James Wiseman 2021/2022

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

We should try to develop Wiseman into a future Hall of Famer.

Just messing, but can you imaging Kerr talking to his coaching staff when they took over and saying "We should try to develop Curry into a moderately successful fringe NBA player". Why wouldn't the coaches try to get the maximum out of every player they are coaching? And the Hall of Fame doesn't seem like a target one coaches to, rather that a players skills should be expanded to maximize their physical talent.

When the year began I was willing to trade future for one last chamionsip now. Things changed. I got greedy. Now I want to win the next 4 championships. Now I see the young guys as the core of a championship team 4 years from now withe the old guys being their supporting cast. But for that to happen Wiseman must become a star.

I would have traded Wiseman and Wiggins for a good center. Now I am unwilling to trade Wiggins. Any proven good player requires Wiggins salary for Salary matching. Wiseman has less trade value now than he had last summer. Last summer the risk to teams trading for Wiseman was just low basketball IQ but know Wiseman may be damaged goods with a knee that will always be a problem.

So I say roll the dice on Wiseman. If we win the gamble we get a dynasty. If we lose the gamble we may get no championships.

We might be good enough to win without Wiseman. But unless the Warriors front office is hiding good news about Wiseman we should go out and get insurance. Looney isn't known for staying healthy. Cut Chiozza and get a two way contract center so we we can try to Win a championship with Bjelica as our center and a G-League guy as the back up center.

[cdubbz]

We should try to develop Wiseman into a future Hall of Famer.

Just messing, but can you imaging Kerr talking to his coaching staff when they took over and saying "We should try to develop Curry into a moderately successful fringe NBA player". Why wouldn't the coaches try to get the maximum out of every player they are coaching? And the Hall of Fame doesn't seem like a target one coaches to, rather that a players skills should be expanded to maximize their physical talent.

When the year began I was willing to trade future for one last chamionsip now. Things changed. I got

I would trade 'future' for one championship. As GM if I could increase my chances of an NBA title this year I would if the cost is a 20yo big man who could turn into the next Giannis or the next Anthony Bennet.

Look at Clippers dominance over the Lakers head to head matchups. But Lakers have the one ring in the past 10 years.

[GSWFan1994]

We should try to develop Wiseman into a future Hall of Famer.

Great idea!

[cdubbz]

I've been down on Wiseman, I've been high on Wiseman. the fact he hasn't returned yerakes me down on him again. mainly looking at his immediate impact.

WHERE IS MILEY?! She promised he was the one!!

[Scoots1994]

We should try to develop Wiseman into a future Hall of Famer.

Just messing, but can you imaging Kerr talking to his coaching staff when they took over and saying "We should try to develop Curry into a moderately successful fringe NBA player". Why wouldn't the coaches try to get the maximum out of every player they are coaching? And the Hall of Fame doesn't seem like a target one coaches to, rather that a players skills should be expanded to maximize their physical talent.

When the year began I was willing to trade future for one last chamionsip now. Things changed. I got greedy. Now I want to win the next 4 championships. Now I see the young guys as the core of a championship team 4 years from now withe the old guys being their supporting cast. But for that to happen Wiseman must become a star.

I would have traded Wiseman and Wiggins for a good center. Now I am unwilling to trade Wiggins. Any proven good player requires Wiggins salary for Salary matching. Wiseman has less trade value now than he had last summer. Last summer the risk to teams trading for Wiseman was just low basketball IQ but know Wiseman may be damaged goods with a knee that will always be a problem.

So I say roll the dice on Wiseman. If we win the gamble we get a dynasty. If we lose the gamble we may get no championships.

We might be good enough to win without Wiseman. But unless the Warriors front office is hiding good news about Wiseman we should go out and get insurance. Looney isn't known for staying healthy. Cut Chiozza and get a two way contract center so we we can try to Win a championship with Bjelica as our center and a G-League guy as the back up center.

Oh yeah, I want them to develop their young guys too, I just thought the idea of trying to make a player into a hall of famer was funny.

I doubt there are any game changing bigs available for a 2-way deal right now (Fall included). Cheese does nothing for me so I have no issue taking a swing with the slot though.

Originally 2-way players were ineligible for the playoffs, I know they changed that in the bubble ... did they keep that rule that way?

[Scoots1994]

Just messing, but can you imaging Kerr talking to his coaching staff when they took over and saying "We should try to develop Curry into a moderately successful fringe NBA player". Why wouldn't the coaches try to get the maximum out of every player they are coaching? And the Hall of Fame doesn't seem like a target one coaches to, rather that a players skills should be expanded to maximize their physical talent.

