Sean Marks Asleep at the Wheel...

[Prokorov]

I know that we lack assets, but you cant have a team decimated by injuries, in an 8-game losing streak free fall, a coach who after every loss basically just says "what do you want from me were injured and have no shooting" and not make a move. Again, we are low on assets but i mean:

-Forbes got dealt for peanuts,,.. by the spurs!
-Covington dealt for peanuts... basically to take on Powell, who also went for like nothing... a salary dump
-Levert traded for a late second. i dont love levert, but again a competant player who went for nothing

Make a move. like honestly at this point make a move just to break up the funk this team is in. Use the small TPE and bring in a salary dump like DJ Augustin. Christ anything.

Look im not going to get on Him for Harden/Kyrie/KD. those are stars, its hard and you live and die with how they pan out.

But your coaching just lost 8 in a row and is basically saying there is nothing he can do. you dont hold him **** ane he has stunk for 2 straight years now.

Your roster is decanted. James Johnson is a feature player. do something you baffoon!

I get that when healthy the big 3 is near unbeatable, but you need to get this team to the finish line in the regular season or else none of that matters.

[ecuhus1981]

Forbes was very gettable, though you could argue that Denver paid a higher price than we would have been willing to pay. Bol may have dubious value given his injury situation, but Dozier is a legit intriguing big PG/SF. To match our beat that offer, a 2nd and cash, we would have needed to give Claxton or one of the rookies. Too rich for my blood, Bryn is not THAT big of an answer for us.

For Covington, Powell or Levert (who you hate, btw!), we would have needed to include Joe. I'm not sure any of them are worth him. Even if you just view this season, I'd bet on Harris returning at least in time for the postseason.

I'm with you, we need a roster shakeup. Honestly, I would love to see us move Cam and Day'Ron as sweetener. They may not fetch much, and they might blossom into more later, but they huge minuses in terms of winning right now. Johnson and Carter have been awful, Millsap doesn't want to be here, but those guys could be useful if they weren't constantly playing next to youngsters blowing defensive assignments.

Marks is asleep at the wheel for two reasons: not firing Nash, and not trading Kyrie. I no longer care whether this alienates Durant. If Sean gets a new coach and a team full of full participants, his GM reputation would be fine.

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

My question is, why does Joe Tsai seem unperturbed as he watches the team fall apart at the seams? Has he even bothered to call Marks to ask what's going on with the team? Has Marks been weaving this tale for Tsai about how he'll pull a blockbuster move on the 11th hour that will catch everyone with their pants down their ankles?

[GYK]

I mean he’s always been overrated.
Getting over .500 once is why everyone GOAT’d him and that team had no upside. Besides Allen no players have improved. Multiple regressed and half the roster is out the league.
If you feel Nash is bad coach well idk many GM’s who hired a bad coach then later hired a good one.
More importantly he was gifted the Big3 and put crap around them. Denver is out two stars and they are fine. Nikola might be the MVP but there’s no lack of quality role players in their lineup. Length and spacing never was compromised with their stars going down.
Marks seems to be letting stars take the blame but even when Harden and Durant were together we couldn’t beat good teams, we couldn’t rebound nor defend the paint nor stars and we all saw the spacing was terrible. The star drama is just distracting fans/media from the worst support cast in the league.
The dynasty anticipation of the 3 is what his reputation relies on and he didn’t do the necessary things to get them there.

He can. It’s simple. Get them some wings and garbage man bigs. If you use the TPE’s we’re even better. But you can’t keep this roster around them. Harden and the right support cast would have kept us afloat. It kept us in 1st last season and they weren’t even defenders nor rebounding(why I stress wings. 3/4 guard lineups give up as much they take. At least wings can use their size/athleticism and hang rebound).

Marks roster construction is the biggest issue and his seemingly reluctance to remedy his own mistake is what’s killing us. We bring in 2/3 wings and a starting caliber center everything is fine. We go on a run. We get healthy. We win.

[ecuhus1981]

My question is, why does Joe Tsai seem unperturbed as he watches the team fall apart at the seams? Has he even bothered to call Marks to ask what's going on with the team? Has Marks been weaving this tale for Tsai about how he'll pull a blockbuster move on the 11th hour that will catch everyone with their pants down their ankles?

