CobraCommander]

Ok, what about Tatum "screams" star?

Everything. He was a 5 star recruit, has a bigger shoe deal, is on more commercials, people on TV actually talk about him. Fred is like a cute contrarian hipster pick.

The Raptors mascot Has a bigger shoe deal, more commercials, is on TV much than Tatum, and he looks exactly like Fred.

Just saying and BTW FVVs shoe deal is bigger than Tatum's

[CobraCommander]

Most posters feel the same way about you in this thread.

God damn

I’m dead right now...you cold blooded as hell

[Plain Old Josh]

At this point he's a lock. This thread should be closed.

Pretty much.

22 PPG, 5 RPG, 6.7 APG, and 1.6 SPG on 44/41/89 shooting splits. Advanced stats are very good as well. 2.4 VORP, +5.4 BPM, 4.5 Win Shares, and a 20.7 PER. He's also the #1 catch-and-shoot 3-point shooter in the NBA.

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[DroseReturnChi]

What is your definition of star power? Under achieving? Empty stats? Never improving (Tatum)? Not a team player? Only going far in the playoff when you have two other stars?

Everything about Tatum screams star. Put him in a room with a group of celebs and everyone knows Tatum. Put Fred in there and they are asking who let him in.

Ok, what about Tatum "screams" star?

you can hate tatum as much as i do, but at the end of day tatum is a star and fvv is not.
fvv would be lucky to make 1 all star in his career whereas tatum is the typical american superstar that is overhyped that will get 10x the votes in a popularity contest. look i like fred than tatum and lavine who are chuckers but theres also called talent level and its clear the latter are much superior they were born to dominate whereas fvv is closer to a avg ymca guy.

if all star was in toronto, fvv would get in but its held in cleveland and most of their starters and famous jumbo lineup must get in place of fvv and pascal. you can claim thats unfair but snubs happen every yr. add to fact that brown, beal, ball are locks every single yr theres simply no room for the underdog.

[lobosloboslobos]

look i like fred than tatum and lavine who are chuckers but theres also called talent level and its clear the latter are much superior they were born to dominate whereas fvv is closer to a avg ymca guy.

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[Duffman100]

There seems to now be a two different arguments happening.

Does Fred’s play warrant him being an all star ?

Is Fred marketable enough to be an all star?

Let’s just make sure we understand which argument you’re arguing.

(And lol at YMCA. What does that even mean? Is Chris Paul a ymca guy?)

[Slade3]

Everything about Tatum screams star. Put him in a room with a group of celebs and everyone knows Tatum. Put Fred in there and they are asking who let him in.

Ok, what about Tatum "screams" star?

you can hate tatum as much as i do, but at the end of day tatum is a star and fvv is not.
fvv would be lucky to make 1 all star in his career whereas tatum is the typical american superstar that is overhyped that will get 10x the votes in a popularity contest. look i like fred than tatum and lavine who are chuckers but theres also called talent level and its clear the latter are much superior they were born to dominate whereas fvv is closer to a avg ymca guy.

if all star was in toronto, fvv would get in but its held in cleveland and most of their starters and famous jumbo lineup must get in place of fvv and pascal. you can claim thats unfair but snubs happen every yr. add to fact that brown, beal, ball are locks every single yr theres simply no room for the underdog.

You quoted me but didn't really answer the question. Every body keeps saying Tatum is a "star" without supporting any evidence. In terms of numbers and impact, are they above FFV's? I agree with you in terms of popularity because Tatum is a flashier player but you know what I mean.

[VanWest82]

Derozan being voted in as a guard is an underrated subplot. It's possible Fred continues his unreal hot streak and still doesn't get picked. It was already going to be tight.

[Big J]

Ok, what about Tatum "screams" star?

you can hate tatum as much as i do, but at the end of day tatum is a star and fvv is not.
fvv would be lucky to make 1 all star in his career whereas tatum is the typical american superstar that is overhyped that will get 10x the votes in a popularity contest. look i like fred than tatum and lavine who are chuckers but theres also called talent level and its clear the latter are much superior they were born to dominate whereas fvv is closer to a avg ymca guy.

if all star was in toronto, fvv would get in but its held in cleveland and most of their starters and famous jumbo lineup must get in place of fvv and pascal. you can claim thats unfair but snubs happen every yr. add to fact that brown, beal, ball are locks every single yr theres simply no room for the underdog.

You quoted me but didn't really answer the question. Every body keeps saying Tatum is a "star" without supporting any evidence. In terms of numbers and impact, are they above FFV's? I agree with you in terms of popularity because Tatum is a flashier player but you know what I mean.

All Star games have always been about star power and flashiness. People want to watch guys they recognize doing things they can't do themselves.

[phanman]

At this point he's a lock. This thread should be closed.

Pretty much.

22 PPG, 5 RPG, 6.7 APG, and 1.6 SPG on 44/41/89 shooting splits. Advanced stats are very good as well. 2.4 VORP, +5.4 BPM, 4.5 Win Shares, and a 20.7 PER. He's also the #1 catch-and-shoot 3-point shooter in the NBA.

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That's pretty damn amazing considering, we really have no other backup PGs and he get his looks off Barnes/Pascal's playmaking.

you can hate tatum as much as i do, but at the end of day tatum is a star and fvv is not.
fvv would be lucky to make 1 all star in his career whereas tatum is the typical american superstar that is overhyped that will get 10x the votes in a popularity contest. look i like fred than tatum and lavine who are chuckers but theres also called talent level and its clear the latter are much superior they were born to dominate whereas fvv is closer to a avg ymca guy.

if all star was in toronto, fvv would get in but its held in cleveland and most of their starters and famous jumbo lineup must get in place of fvv and pascal. you can claim thats unfair but snubs happen every yr. add to fact that brown, beal, ball are locks every single yr theres simply no room for the underdog.

You quoted me but didn't really answer the question. Every body keeps saying Tatum is a "star" without supporting any evidence. In terms of numbers and impact, are they above FFV's? I agree with you in terms of popularity because Tatum is a flashier player but you know what I mean.

All Star games have always been about star power and flashiness. People want to watch guys they recognize doing things they can't do themselves.

You guys do realize that coaches vote the reserves right? Where the game is held has no barring on who gets in as a reserve and coaches don't give a damn about star power or flashiness. It's the one part of the entire event/process that the league has got right.

[Feed Your Head]

FVV absolutely deserves to be an all star, a no brainer IMO. Him and Tatum won’t really impact eachother making it though. Also, Tatum’s advanced stats are elite this year even with the poor shooting.

[gpoon]

Everything about Tatum screams star. Put him in a room with a group of celebs and everyone knows Tatum. Put Fred in there and they are asking who let him in.

Ok, what about Tatum "screams" star?

you can hate tatum as much as i do, but at the end of day tatum is a star and fvv is not.
fvv would be lucky to make 1 all star in his career whereas tatum is the typical american superstar that is overhyped that will get 10x the votes in a popularity contest. look i like fred than tatum and lavine who are chuckers but theres also called talent level and its clear the latter are much superior they were born to dominate whereas fvv is closer to a avg ymca guy.

if all star was in toronto, fvv would get in but its held in cleveland and most of their starters and famous jumbo lineup must get in place of fvv and pascal. you can claim thats unfair but snubs happen every yr. add to fact that brown, beal, ball are locks every single yr theres simply no room for the underdog.

You are right there are snubs every year Brown, Beal and Ball didn't make it :/ I know what you mean Tatum being the typical American star, but I'm glad the coaches are the ones picking the reserves.