When the year began I was willing to trade future for one last chamionsip now. Things changed. I got

I would trade 'future' for one championship. As GM if I could increase my chances of an NBA title this year I would if the cost is a 20yo big man who could turn into the next Giannis or the next Anthony Bennet.

Look at Clippers dominance over the Lakers head to head matchups. But Lakers have the one ring in the past 10 years.

My issue with the future-for-title idea is that there are no guarantees. Like say the Warriors trade Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman and get AD back, then none of the old guys can stay healthy through the playoffs and they never win while those 4 go on to multiple all-star appearances between them. Nothing is certain and I'd rather have the team try to be as good as they can be each year while also trying to be good 2, 3, 4 years in the future. Curry, Klay, and Green's legacies are safe already.

That Lakers ring was bubble luck.

[xdrta+]

Just messing, but can you imaging Kerr talking to his coaching staff when they took over and saying "We should try to develop Curry into a moderately successful fringe NBA player". Why wouldn't the coaches try to get the maximum out of every player they are coaching? And the Hall of Fame doesn't seem like a target one coaches to, rather that a players skills should be expanded to maximize their physical talent.

When the year began I was willing to trade future for one last chamionsip now. Things changed. I got greedy. Now I want to win the next 4 championships. Now I see the young guys as the core of a championship team 4 years from now withe the old guys being their supporting cast. But for that to happen Wiseman must become a star.

I would have traded Wiseman and Wiggins for a good center. Now I am unwilling to trade Wiggins. Any proven good player requires Wiggins salary for Salary matching. Wiseman has less trade value now than he had last summer. Last summer the risk to teams trading for Wiseman was just low basketball IQ but know Wiseman may be damaged goods with a knee that will always be a problem.

So I say roll the dice on Wiseman. If we win the gamble we get a dynasty. If we lose the gamble we may get no championships.

We might be good enough to win without Wiseman. But unless the Warriors front office is hiding good news about Wiseman we should go out and get insurance. Looney isn't known for staying healthy. Cut Chiozza and get a two way contract center so we we can try to Win a championship with Bjelica as our center and a G-League guy as the back up center.

Oh yeah, I want them to develop their young guys too, I just thought the idea of trying to make a player into a hall of famer was funny.

I doubt there are any game changing bigs available for a 2-way deal right now (Fall included). Cheese does nothing for me so I have no issue taking a swing with the slot though.

Originally 2-way players were ineligible for the playoffs, I know they changed that in the bubble ... did they keep that rule that way?

No, that was changed back. Two-ways are not eligible for the playoffs, they have to be converted to standard NBA contracts to play in the playoffs.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

What do you think of Wiseman and draft pucks for Mo Bamba. Salary works. They say Bamba does not always show up ready to make an effort but playing for the Warriors could change that. Bamba is only 23 years old. So Bamba can take care of the present and the future. The feeling is that Bamba wants to get paid and wants to win so he is leaving Orlando regardless this summer. The Magic probably should trade him now.

But Bamba is finishing his rookie contract. He is a restricted free agent. I don't know how Bird rights work. Bamba can get paid some serius money this summer. We already pay Luxury tax. Just how much are Lacob and his partners willing to spend?

[Scoots1994]

Oh yeah, I want them to develop their young guys too, I just thought the idea of trying to make a player into a hall of famer was funny.

I doubt there are any game changing bigs available for a 2-way deal right now (Fall included). Cheese does nothing for me so I have no issue taking a swing with the slot though.

Originally 2-way players were ineligible for the playoffs, I know they changed that in the bubble ... did they keep that rule that way?

No, that was changed back. Two-ways are not eligible for the playoffs, they have to be converted to standard NBA contracts to play in the playoffs.

Thanks for the confirmation. That's what I thought.

At this point I don't think there are any players out there that make a difference this year on a 2 way deal.

So we get back to the same old question. Which of the 15 players on the roster get cut to "fix" the big man issue?

[Scoots1994]

No, that was changed back. Two-ways are not eligible for the playoffs, they have to be converted to standard NBA contracts to play in the playoffs.

A question for the capologist ...

I know the 2-way limitations have changed a few times since it was created ... I have a question.

If a player on a 2-way deal comes close to the limits and then that player is cut and replaced does the new player on the 2-way deal get a reset on those limits or do they start where the old player was?