Good question.

My educated guess as to why no has stepped in to resolve this, is that everyone within this organization has been fighting for power and influence, while trying to remain as calm and seemingly united as possible on the surface. Changing course would involve admitting fault. So the divisive cover-up continues.

Then Abbamondi suddenly left. Whenever someone that high up the food chain leaves unexpectedly, you have to wonder whether we're on a sinking ship. At this point, with so many leaks and losses surrounding this team, our organization looks like this:

[GTR11]

Last thing you should do is question Marks. I haven't seen Spurs drafting/trading for prospect worth damn.

Sean Marks is still top 5 GM right now easy. If he ain't making move, than there's have to be a good reason for that.


Also, thinking Tsai will/is putting pressure on Marks is beyond laughable.

[MrDollarBills]

Sean Marks should be fired for hiring Steve Nash.

[TheNetsFan]

I know that we lack assets, but you cant have a team decimated by injuries, in an 8-game losing streak free fall, a coach who after every loss basically just says "what do you want from me were injured and have no shooting" and not make a move. Again, we are low on assets but i mean:

-Forbes got dealt for peanuts,,.. by the spurs!
-Covington dealt for peanuts... basically to take on Powell, who also went for like nothing... a salary dump
-Levert traded for a late second. i dont love levert, but again a competant player who went for nothing

Make a move. like honestly at this point make a move just to break up the funk this team is in. Use the small TPE and bring in a salary dump like DJ Augustin. Christ anything.

Look im not going to get on Him for Harden/Kyrie/KD. those are stars, its hard and you live and die with how they pan out.

But your coaching just lost 8 in a row and is basically saying there is nothing he can do. you dont hold him **** ane he has stunk for 2 straight years now.

Your roster is decanted. James Johnson is a feature player. do something you baffoon!

I get that when healthy the big 3 is near unbeatable, but you need to get this team to the finish line in the regular season or else none of that matters.

LeVert got traded for a single large expiring 2022 lottery protected Cleveland pick(definitely conveying) and Houston's 2022 second rounder which is guaranteed to be very high. They also swapped a Utah 27 2nd for a Miami 22 2nd. We have very different definitions of nothing.

[MGrand15]

I think the fact that Marks hasn't even tried to fix the roster around the edges is inexcusable. It doesn't even have to be someone like Forbes or Covington. It doesn't even have to be a trade. There are 1000% guys in the G League or the free agent pool that are better fits than James Johnson. One guy isn't going to completely turn us around but just eliminating straight garbage lineups would help A LOT.

It's kind of an underrated part of team building but it was something that Marks was really good at before. It's why we always overachieved. Getting rid of negative players and turning them into neutral / average players is a huge boost. Playing someone like Johnson makes it easier to gameplan for us. Playing him together with Brown and Claxton or Sharpe makes it literally impossible to run offensive sets. If you're not an elite defensive team, you're going to be in big trouble. We've been one of the worst defenses in the league recently.

[TheNetsFan]

I think the fact that Marks hasn't even tried to fix the roster around the edges is inexcusable. It doesn't even have to be someone like Forbes or Covington. It doesn't even have to be a trade. There are 1000% guys in the G League or the free agent pool that are better fits than James Johnson. One guy isn't going to completely turn us around but just eliminating straight garbage lineups would help A LOT.

It's kind of an underrated part of team building but it was something that Marks was really good at before. It's why we always overachieved. Getting rid of negative players and turning them into neutral / average players is a huge boost. Playing someone like Johnson makes it easier to gameplan for us. Playing him together with Brown and Claxton or Sharpe makes it literally impossible to run offensive sets. If you're not an elite defensive team, you're going to be in big trouble. We've been one of the worst defenses in the league recently.

Those types of moves happen after the trade deadline and buyout season. No need to keep adding to the tax bill for someone you may need to cut in favor of somebody that gets bought out or to accommodate a trade.

[Prokorov]

I think the fact that Marks hasn't even tried to fix the roster around the edges is inexcusable. It doesn't even have to be someone like Forbes or Covington. It doesn't even have to be a trade. There are 1000% guys in the G League or the free agent pool that are better fits than James Johnson. One guy isn't going to completely turn us around but just eliminating straight garbage lineups would help A LOT.