[Scoots1994]

What do you think of Wiseman and draft pucks for Mo Bamba. Salary works. They say Bamba does not always show up ready to make an effort but playing for the Warriors could change that. Bamba is only 23 years old. So Bamba can take care of the present and the future. The feeling is that Bamba wants to get paid and wants to win so he is leaving Orlando regardless this summer. The Magic probably should trade him now.

But Bamba is finishing his rookie contract. He is a restricted free agent. I don't know how Bird rights work. Bamba can get paid some serius money this summer. We already pay Luxury tax. Just how much are Lacob and his partners willing to spend?

Nothing really new to say here ... it comes down to what the people with the team think of Wiseman. Certainly Bamba would be considerably more expensive, and (based on projection) a far less talented player. Seems unlikely.

Now if Wiseman never makes it back on the court this season all bets are off this off-season.

[xdrta+]

No, that was changed back. Two-ways are not eligible for the playoffs, they have to be converted to standard NBA contracts to play in the playoffs.

A question for the capologist ...

I know the 2-way limitations have changed a few times since it was created ... I have a question.

If a player on a 2-way deal comes close to the limits and then that player is cut and replaced does the new player on the 2-way deal get a reset on those limits or do they start where the old player was?

I believe the clock resets for a new player just as it has in the past. Two-ways can play in 50 games this season, with no limit on practices, etc., and since Chiozza has only played in 26 games it wouldn't be an issue anyway.

[Scoots1994]

No, that was changed back. Two-ways are not eligible for the playoffs, they have to be converted to standard NBA contracts to play in the playoffs.

A question for the capologist ...

I know the 2-way limitations have changed a few times since it was created ... I have a question.

If a player on a 2-way deal comes close to the limits and then that player is cut and replaced does the new player on the 2-way deal get a reset on those limits or do they start where the old player was?

I believe the clock resets for a new player just as it has in the past. Two-ways can play in 50 games this season, with no limit on practices, etc., and since Chiozza has only played in 26 games it wouldn't be an issue anyway.

Thanks, I thought so too. Seems like a loophole for bad teams to churn through end of the roster players looking for a gem.

[and1GS]

If we trade Wiseman and picks for Mo **** Bamba I am throwing my stapler through a window.

[shazam_guy]

My issue with the future-for-title idea is that there are no guarantees. Like say the Warriors trade Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman and get AD back, then none of the old guys can stay healthy through the playoffs and they never win while those 4 go on to multiple all-star appearances between them. Nothing is certain and I'd rather have the team try to be as good as they can be each year while also trying to be good 2, 3, 4 years in the future. Curry, Klay, and Green's legacies are safe already.

My feelings exactly. You roll the dice on a single season when you're desperate for a title and see your only chance. We have won several in the past decade, and have a lineup jammed with All-Stars, plus a bunch of good young players. No way this is an all-or-nothing year.

[donkeylips]

i believe they removed the maximum amount of games a two way player can play this season

[xdrta+]

i believe they removed the maximum amount of games a two way player can play this season

Source? It was removed last season, but so far as I can tell the limit is 50 games this season.

[and1GS]

My issue with the future-for-title idea is that there are no guarantees. Like say the Warriors trade Poole, Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman and get AD back, then none of the old guys can stay healthy through the playoffs and they never win while those 4 go on to multiple all-star appearances between them. Nothing is certain and I'd rather have the team try to be as good as they can be each year while also trying to be good 2, 3, 4 years in the future. Curry, Klay, and Green's legacies are safe already.

My feelings exactly. You roll the dice on a single season when you're desperate for a title and see your only chance. We have won several in the past decade, and have a lineup jammed with All-Stars, plus a bunch of good young players. No way this is an all-or-nothing year.

If anything the current Nets, Clippers and Lakers (especially the former two) are major cautionary titles on why '**** the future, win now trumps all' is so incredibly dangerous. The Nets dumped Jarrett Allen to squeak just over the asking price in a Harden trade - and Allen really should have been an all star this year. Kawhi and Paul are out for the year with LAC at the 8 seed and don't have a pick through 2026. Not horrible...but if you whiff on a FA signing as they did with Ibaka, you're screwed.

I think people underrate how risky win now trades actually are. It's like drafting a win now player while refusing to acknowledge that young guys even need to acclimate, even if you feel they're NBA ready.

[donkeylips]

i believe they removed the maximum amount of games a two way player can play this season

Source? It was removed last season, but so far as I can tell the limit is 50 games this season.

https://en.as.com/en/2021/12/20/nba/1640038202_792917.html

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it was done because several players were out due to health and safety protocols.

[xdrta+]

OK, thanks. That's the only place I see it.