It's kind of an underrated part of team building but it was something that Marks was really good at before. It's why we always overachieved. Getting rid of negative players and turning them into neutral / average players is a huge boost. Playing someone like Johnson makes it easier to gameplan for us. Playing him together with Brown and Claxton or Sharpe makes it literally impossible to run offensive sets. If you're not an elite defensive team, you're going to be in big trouble. We've been one of the worst defenses in the league recently.

Yeah i mean maybe it doesnt work but Isiaah Thomas, Lance Stephenson, House... i mean whats the worst that could happen? its even more of head scratch when you factor in the NBA waived taxes/salary penalities for 10-day deals due to Covid.

[Prokorov]

I think the fact that Marks hasn't even tried to fix the roster around the edges is inexcusable. It doesn't even have to be someone like Forbes or Covington. It doesn't even have to be a trade. There are 1000% guys in the G League or the free agent pool that are better fits than James Johnson. One guy isn't going to completely turn us around but just eliminating straight garbage lineups would help A LOT.

It's kind of an underrated part of team building but it was something that Marks was really good at before. It's why we always overachieved. Getting rid of negative players and turning them into neutral / average players is a huge boost. Playing someone like Johnson makes it easier to gameplan for us. Playing him together with Brown and Claxton or Sharpe makes it literally impossible to run offensive sets. If you're not an elite defensive team, you're going to be in big trouble. We've been one of the worst defenses in the league recently.

Those types of moves happen after the trade deadline and buyout season. No need to keep adding to the tax bill for someone you may need to cut in favor of somebody that gets bought out or to accommodate a trade.

there is currently not tax on 1-day deals.

[MrDollarBills]

I wouldn't mind a 3 team deal between us, Philly, and Indiana:

Nets receive: Sabonis, Thybulle, Green, TJ Warren's expiring contract

Philly Receives: Harden

Pacers receive: Simmons, Claxton


or a smaller deal with Atlanta:

Nets receive: John Collins, Thybulle, Knox (who will be waived)

Philly Receives Harden

Hawks receive Simmons

[Prokorov]

I wouldn't mind a 3 team deal between us, Philly, and Indiana:

Nets receive: Sabonis, Thybulle, Green, TJ Warren's expiring contract

Philly Receives: Harden

Pacers receive: Simmons, Claxton


or a smaller deal with Atlanta:

Nets receive: John Collins, Thybulle, Knox (who will be waived)

Philly Receives Harden

Hawks receive Simmons

The second deal is palatable if we also get some picks. The first deal is a non-starter. Simmons holds alot more value then Sabonis. Id keep simmons and send thybule/green/picks to indy for sabonis maybe though so we would get simmons and sabonis.

even with simmons current status:

Simmons > Collins >>> Sabonis

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't think Marks had the assets. None of those players were dealt for "nothing" as you claim.

Forbes for Dozier and Bol who are nice young players with value. I mean who did you want us to give up? I'd rather keep Edwards/Cam.

Covington and Powell were dealt for salary relief. I mean we don't really have the contracts to make that work. What could we have dealt?

Levert was traded for a first. Something we don't have.

Nets have no assets to make trades right now. Better to wait for the buyout marks.

Marks mistake is not firing Nash. Thats really it. Its ruining this team.

[Prokorov]

I don't think Marks had the assets. None of those players were dealt for "nothing" as you claim.

Forbes for Dozier and Bol who are nice young players with value. I mean who did you want us to give up? I'd rather keep Edwards/Cam.

I'd have given up cam in a second. or a pair of firsts. Bol Bol had a broken foot and was a disappoint for a guy who already dropped. Also, spurs and marks are connected. he should have been in on that

We have the TPE. we could have absorbed covington into the larger one i believe and sent back rookies

Nets have no assets to make trades right now. Better to wait for the buyout marks.

Marks mistake is not firing Nash. Thats really it. Its ruining this team.

There are moves to make. Augustin, Ross, McLemore, Harris, Muscala...

some of those guys could probably be had for just a TPE/may be bought out. their team may even give us a pick/asset to take them for the TPE so they are off the hook for the enitre salary.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't think Marks had the assets. None of those players were dealt for "nothing" as you claim.

Forbes for Dozier and Bol who are nice young players with value. I mean who did you want us to give up? I'd rather keep Edwards/Cam.

I'd have given up cam in a second. or a pair of firsts. Bol Bol had a broken foot and was a disappoint for a guy who already dropped. Also, spurs and marks are connected. he should have been in on that

We have the TPE. we could have absorbed covington into the larger one i believe and sent back rookies

Nets have no assets to make trades right now. Better to wait for the buyout marks.

Marks mistake is not firing Nash. Thats really it. Its ruining this team.

There are moves to make. Augustin, Ross, McLemore, Harris, Muscala...

some of those guys could probably be had for just a TPE/may be bought out. their team may even give us a pick/asset to take them for the TPE so they are off the hook for the enitre salary.

I don't want to give up Cam at all.

Forbes does not really change the outlook for this team. And I think he can be more valuable.

Covington idk how it would work. If we really could have done it then we should have.

[Prokorov]

I don't want to give up Cam at all.

Forbes does not really change the outlook for this team. And I think he can be more valuable.

Covington idk how it would work. If we really could have done it then we should have.

I think Cam is a good player especially for where he is drafted and if he can get a three point shot at some point he can have a lou-will type career.

That said, we are win now, he is unlikely to be some multi-time allstar we regret trading, and Forbes is no slouch.

I mean 10 ppg in 20 minutes on 40% from three provides alot of what we are lacking. i means we have no role shooters outside patty at the moment and you see just how good we look offensively when someone other then patty can hit (blake first half last night). It also helps mitigate how awful nash is by giving him shooters around his star.

in any event whether its a trade or a guy off the street, you need at least another competant shooter on the roster (35-37%) so nash even has the option. When kessler or patty sit its just triple teams on harden or kyrie and nash and our staff are too dumb to adjust to that

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't want to give up Cam at all.

Forbes does not really change the outlook for this team. And I think he can be more valuable.

Covington idk how it would work. If we really could have done it then we should have.

I think Cam is a good player especially for where he is drafted and if he can get a three point shot at some point he can have a lou-will type career.

That said, we are win now, he is unlikely to be some multi-time allstar we regret trading, and Forbes is no slouch.

I mean 10 ppg in 20 minutes on 40% from three provides alot of what we are lacking. i means we have no role shooters outside patty at the moment and you see just how good we look offensively when someone other then patty can hit (blake first half last night). It also helps mitigate how awful nash is by giving him shooters around his star.

in any event whether its a trade or a guy off the street, you need at least another competant shooter on the roster (35-37%) so nash even has the option. When kessler or patty sit its just triple teams on harden or kyrie and nash and our staff are too dumb to adjust to that

If Harris is back then Forbes basically becomes useless. So not sure it really makes sense.

I think you can prob find a decent shooter or the buyout market anyway.

[Prokorov]

I don't want to give up Cam at all.

Forbes does not really change the outlook for this team. And I think he can be more valuable.

Covington idk how it would work. If we really could have done it then we should have.

I think Cam is a good player especially for where he is drafted and if he can get a three point shot at some point he can have a lou-will type career.

That said, we are win now, he is unlikely to be some multi-time allstar we regret trading, and Forbes is no slouch.

I mean 10 ppg in 20 minutes on 40% from three provides alot of what we are lacking. i means we have no role shooters outside patty at the moment and you see just how good we look offensively when someone other then patty can hit (blake first half last night). It also helps mitigate how awful nash is by giving him shooters around his star.

in any event whether its a trade or a guy off the street, you need at least another competant shooter on the roster (35-37%) so nash even has the option. When kessler or patty sit its just triple teams on harden or kyrie and nash and our staff are too dumb to adjust to that

If Harris is back then Forbes basically becomes useless. So not sure it really makes sense.

I think you can prob find a decent shooter or the buyout market anyway.

Harris may not be back at all... and even if he is there are tons of games before he comes back. being the 7/8 season and just having to go 1-2 to advance in the play in is one thing. being 9 or 10 and having to win 1 game with Nash as coach is a spot you dont want to be in...

Fobres has utility beyond Harris return. He could replace mills, who will likely be to expensive to bring back next year.

It may be another 10-12 games before buyouts start happening, then we have to be the team that guy chooses. we shouldnt rely on that. we should be trying to steady the ship until KD is back